Who's With Me?

[SoxLegacy]

What is this, a Cubs/Mets/Padres Board?
 
My fellow SoSHer’s, I believe the time has come to change the name of this site to the Sons of Jerome Walton, Ed Kranepool or Bip Roberts. A site where I used to find insightful and thoughtful baseball posts (along with some pretty funny stuff) has become a board where there are massive numbers of people posting about things we know little about and offering it up as gospel. Members are posting and reposting, arguing and counter-arguing their points ad nauseam. In order to find useful and perceptive information requires wading through some pretty terrible swill regarding trading parts of or even the entire team, what the front office did or did not do, that evil Lucchino character, even whether or not the front office is committed to winning.Cripes, the Sox won't have enough money to pay anyone in order to cover all the assistant GM's here.
 
The last time I checked, this ownership group presided over the revitalization of Fenway and built three World Series Champion teams—not too shabby. I venture to say that 29 other teams would like to trade places with the Sox if given the opportunity.
 
What the fuck happened to the SoSH I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts?  ‘Oh, we’re afraid the Sox might not have a good season or might lose Lester, we might be sad.’ Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Maddon? He’s a dead man! Girardi, dead! Showalter….
 
Come on people—keep calm and Red Sox on! Who's with me?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
 
 
 

 

[BroodsSexton]

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[TSC]

:speechless:

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Who gave Tom Werner an account?

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

 

[Curll]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWENaZN7bMM

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

I'm with SoxLegacy. The rest of you are losers.

 

[Plympton91]

I thought this was going to be a call to jump on the bandwagon at the beginning of a 48-12 finish.

 

[bankshot1]

What's this a fund-raiser for JW Henry?
 
He blow-up another company?
 
I'm in for $10.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I can forgive letting Ellsbury go. 
 
I can forgive thinking...
 
Pierzynski/Ross
Napoli
Pedroia
Bogaerts
Middlebrooks
Nava/Gomes
Sizemore/Bradley
Victorino
Ortiz
 
...would be a productive offense. In fact, I'm convinced that if start 2015 with that exact offense (sans AJP and Sizemore), we'll be mostly fine offensively. 
 
I can forgive the AJP and Mujica signings.
 
I can forgive the bad season, as frustrating as it is.
 
But I can't forgive the continued dicking around with Lester. If he goes, who replaces him? Scherzer is going to cost just as much, maybe more... and a draft pick. Hamels is going to cost prospects, and at a similar AAV. Same for any other trade target. And Lester has pitched here, won championships, been lights out in the playoffs throughout his career. So yeah, the handling of Lester's situation has basically been malpractice.
 
If the plan is to go into 2015 with a rotation of Lackey/Buchholz/Liriano/RDLR/Workman, I'll be pissed. 
 
If the plan is to try and get a Hamels for prospects that could have been used for Stanton or Tulowitzki, I'd be even more pissed.

 

[DLew On Roids]

Wtf are you on?

 
Maybe Dee hit him.

 

[jose melendez]

I say we all get fired up for cricket season.

 

[JMDurron]

Not even Lester can go deep enough in a game when the offense actually pretends to have something of a pulse against a top AL starter.  The top setup guys failed miserably tonight.  This is a game thready response to a game thready forum post, I hope that is ok.  
 
I am not with you.  
 
I am with this team making the best moves for the medium to long-term to be World Series contenders as frequently as possible.  I believe that this team's management and ownership are committed to this goal, despite tactical quibbles with how they go about doing it from time to time.  
 
I am with the posters advocating for small-scale selloffs of disposable parts of this year's team (Jake Peavy, Jonny "Catching the Ball Isn't in the Bro Code" Gomes, The Bullpen, etc.), for the sake of achieving that goal. 
 
I am with the posters who also understand that this season is over.  Done.  The 2014 Boston Red Sox?  DEAD.  Gone. Finito.  No. More.  And you know what?  That's ok.  Oh, and don't insult the Mets by comparing them to the Red Sox this season, since they have the better team thus far.  
 
I am not with the posters condemning this generally competent and effective ownership group as if the failure of the 2014 Red Sox is a grand reveal of the ultimate cheapness/pettiness/incompetence of their management of the franchise.  I am not with the posters saying that the team missed clear signs that this shitty season of suck was coming.  You know what?  Shit happens.  Shitty seasons happen.  This is another 2006, with better pitching and worse hitting.  They happen, and they are not predictive of future performance any more than they were predictED by past performance.  Having depth concerns is one thing, expecting that this shit show was coming is something completely different.  Being correct about the depth concerns doesn't make one correct about just how shitty every established performer would perform in 2014.  It sucks, I'm as angry watching these games as you are, but chill, the. Fuck. OUT.  
 
I am interested to see what this team does between now and the deadline, because this little 4-game tank job against division opponents leaves no doubt in any reasonable mind that this season is over.  Even the most difficult to kill optimist has to be on the "ok, we're fucked." reality tour bus at this point.  That's ok.  
 
I am significantly less interested in paying close attention to the games that this surprisingly shitty instantiation of the Red Sox will be playing going forward.  The games will be background noise to keep the presence in my life, but this team just isn't earning the emotional energy required for me to really focus on every pitch for the reason of the season.  I am with the cynics on that one.
 
Despite that, it's going to be ok in the medium-to-long term.  Shit Now, Serenity Later: The 2014 Boston Red Sox.  

 

[Rasputin]

I can forgive letting Ellsbury go. 
 
I can forgive thinking...
 
Pierzynski/Ross
Napoli
Pedroia
Bogaerts
Middlebrooks
Nava/Gomes
Sizemore/Bradley
Victorino
Ortiz
 
...would be a productive offense. In fact, I'm convinced that if start 2015 with that exact offense (sans AJP and Sizemore), we'll be mostly fine offensively. 
 
I can forgive the AJP and Mujica signings.
 
I can forgive the bad season, as frustrating as it is.
 
But I can't forgive the continued dicking around with Lester. If he goes, who replaces him? Scherzer is going to cost just as much, maybe more... and a draft pick. Hamels is going to cost prospects, and at a similar AAV. Same for any other trade target. And Lester has pitched here, won championships, been lights out in the playoffs throughout his career. So yeah, the handling of Lester's situation has basically been malpractice.
 
If the plan is to go into 2015 with a rotation of Lackey/Buchholz/Liriano/RDLR/Workman, I'll be pissed. 
 
If the plan is to try and get a Hamels for prospects that could have been used for Stanton or Tulowitzki, I'd be even more pissed.

For fuck's sake, you don't know what's going on with Lester. None of us do. Hyperbolic bullshit like calling it malpractice is exactly the kind of nonsense the OP was talking about.

 

[JMDurron]

I'm still going to the game again tomorrow (despite tonight's loss, it actually was a "good" game competitively speaking), so I may not be particularly credible on some of my points made earlier.  I blame not having had enough postgame wine.  Yet.  

 

[Reggie's Racquet]

I say we all get fired up for cricket season.

Crickets are an integral part of the natural world. If we hunt out all the crickets the whole delicate ecosystem could come crumbling down.

Much the same as the 2014 Boston Red Sox.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I think they should either trade Lester, resign him, wait to the end of the season and see what happens, or DFA him

 

[Rasputin]

I say we all get fired up for cricket season.

 
Can someone explain that shit to me?
 
I was on a cruise a few years ago and was watching some and it looked like a cool game but I could not for the life of me figure out how the scoring worked, or how someone made an out other than someone caught the ball.

 

[CarolinaBeerGuy]

 
Can someone explain that shit to me?
 
I was on a cruise a few years ago and was watching some and it looked like a cool game but I could not for the life of me figure out how the scoring worked, or how someone made an out other than someone caught the ball.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84613-americas-cricket-revolution-starts/

 

[someoneanywhere]

I think they should either trade Lester, resign him, wait to the end of the season and see what happens, or DFA him

I blame abs for locking the Drew 2.0 thread.

 

[jacklamabe65]

I am in the Billy Pilgrim, "And so it goes," phase.

 

[AlNipper49]

What is this, a Cubs/Mets/Padres Board?
 
My fellow SoSHer’s, I believe the time has come to change the name of this site to the Sons of Jerome Walton, Ed Kranepool or Bip Roberts. A site where I used to find insightful and thoughtful baseball posts (along with some pretty funny stuff) has become a board where there are massive numbers of people posting about things we know little about and offering it up as gospel. Members are posting and reposting, arguing and counter-arguing their points ad nauseam. In order to find useful and perceptive information requires wading through some pretty terrible swill regarding trading parts of or even the entire team, what the front office did or did not do, that evil Lucchino character, even whether or not the front office is committed to winning.Cripes, the Sox won't have enough money to pay anyone in order to cover all the assistant GM's here.
 
The last time I checked, this ownership group presided over the revitalization of Fenway and built three World Series Champion teams—not too shabby. I venture to say that 29 other teams would like to trade places with the Sox if given the opportunity.
 
What the fuck happened to the SoSH I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts?  ‘Oh, we’re afraid the Sox might not have a good season or might lose Lester, we might be sad.’ Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Maddon? He’s a dead man! Girardi, dead! Showalter….
 
Come on people—keep calm and Red Sox on! Who's with me?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
 
 
 

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[Plympton91]

 
Can someone explain that shit to me?
 
I was on a cruise a few years ago and was watching some and it looked like a cool game but I could not for the life of me figure out how the scoring worked, or how someone made an out other than someone caught the ball.

This would be a great thread for TBLTS. I am also interested in learning what the hell is going on during a game of cricket.

 

[glennhoffmania]

If you think baseball games take too long then cricket is definitely the sport for you.

 

[DanoooME]

Not even Lester can go deep enough in a game when the offense actually pretends to have something of a pulse against a top AL starter.  The top setup guys failed miserably tonight.  This is a game thready response to a game thready forum post, I hope that is ok.  
 
I am not with you.  
 
I am with this team making the best moves for the medium to long-term to be World Series contenders as frequently as possible.  I believe that this team's management and ownership are committed to this goal, despite tactical quibbles with how they go about doing it from time to time.  
 
I am with the posters advocating for small-scale selloffs of disposable parts of this year's team (Jake Peavy, Jonny "Catching the Ball Isn't in the Bro Code" Gomes, The Bullpen, etc.), for the sake of achieving that goal. 
 
I am with the posters who also understand that this season is over.  Done.  The 2014 Boston Red Sox?  DEAD.  Gone. Finito.  No. More.  And you know what?  That's ok.  Oh, and don't insult the Mets by comparing them to the Red Sox this season, since they have the better team thus far.  
 
I am not with the posters condemning this generally competent and effective ownership group as if the failure of the 2014 Red Sox is a grand reveal of the ultimate cheapness/pettiness/incompetence of their management of the franchise.  I am not with the posters saying that the team missed clear signs that this shitty season of suck was coming.  You know what?  Shit happens.  Shitty seasons happen.  This is another 2006, with better pitching and worse hitting.  They happen, and they are not predictive of future performance any more than they were predictED by past performance.  Having depth concerns is one thing, expecting that this shit show was coming is something completely different.  Being correct about the depth concerns doesn't make one correct about just how shitty every established performer would perform in 2014.  It sucks, I'm as angry watching these games as you are, but chill, the. Fuck. OUT.  
 
I am interested to see what this team does between now and the deadline, because this little 4-game tank job against division opponents leaves no doubt in any reasonable mind that this season is over.  Even the most difficult to kill optimist has to be on the "ok, we're fucked." reality tour bus at this point.  That's ok.  
 
I am significantly less interested in paying close attention to the games that this surprisingly shitty instantiation of the Red Sox will be playing going forward.  The games will be background noise to keep the presence in my life, but this team just isn't earning the emotional energy required for me to really focus on every pitch for the reason of the season.  I am with the cynics on that one.
 
Despite that, it's going to be ok in the medium-to-long term.  Shit Now, Serenity Later: The 2014 Boston Red Sox.  

 
I couldn't have expressed my feelings any better than this.  Kudos.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

What the fuck happened to the SoSH I used to know? Wheres the spirit? Wheres the guts? 

OK, OK, we'll get off your lawn.

 

[Archer1979]

You must be new here

 
Awesome.
 
JMDurron hit it out of the park with the above post.  The Sox are a three-legged dog chasing a car right now.  Even if they catch it, there's nothing that they're going to be able to do with it.

This isn't to say that they're not watchable.  They're still a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch than whatever it was the Bobby V. was subjecting us to every night.  Let the kids play, get some experience, build a solid nucleus to the team, and buy the missing pieces.  
 
Young teams can be fun to watch too.    

 

[JMDurron]

 
Awesome.
 
JMDurron hit it out of the park with the above post.  The Sox are a three-legged dog chasing a car right now.  Even if they catch it, there's nothing that they're going to be able to do with it.
This isn't to say that they're not watchable.  They're still a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch than whatever it was the Bobby V. was subjecting us to every night.  Let the kids play, get some experience, build a solid nucleus to the team, and buy the missing pieces.  
 
Young teams can be fun to watch too.    

 
I appreciate your kind words, but I disagree with the bolded.  If we're comparing watching this year's team through July 25th to watching the 2012 team through July 25th, then I think you're underrating how the 2012 team was actually competitive up until The Nick Punto Trade.  I think the pathetic nature of the 2012 team in our memories is a combination of combining Valentine;s 162-game parade of hubris with the performance of the team from The Nick Punto Trade onward.  Personally, how much I enjoy watching a team is generally more tied to how competitive they are than anything else, with the personalities involved as a key tiebreaker (the 2003 team was way more fun to watch than the 1999 team, for example).  The 2012 team was competitive for 4+ months.  The 2014 team has never been seriously competitive this season, and the pathetic offense has been terrible to watch.  
 
The 2012 team was stripped of talent and morale after the trade.  I suspect that this year's team will approach a similar rock bottom on the morale side now that the front office is clearly signalling that they are in sell mode, despite the only sale thus far being of a mediocre pitcher.  There's still time for this to get worse, and I suspect that it will.  That's still ok, it's what's needed for the future, but let's not sell the 2014 team short on the "what the fuck is this shit I am watching?" factor just yet.  

 

[EdRalphRomero]

You know....it is easy to forget just how awesome that jumping the shark episode really was.  Henry Winkler could really water-ski...wearing short shorts....and leather. 

 

[twothousandone]

Phone slip

 

[Archer1979]

 
I appreciate your kind words, but I disagree with the bolded.  If we're comparing watching this year's team through July 25th to watching the 2012 team through July 25th, then I think you're underrating how the 2012 team was actually competitive up until The Nick Punto Trade.  I think the pathetic nature of the 2012 team in our memories is a combination of combining Valentine;s 162-game parade of hubris with the performance of the team from The Nick Punto Trade onward.  Personally, how much I enjoy watching a team is generally more tied to how competitive they are than anything else, with the personalities involved as a key tiebreaker (the 2003 team was way more fun to watch than the 1999 team, for example).  The 2012 team was competitive for 4+ months.  The 2014 team has never been seriously competitive this season, and the pathetic offense has been terrible to watch.  
 
The 2012 team was stripped of talent and morale after the trade.  I suspect that this year's team will approach a similar rock bottom on the morale side now that the front office is clearly signalling that they are in sell mode, despite the only sale thus far being of a mediocre pitcher.  There's still time for this to get worse, and I suspect that it will.  That's still ok, it's what's needed for the future, but let's not sell the 2014 team short on the "what the fuck is this shit I am watching?" factor just yet.  

 
To be perfectly honest, I can't look at the Bobby V. era in segments, mostly because my soul, in an attempt to heal itself, has made the whole season one fuzzy haze,  In other words, 2012 to me was just one big ball of suck where the lone highlight was the Punto trade.  But this could be one of those years where, like '84 and '85, you're watching a bunch of young players take their first steps on their way to great careers.  You could also be watching a bunch of early flameouts.  There aren't too many guarantees in this, which kind of adds to the fun. 

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

 
I appreciate your kind words, but I disagree with the bolded.  If we're comparing watching this year's team through July 25th to watching the 2012 team through July 25th, then I think you're underrating how the 2012 team was actually competitive up until The Nick Punto Trade.  I think the pathetic nature of the 2012 team in our memories is a combination of combining Valentine;s 162-game parade of hubris with the performance of the team from The Nick Punto Trade onward.  Personally, how much I enjoy watching a team is generally more tied to how competitive they are than anything else, with the personalities involved as a key tiebreaker (the 2003 team was way more fun to watch than the 1999 team, for example).  The 2012 team was competitive for 4+ months.  The 2014 team has never been seriously competitive this season, and the pathetic offense has been terrible to watch.  
 
The 2012 team was stripped of talent and morale after the trade.  I suspect that this year's team will approach a similar rock bottom on the morale side now that the front office is clearly signalling that they are in sell mode, despite the only sale thus far being of a mediocre pitcher.  There's still time for this to get worse, and I suspect that it will.  That's still ok, it's what's needed for the future, but let's not sell the 2014 team short on the "what the fuck is this shit I am watching?" factor just yet.  

 
While the team absolutely nose-dived following the Punto trade, it was really the Ortiz injury that marked the beginning of the end of that team's contention.  They were 46-44 and 3 games out in the wildcard following the game in which he got hurt, went 15-20 and fell to 11.5 out of the wildcard leading up to the trade.
 
Ah, who gives a shit about that year anyway?