Wilpons to sell controlling interest in Mets (or maybe not)

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Is that true? How do the gains not get clawed back? I’m guessing the law doesn’t work that way, but it seems like a bs way to handle a Ponzi scheme fallout.
The scummy Wilpons fought in court for the right to treat their unrealized gains as losses. As bad as Cohen is, he is 1897% less scummy than the Wilpons. I mean including a clause that says that they get to remain in charge after selling the team to someone else screams fraud.
 

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Is that true? How do the gains not get clawed back? I’m guessing the law doesn’t work that way, but it seems like a bs way to handle a Ponzi scheme fallout.
A lot of it was too long ago. The more recent gains were clawed back, but, even then, the Wilpon's were net winners, not losers, even with the settlement they had to pay.
 

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I admittedly don’t know the story of the Wilpons that well but I feel comfortable saying that this isn’t true.
The Wilpons were not just beneficiaries of Madoff's scam, they were fund promoters. Which is just one of many reasons I'm not as comfortable saying it isn't true.

It may be. I'm just saying it's not clear-cut to me.
 

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If there's one thing I regret with Cohen not taking over the Mets, it's that an MLB owner with decent taste in art would run a team. They could get a much more avant garde home run sculpture for CF.
Wasn't that Jeffrey Loria's thing? That didn't work out so well.
 

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Wasn't that Jeffrey Loria's thing? That didn't work out so well.
Because Loria has crappy taste. OTOH the number of artists who would take on such a commission is probably limited to someone engaged with over the top kitsch like Red Grooms. Maybe you could get Richard Serra to do the outfield walls, but I doubt Martin Puryear takes this on. Maybe you could get Isa Genzken to do something interesting with integrated advertising...
 

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Because Loria has crappy taste. OTOH the number of artists who would take on such a commission is probably limited to someone engaged with over the top kitsch like Red Grooms. Maybe you could get Richard Serra to do the outfield walls, but I doubt Martin Puryear takes this on. Maybe you could get Isa Genzken to do something interesting with integrated advertising...
Not a Koons fan?

That Wilpon/Madoff story is wild. Can’t believe Rakoff signed off on all that. He’s supposed to be the smartest dude on the Southern District.
 

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Definitely not.
Maybe they can throw a Damien Hirst out there. A bloated, dissected whale just screams Mets to me.

Side note - if you haven’t already, check out The Price of Everything documentary on HBO. It does a nice job making Koons look like a silly jumped up wolf of Wall St. cum artist.

Cum in the Latin sense, not an artist whose medium is semen.
 

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Hirst has always struck me more as a natural promoter who came out of art school, so he made art. I think Koons’ early work were strange objects that tapped into something that aligned with their time in a way that people didn’t see coming; I guess the best art is like that (even if I don’t like it). His later work just slid into easy commodification. People will argue that that is kind of what the work is about, but it’s devoid of any such critique that might give it bite; he’s producing generic pablum to print money just like Disney has done with Star Wars movies.
 

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Ha - I like the idea of Serra doing the outfield walls which would give Wrigley's bricks a run for their money. Fred Lynn wouldn't have lasted a month.

I'm kind of beaten down regarding art and sports. I never like what they create. It's always garish and ugly. I don't mind garish and ugly, but they can't even do garish and ugly right.
 

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Serra in this context makes me think of the hill they had in CF in Houston for a few years, I imagine some Serras in dead center field, with the CF having to find his way among them. This is obviously a ridiculous idea but would be very entertaining if no one cared about the outcome of games.
 

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Hirst has always struck me more as a natural promoter who came out of art school, so he made art. I think Koons’ early work were strange objects that tapped into something that aligned with their time in a way that people didn’t see coming; I guess the best art is like that (even if I don’t like it). His later work just slid into easy commodification. People will argue that that is kind of what the work is about, but it’s devoid of any such critique that might give it bite; he’s producing generic pablum to print money just like Disney has done with Star Wars movies.
It’d be cool to have those Koons works where the viewer sees himself looking at the piece. Imagine a fielder going back for a fly ball only to find himself lost in something like a hall of mirrors.
 

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It’d be cool to have those Koons works where the viewer sees himself looking at the piece. Imagine a fielder going back for a fly ball only to find himself lost in something like a hall of mirrors.
The gazing balls? I think that may result in some protests from batters. But I'd allow it if the gazing ball was placed on a giant painting of new owner A-rod as a centaur in centerfield. Or maybe a painting of A-rod kissing himself in a mirror, but the mirror was also partially a mirror. It would be captivating, and a true home team advantage.
 

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The Gazing Ball sculptures are just terrible.
It's the epitome of shallow work turned out for commercial purposes by a name artist. Bland copies of existing art made by a nameless studio grunt with a shiny ball and Koons' name attached to them selling for millions.
 

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In fairness those works are made by either high-end fabrication shops or contracted to master craftspeople (usually in Europe). But they’re aesthetically bankrupt and the work (like a lot of the top of the art market) is just the super-rich collecting the same accepted brand names as trophies, rather than engaging with them he work.
 

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It's the epitome of shallow work turned out for commercial purposes by a name artist. Bland copies of existing art made by a nameless studio grunt with a shiny ball and Koons' name attached to them selling for millions.
I think a gazing ball over a reproduction of some Dürer apocalyptic work painted on the outfield wall would be perfect for the Mets stadium. Position the gazing ball so fans, players and owners alike could watch themselves watching the scenes of destruction and devastation.
 

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Are you saying the 6 should be afraid of the 7? Because 7 8 9-figures of the Wilpons' net worth?
It’s an E6, JLo “On the Six” combo joke.

Damnit, I guess working in E5 for the Yankee days would’ve been better. Damn Jeter.
 

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This whole story is all smoke and no fire, no one is backing A-Rod for that much money (and it's unclear that MLB would even approve him given his past) and no one has any idea how much the Mets are worth right now. Their asking price was $2.6B before but unless someone actually paid that (which of course they didn't), it doesn't mean they were really worth it.
 

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Well, $2.6B - $1.5B = ????


And sure, they aren't literally bankrupt but if you read to the end of that Variety article, it mentions anyone buying the club is assuming $50M in losses annually. How long can the Wilpon’s house of cards last at that number before they just take $1.5B?
 
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Maybe A-Rod finds a financier who's the actual power in the room, but is willing to let A-Rod be the #2 partner and public face of the team.
 

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Well, $2.6B - $1.5B = ????


And sure, they aren't literally bankrupt but if you read to the end of that Variety article, it mentions anyone buying the club is assuming $50M in losses annually. How long can the Wilpon’s house of cards last at that number before they just take $1.5B?
I have an incredibly hard time believing that the Mets are losing $50 million a year. I have less difficulty believing that Variety uncritically repeated a figure that was given to them.
 

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This sounds more to me like Cohen negotiating hard by "walking away." I bet the Wilpons will come crawling back to the negotiating table with some concessions unless some other Mets-loving hedge-fund manager gets a bid together.
Not gonna say I told you so, but I told you so...