Woj: Porzingis May Be Available

[Light-Tower-Power]

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN
Been told there have been multiple discussions between Knicks and Celtics involving Porzingis, but source told... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0669610814050670902-4 …

Deal not close.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Is it worth taking on Noah to give up less? (So we dont have to give up #3, Jaylen and the BK pick)

I'm sure one of the mathletes here has it worked out.

 

[BaseballJones]

Now we know...

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-price-porzingis-high-celtics-article-1.3269298
"According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract."

No fucking way.

Edit: beaten

Just for giggles.... if the C's do this deal and then manage to sign Hayward, their roster basically looks like.....

Starters
Thomas
Bradley
Hayward
Horford
Porzingis

Rozier
Smart
Jackson
Yabu
Zizic
Zeller
Mickey

And they'd still have the 2018 LAL pick (hopefully), which could yield them a stud, plus the Celtics' picks etc.

I don't think I'd do that deal, but that starting lineup could be pretty freaking awesome. Replacing Crowder and Amir with Hayward and Porzingis is about as massive an upgrade as you could imagine. The price for that upgrade, however, would be really steep (Brown, #3, Brooklyn 2018 pick). Yikes.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Enjoy the draft. I was hoping to head over, but looks like my wife's gonna be stuck at work late, so I'll be home with the kids and the Twitter.

Ha, well played. This draft has sapped my already limited brain power.

 

[cheech13]

Yeah I think a lot of people are underestimating Porzingis relative to the value of Jaylen and the lotto picks. Jaylen and the lotto picks are exciting, but they are nowhere near as good as Porzingis. That said, you don't want to give up too much volume of your lotto picks/Jaylen if you are the C's either. 2 out of 3 (#3, Jaylen, next year's BKN) with a player like Crowder and maybe another non-lotto first seems like a pretty fair deal. Don't think Phil does that though.

It stems from the wildly divergent opinions on both what Jaylen Brown is and what he is likely to become. Holding down a rotation spot on a contender at 20 is impressive, but by the advanced metrics he was still one of the worst players on the team. He's still all projection and that's going to impact what people see as fair value.

I was listening to some podcast the other day and one host asked if Jaylen would be a top 10 pick this year and the other host started laughing uncontrollably. That's unfair, but I think it's important to know how he might be viewed outside of a Celtic bubble.

 

[boca]

From Ian Begley a Knicks reporter for ESPN -

Sources: BOS offered NYK its No. 3 pick, a player & an additional lottery pick that they think they can acquire tonight in a trade for KP.

 

[djbayko]

Or #3, 2018 LAL/2019 Sac, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis and #8.

That's essentially this year's #1 pick plus Brown and Crowder. Yeah, I'd probably do that, considering the uncertainty of Brown and the draft picks.

 

[DJnVa]

From Ian Begley a Knicks reporter for ESPN -

Sources: BOS offered NYK its No. 3 pick, a player & an additional lottery pick that they think they can acquire tonight in a trade for KP.

And keeps the Nets pick? So, something like #3, Brown, and Bradley for KP? Hmmmm.

 

[RedOctober3829]

And keeps the Nets pick? So, something like #3, Brown, and Bradley for KP? Hmmmm.

I would rather do Crowder as it's more money shed for a max contract. But I understand why the Knicks want Brown.

 

[MillarTime]

And keeps the Nets pick? So, something like #3, Brown, and Bradley for KP? Hmmmm.

I think that's light. Probably have to at least add the LAL/SAC pick.

 

[JCizzle]

From Ian Begley a Knicks reporter for ESPN -

Sources: BOS offered NYK its No. 3 pick, a player & an additional lottery pick that they think they can acquire tonight in a trade for KP.

The most interesting thing to me is the pending lottery pick deal. I wonder what Danny has lined up there.

 

[DJnVa]

Well, I guess the Knicks reply to that is what's important, but the "pick they think they can acquire" means they'd need an answer from Knicks in time to get other deal done.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Steve Bulpett--"You'd think Celts and NY would be able to do business on Porzingis, but being told now nothing going on and nothing got close... We'll see."

Steve Bulpett‏ @SteveBHoop 10s10 seconds ago
Expecting a lot of posturing in the next few hours... Wouldn't rule anything out.

 

[boca]

And keeps the Nets pick? So, something like #3, Brown, and Bradley for KP? Hmmmm.

Two picks and a player is how it reads to me

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

The other pick for tonight is a lottery one. Whom can they get that from and for what? Thomas?

 

[RedOctober3829]

The other pick for tonight is a lottery one. Whom can they get that from and for what? Thomas?

Avery Bradley for a late lottery pick.

 

[DJnVa]

Two picks and a player is how it reads to me

Yes, but we'd get that 2nd pick for a player like Bradley--so net loss to Celtics is #3, and 2 players.

 

[Big John]

Rumor that Boston is looking to acquire #7 from the TWolves.

 

[j44thor]

From Ian Begley a Knicks reporter for ESPN -

Sources: BOS offered NYK its No. 3 pick, a player & an additional lottery pick that they think they can acquire tonight in a trade for KP.

So intentional leak to get SAC to pony up???

 

[MillarTime]

Rumor that Boston is looking to acquire #7 from the TWolves.

Bradley? Crowder? Not IT, right?

 

[oumbi]

But wait, there's more:


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Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Rumor that Boston is looking to acquire #7 from the TWolves.

The NBA draft is the most entertaining time of the year

 

[BaseballJones]

Yes, but we'd get that 2nd pick for a player like Bradley--so net loss to Celtics is #3, and 2 players.

C's started with the #1, Bradley, and Brown.

If this trade as you describe above happens, they'll end up dealing those three pieces for Porzingis and the LAL 2018 first rounder.

That seems to me to be potentially a pretty good trade at the end of the day.

I know it's not one trade, but it would be two disconnected trades that produce the result, but that's ultimately what would happen (if the trade goes down).

 

[moondog80]

If we don't trade for Porzingis, and the extra pick was in fact supposed to come from Bradley, do we make that end of it anyway and just replace Bradley w/ Butler or Hayward?

 

[boca]

Yes, but we'd get that 2nd pick for a player like Bradley--so net loss to Celtics is #3, and 2 players.

Ah ok got you now

 

[DannyDarwinism]

Bradley? Crowder? Not IT, right?

I know it's Thibs and all, but it still has to cost more than a year of Avery Bradley.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

It has to be IT4. Wolves have been rumored to be in on a point guard for awhile and no way AB gets #7.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Mark Murphy: "NBA source confirms NYDN report that NY wants both Nets picks, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis. "(Phil Jackson) is just messing with things".


Mark Murphy‏Verified account @Murf56 19s19 seconds ago
Source adds that Celtics are waiting for Jackson to come back to earth.

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

Do they pick #7 if they snag it or package it? My head hurts.

 

[boca]

Reports that Danny is trying to trade for the #7 pick from the TWolves.

Tick tock....?

 

[cheech13]

I can't see the Wolves trading #7 for Bradley. That has to be IT or Horford, right? Unless they are taking a guy like Crowder and a future pick.

 

[The Social Chair]

I wouldn't trade 2016 #3 pick, 2017 #3 pick, 2018 Brooklyn pick, and a starter for Porzingis. Way too rich.

 

[RedOctober3829]

A. Sherrod Blakely‏Verified account @SherrodbCSN 8m8 minutes ago
As I talked about on the @Toucherandrich show this am, the @nyknicks feel any deal for KP HAS to include @ least 2 lottery picks.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

I can't see the Wolves trading #7 for Bradley. That has to be IT or Horford, right? Unless they are taking a guy like Crowder and a future pick.

or Phil doesn't really want Jaylen Brown and the Wolves do. Nothing really makes sense besides IT4, really. I guess Horford kinda does. Would the Celtics do that?

 

[Saints Rest]

Is there any benefit, or cost, to either team, for making this trade AFTER the pick is made? I wonder if Phil may want to wait until picks 1 and 2 are made so he can know who he would be getting at 3.

 

[bankshot1]

Mark Murphy: "NBA source confirms NYDN report that NY wants both Nets picks, Brown and Crowder for Porzingis. "(Phil Jackson) is just messing with things".


Mark Murphy‏Verified account @Murf56 19s19 seconds ago
Source adds that Celtics are waiting for Jackson to come back to earth.

I hope Danny tells Phil he'll get back to him after next year's exit interviews.

 

[E5 Yaz]

This is where a Porzingis foot exam would be useful

 

[RedOctober3829]

Adam Himmelsbach‏Verified account @AdamHimmelsbach 14s14 seconds ago
Still hearing the Celtics have no plans to empty their entire war chest to chase Porzingis.

 

[djbayko]

No, trading Horford - a quality big man who spaces the floor - so that you can acquire a piece in a trade for a quality big man who spaces the floor makes zero sense.

 

[DJnVa]

A. Sherrod Blakely‏Verified account @SherrodbCSN 8m8 minutes ago
As I talked about on the @Toucherandrich show this am, the @nyknicks feel any deal for KP HAS to include @ least 2 lottery picks.

So, the Knicks stance is 2 lottery picks, and right now that means #3 and next year's Nets pick. I guess we need to figure out if the Knicks would then accept #7 this year.

 

[DJnVa]

It has to be IT4. Wolves have been rumored to be in on a point guard for awhile and no way AB gets #7.

Wait--they still have Rubio and Dunn. Is Rubio on the move?

 

[moondog80]

Wait--they still have Rubio and Dunn. Is Rubio on the move?

Rumors are Rubio is being shopped, yes.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

If it's IT4, the Cs will struggle to score next year. Even if they can convince Hayward to come to Boston.

 

[JCizzle]

This is where a Porzingis foot exam would be useful

His workout videos make me nervous as shit. He's so big that he looks on the verge of breaking just doing an air squat.

http://deadspin.com/kristaps-porzingis-has-produced-the-only-relatable-athl-1796274029

 

[edoug]

Wait--they still have Rubio and Dunn. Is Rubio on the move?

Twolves are talking to Dallas about Rubio

 

[JCizzle]

If it's IT4, the Cs will struggle to score next year. Even if they can convince Hayward to come to Boston.

I don't think they can trade IT with the threat of surgery still looming. Be well IT

 

[Minneapolis Millers]

I know it's Thibs and all, but it still has to cost more than a year of Avery Bradley.

I'd hope so, for the Wolves' sake. At least a couple of good 2ds, or a future Boston 1st

 

[DJnVa]

If it's IT4, the Cs will struggle to score next year. Even if they can convince Hayward to come to Boston.

KP scored 18 a game with the Knicks. With guys like Hayward and Bradley around him, plus Horford, I think they'll be okay.

 

[j44thor]

His workout videos make me nervous as shit. He's so big that he looks on the verge of breaking just doing an air squat.

http://deadspin.com/kristaps-porzingis-has-produced-the-only-relatable-athl-1796274029

One comment was spot on, those look like early PT workouts after major surgery.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

If it's IT4, the Cs will struggle to score next year. Even if they can convince Hayward to come to Boston.

On the other hand you take the #7 and run for a one-sided player you don't plan on paying long-term...which is why I can't imagine Thibs being interested.