Yeah, that's not going to happen. But he's got a lot of growing up to do and a lot to learn about being a pro.
Wild Card Weekend Gamethread
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Presume this was in the wrong forum. But who knows what Odell Beckham will do?
It will be hard to for me to be convinced that there is a safe, text book, way to deliver a blindside hit with minimal possibility of injury.
No... Im talking about Odell Beckham... GB will send the bill to Odell Beckham so they can fix the wall
Wouldn't be surprised to see a holdout by him for a new contract. I'd totally explore the possibility of putting his name out there to see what kind of interest it would drum up. He is a diva and is going to look to break the bank for.someone that is a me first guy.
It's delicious, all of it. I'm glad Giants are gone. But in the wake of Miami, running bare chested pre-game, Francesa promising a win, and the hole in wall -- it's too big an ask of Santa.
NY Post online generating some quality headlines about this one. Can't wait till both tabloids hit the streets tomorrow. Then come the calls to WFAN.
NY Post online generating some quality headlines about this one. Can't wait till both tabloids hit the streets tomorrow. Then come the calls to WFAN.
It's too bad the video live feed is gone. Francesa is going to guzzle Diet Coke tomorrow.
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#Steelers assistant coach Joey Porter has been put in the back of a cop car in the south side for an altercation with a police officer
Just those tough Pittsburgh Steelers! Unfortunately for Porter, the people in charge of enforcement were actually competent this time.
#Steelers assistant coach Joey Porter has been put in the back of a cop car in the south side for an altercation with a police officer
Just those tough Pittsburgh Steelers! Unfortunately for Porter, the people in charge of enforcement were actually competent this time.
the Giants had the Packers for 29 minutes of this game. But thanks to drops and overall a one-dimensional offense, only 6 points was really nothing. Then Rodgers got hot again and the Giants couldn't stop anything, while the Giants had multiple fuck-ups on both special teams and turnovers.
Even if the Giants capitalized on all their opportunities and scored 28 points, I'm not sure they would have won this game. For starters, don't allow that Hail Mary, that was stupidly easy shit.
Even if the Giants capitalized on all their opportunities and scored 28 points, I'm not sure they would have won this game. For starters, don't allow that Hail Mary, that was stupidly easy shit.
I recognize you've already been through an extended conversation about this, and clearly don't relish another, so I'll just leave it at this:
- There is no way to have a contact sport like this, predicated as it is on physical dominance at many points, and not have to draw boundaries on that contact (with resulting enormous gray areas)
- Even plenty of supposedly non-contact sports have frequent injuries, as I surely don't have to remind you. The key is preventing life-altering brain injuries.
- I would argue there is nothing problematic about "blindside" hits over and above "recipient-aware" hits, so long as they are within the rules (particularly in avoiding hits to the head or hits that use the helmet to deliver the impact). For the same reason that drunk drivers survive wrecks at much higher rates than their victims: they're relaxed and don't tense up in anticipation.
- Where I suspect we agree is the need to encourage rugby-style "wrapping-up" tackles, which are more about controlling the opponent's body than trying to truck on through somebody. So many of the "big hits" in the NFL are actually sub-optimal for the purpose of, you know, getting the ball-carrier to the ground, and that kinda drives me nuts.
OBJ actually enjoys the Daily News back page, the self centered brat that he is. Horrid: I wonder how long they pondered over using that word.
Assaulted a doorman, apparently.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000771895/article/steelers-coach-joey-porter-arrested-on-multiple-charges
For the fourth time in Packers playoff history, they had 2 players with 100+ yards receiving on the day. Keith Jackson and Robert Brooks did it to the 49ers in 1996, Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley did it in Rodgers' playoff debut in Arizona in 2010, but then Davante Adams and Randall Cobb have done it twice in the last 3 seasons. In both cases, Cobb finished with exactly 116 yards receiving, with a very similar catch percentage: 71.4% on 5 recptions/7 targets today, 72.7% with an 8 of 11 hauled in against Dallas 1/11/15.
For the fourth time in Packers playoff history, they got 2 players with 100+ yards receiving on the day. Keith Jackson and Robert Brooks did it to the 9ers in 1996, Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley did it in Rodgers' playoff debut in Arizona in 2010, but then Davante Adams and Randall Cobb have done it twice in the last 3 seasons. In both cases, Cobb finished with exactly 116 yards receiving, with a very similar catch percentage: 71.4% on 5/7 today, 72.7% on 8/11 against Dallas 1/11/15.
For the fourth time in Packers playoff history, they got 2 players with 100+ yards receiving on the day. Keith Jackson and Robert Brooks did it to the 9ers in 1996, Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley did it in Rodgers' playoff debut in Arizona in 2010, but then Davante Adams and Randall Cobb have done it twice in the last 3 seasons. In both cases, Cobb finished with exactly 116 yards receiving, with a very similar catch percentage: 71.4% on 5/7 today, 72.7% on 8/11 against Dallas 1/11/15.
I was hoping they'd go for GIANTS LOSE BY A YACHT, myself.
No surprise he was arrested for terroristic threats considering the Steelers and their fans are ISIS. Is Roger there yet to post his bail?
This argument always bugs me.
NFL tackles are different than Rugby tackles because keeping a player from moving forward is almost (if not as) important as getting him to the ground. A guy dragging you 4 yards in rugby before going down isn't a big deal, in football it gives the other team another 4 downs. NFL players tackle the way they do because it's the optimal balance between stopping a player from gaining more yardage, and ending the play by downing him. Forcing rugby style tackling would fundamentally alter the way the game is played, and probably require increasing the yardage requirement from 10 to 15-20 yards.
If that's the only way to make the sport safer, that's fine, but the argument that they should just "tackle better" is ridiculous. Wrap-up style tackling is only the optimal strategy when the player has already past the first down marker.
Oh, and yes, Joey Porter is a terrible human being, so I'm not surprised that he's in legal trouble yet again.
Yep, he and drama appear to be a lifetime marriage. Nothing will top getting a gunshot wound to the butt while in Denver for the annual Colorado - Colorado State game.
Porter, butt, annual (my computer is Colombian-made, so it'll come out as anal), shot - who knows what I'd get.
Utter nonsense.
Leading with your helmet has nothing to do with an "optimal balance between stopping a player from gaining more yardage and ending the play by downing him." Honestly, that's an embarrassingly stupid statement on the face of it.
A lot of NFL players use bad tackling technique. They do this because instead of focusing on making a tackle, they are attempting to deliver a punishing hit. And in the perverse world of NFL football, the ability to deliver punishing hits on a consistent basis will result in that player being rewarded. (See Burfict, Vontaze.) The league is making half-hearted attempts to dial these hits back, but they also understand that violent hitting is a key part of the overall appeal of the NFL, which is why the rules (and the enforcement of those rules) seems so arbitrary.
Could you please point out where I said anything about leading with your helmet?
I was talking about "truck[ing] through guys" - which is why I quoted that section. The NFL as a sport values stopping an opponent's forward progress as much as getting him to the ground. That alone eliminates the possibility of dragging players to the ground being an optimal tackling strategy. As long as short amounts of field position are important, knocking people over is going to be an important strategy.
That may have been what you were talking about, but it's not the context of the discussion that you responded to.
The conversation that you inserted yourself into began because of a number of hits during the game that were about leading with the helmet and not wrapping versus leading with the shoulder and wrapping. (Which you equated to being like a rugby tackle.) The simple fact is that there's a lot of bad technique in the NFL today, and the hits that people were discussing are a part of that.
But even if I take the context out of the larger discussion, I still think your point is nonsense. "Trucking through someone" with a big hit but not wrapping up is not done for the reasons you claim. It's done because big hits are encouraged and rewarded - period.
Former NFL punter Chris Kluwe shares a lovely Joey Porter anecdote in the comments section of the Deadspin story.
Link to article.
http://deadspin.com/report-joey-porter-arrested-after-altercation-outside-1790961209
Yes, I am mad your team has carte blanche to helmet spear/commit unsportsmanlike conduct with playoff games on the line/stomp on opposing players/blindside block punters, etc. with no repercussions but that's just those tough, blue collar Pittsburgh Steelers. I guess that just makes me a jealous hater.
(Belichik on ferry) Not sure much of a backstory, this is my typical pose on a ferry. (though in the day, I had four kids milling around)
The Giants took out their frustrations at getting drubbed by the Green Bay Packers on the jumbo jet that carried them home — forcing London-bound travelers to wait more than three hours while the mess got cleaned up at Newark Airport, a Brooklyn man told The Post on Monday.
Mark Kropf said he was waiting to board United Airlines Flight 934 out of Newark when “the pilot came out and asked for everyone’s patience, and shared where the plane came from and that the plane needed extra help repairing and cleaning the interior.”
Another 30 minutes passed and the gate agent told us it was the Giants that destroyed the biz class cabin, and we saw service personnel walking countless seat cushions off the plane,” Kropf wrote in a message via Twitter.
“Upon entering the business class cabin, the cleaning scent only partially masked the alcohol smell. I had popcorn, chewing tobacco and other food crumbs on my seat.”
According to the FlightAware Web site, Flight 934 is a Boeing 767-400 that was previously used for United Flight 2237, which arrived from Green Bay, Wis., at 2:17 a.m.
Flight 934 was scheduled to depart for London’s Heathrow Airport at 8:30 a.m., but didn’t take off until 11:47 a.m., 3 hours and 17 minutes late.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/09/giants-trash-airplane-following-embarrassing-playoff-blowout/
Mark Kropf said he was waiting to board United Airlines Flight 934 out of Newark when “the pilot came out and asked for everyone’s patience, and shared where the plane came from and that the plane needed extra help repairing and cleaning the interior.”
Another 30 minutes passed and the gate agent told us it was the Giants that destroyed the biz class cabin, and we saw service personnel walking countless seat cushions off the plane,” Kropf wrote in a message via Twitter.
“Upon entering the business class cabin, the cleaning scent only partially masked the alcohol smell. I had popcorn, chewing tobacco and other food crumbs on my seat.”
According to the FlightAware Web site, Flight 934 is a Boeing 767-400 that was previously used for United Flight 2237, which arrived from Green Bay, Wis., at 2:17 a.m.
Flight 934 was scheduled to depart for London’s Heathrow Airport at 8:30 a.m., but didn’t take off until 11:47 a.m., 3 hours and 17 minutes late.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/09/giants-trash-airplane-following-embarrassing-playoff-blowout/
What a bunch of babies. It's good to see the team taking all of Odell's immature antics and doubling down on it.
Trashing a plane like they are The Who in the 1970s at Gramercy Hotel?(or whatever hotel they have trashed) That's just sad.
Trashing a plane like they are The Who in the 1970s at Gramercy Hotel?(or whatever hotel they have trashed) That's just sad.
This just re-establishes the fact that the Giants have been a faux good organization since the 1980's. Their fans like to pound their chests over two fluke Super Bowl victories, but when I think of the Giants since 1986, I think of Trey Junkin...blowing that playoff lead in SF...the Minn game in '97...the Ravens embarrassing them in the Super Bowl...and now this...not to mention Scott Norwood should have made that kick.
The Yankees are a great organization that deserves our respect. The Giants? No. They're a regional team that has been mediocre for most of the last 20 years. They've been under .500 three times out of the last four seasons. Before that, they went 9-7 twice, which is our worst record since 2001. Meanwhile we're going 12-4 or better.
Sorry. Sore spot. But I don't think the Giants are a top-tier org at all. They got lucky twice, otherwise they'd not be talked about.
The Yankees are a great organization that deserves our respect. The Giants? No. They're a regional team that has been mediocre for most of the last 20 years. They've been under .500 three times out of the last four seasons. Before that, they went 9-7 twice, which is our worst record since 2001. Meanwhile we're going 12-4 or better.
Sorry. Sore spot. But I don't think the Giants are a top-tier org at all. They got lucky twice, otherwise they'd not be talked about.
Since the 80's ended the Giants have gone to 4 Super Bowls, won 3 Super Bowls, and made the playoffs 11 times while playing at a .531 clip. They haven't been comparable to the BB/Brady era Pats and they've become mired in mediocrity as Eli has aged/become bad, but they've been a pretty good franchise.
They are tied for third of all time in Super Bowl wins, tied with the Pats and Packers. Their SB win in 2008 was flukey but they won it. And I know, my argument is "count the rings". But they have been better than a faux good organization. They have been a great organization. Their 1986 team was a pretty incredible one. I don't think anyone thinks of Trey Junkin or that Minnesota game when the Giants are thought about. They think about Lawrence Taylor, beating the Pats, or Norwood's miss.