In Mississippi?Hawk is from an old board. He hasn’t changed.
In Mississippi?Hawk is from an old board. He hasn’t changed.
Is Porcello any better/worse than, say, Jake Peavy in 2013? Could he not fit a similar innings-eating 4th/5th starter to get through the season type of role that Peavy did? There's also the potential for injuries to create a need for a team.Who would want Rick Porcello? He is expensive and has been really mediocre. Which rotation does he noticeably improve?
JDM's market would be fringe AL contenders. So who gives up pieces for him? The Rangers?
- Atlanta has put Kevin Gausman on the mound for 13 starts this year. 6.21 era, 1.51 whip. They've also gotten 9 starts from Mike Foltynewicz (6.02 era, 1.32 whip).Who would want Rick Porcello? He is expensive and has been really mediocre. Which rotation does he noticeably improve?
It goes on the shelf next to the "Winning the Offseason " Award.I didn't realize the Sox were vying for the payroll efficiency trophy.
Strange you equate Sale (2x the BWar at 0.50x the cost) to Price. But in any event Sale I would want to keep, so the acqusition cost would be much greater.You understand WAR is a stat one accumulates and that Price missed a big chunk of the 2017 season right? Yet with that missed time, he's still top 20. That suggests that when healthy, he's been damn good.
But you're right on one thing...for the right offer, anyone can go. If we're going to be in sale mode, why not trade Sale for the "right offer"? Maybe Benintendi? Martinez? Why limit it to the three you initially named?
Yeah, the difference in your thinking is as clear as black and whiteStrange you equate Sale (2x the BWar at 0.50x the cost) to Price. But in any event Sale I would want to keep, so the acqusition cost would be much greater.
But he's about to cost a shit ton more than he used to with his new contract for 2020-2024Strange you equate Sale (2x the BWar at 0.50x the cost) to Price. But in any event Sale I would want to keep, so the acqusition cost would be much greater.
Don't be silly. Those three aren't black, so he is cool with them.You understand WAR is a stat one accumulates and that Price missed a big chunk of the 2017 season right? Yet with that missed time, he's still top 20. That suggests that when healthy, he's been damn good.
But you're right on one thing...for the right offer, anyone can go. If we're going to be in sale mode, why not trade Sale for the "right offer"? Maybe Benintendi? Martinez? Why limit it to the three you initially named?
So still no way to like posts on this new board?Mookie, too? He's not one of the good ones?
Hey, no need to be uppity about it.Yeah, the difference in your thinking is as clear as black and white
The same people panicking now will take existential credit for the team's turnaround once the Sox start playing better in the second half. I look forward to the posts about how "they're finally doing what I said they should do."Hey, no need to be uppity about it.
As for this team, I imagine there will be a pretty serious internal evaluation in early July about what the best realistic path going forward is. I don't see trading JD and Porcello if we're within shouting distance, but I also don't see them making a big splash to upgrade if we're still 7+ games behind 2 ALE teams while being out of (or tied) the 2nd WC slot, either.
Buried in your post is an interesting question: "What is the timing and decision process for an ostensible contender to become a seller and rebuild?"You wouldn’t unless you lost your mind or were planning an Astros (now Orioles) - style teardown. And the latter is not remotely in the cards. The circumstances don’t come close to justifying it, and this fan base would not tolerate it. Price is a guy you continue to build around.
What might be wise in a month, depending on circumstances, is a Brain Cashman-style retool with a view to competing the very next year. The pieces are probably not there for that, but it should at least be considered if we’re trailing TB and NY by 10 and are more than 5 out in the WC.
Yikes.I know the proximity to 246 has stopped DD from doing a lot of things. However, the MFYs trade for EE, giving a low prospect and paying him 3.5 millions could have been achieved by the Sox.
Maybe the front office continues to sleep in the 2018 glory.
That’s the thing “ both healthy”. I prefer EE than Pearce and he could play third those days Devers is benched against a tough lefty. He also has played 4 games in LF. Relievers have been taxed all year long, in part because SP pitch 1,2,3 runs behind in almost every game.Yikes.
I thought we were beyond an unhealthy fascination with the Yankees?
Where’s Encarnacion go when Pearce and Moreland are healthy? Are you DFA’ing one of them?
This is a team desperately needing relief help, not throwing lux tax money at a hit only 1B/DH
EE is bad defensively (Moreland and Pearce are not,) unnecessary for us, and would strain the payroll even more. Let the Yankees stack high-K power hitters, that won't win them a championship unless they trade one of said bats for more pitching. Furthermore, relievers will dictate the reliever market, not aging 1B/DH types.That’s the thing “ both healthy”. I prefer EE than Pearce and he could play third those days Devers is benched against a tough lefty. He also has played 4 games in LF. Relievers have been taxed all year long, in part because SP pitch 1,2,3 runs behind in almost every game.
Besides, if that’s the price for the AL HR leader, you could get a relief pitcher that stabilizes the bullpen at a low cost.
It's a shell game. Do the Sox have greater needs? Yes. Does acquiring Encarnacion address those needs? On the surface, no. Does Moreland become trade bait for an effective reliever? Perhaps, but Moreland isn't healthy at the moment and that works against the Sox trying to maximize what they could potentially get.Yikes.
I thought we were beyond an unhealthy fascination with the Yankees?
Where’s Encarnacion go when Pearce and Moreland are healthy? Are you DFA’ing one of them?
This is a team desperately needing relief help, not throwing lux tax money at a hit only 1B/DH
It’s not the right move for us.Yikes.
I thought we were beyond an unhealthy fascination with the Yankees?
Where’s Encarnacion go when Pearce and Moreland are healthy? Are you DFA’ing one of them?
This is a team desperately needing relief help, not throwing lux tax money at a hit only 1B/DH
Do go on. . .It’s not the right move for us.
Brian Cashman, though, provides a constant reminder that he’s effective, creative and resourceful. First rate. This is the first shoe for them, not the last.
Ultimately, that’s a good thing for us in certain respects.
I'm not sure what dc was getting at, but acquiring Encarnacion makes the Yankees lineup that much more RHH-heavy. Their most potent LHH bats right now are Gregorius and Gardner (and Hicks, I suppose). Everyone's long been bemoaning how the Sox don't have a truly effective LOOGY for a couple years now. Such a thing is quite unnecessary when facing the Yankees at this point. Obviously they're not the only opponent to be concerned with, but what LHHs do the Astros or Rays have that need to be neutralized with a LOOGY?Do go on. . .
Cashman sets a high bar that the Red Sox must meet to compete. Nobody understands the benefits of being in the AFC East more than many of us, but ultimately if you continually must face first rate competition, you end up better. That’s a good thing, not to mention the benefits to mlb of having the RS and NYY at a high level.Do go on. . .
I don't know if being in a competitive division makes much difference. The 2015 Royals won their division by 12 games and the 2017 Astros by 21.Cashman sets a high bar that the Red Sox must meet to compete. Nobody understands the benefits of being in the AFC East more than many of us, but ultimately if you continually must face first rate competition, you end up better. That’s a good thing, not to mention the benefits to mlb of having the RS and NYY at a high level.
Never should have offered that. You'll surely be hung with a different handle than luddite.By the way, I am honored to now being referred to as "Luddite" (I had to look it up) rather than "Lurker". My only phone is on a wall and I have an 8 Track Player in my car.
By the way, I am honored to now being referred to as "Luddite" (I had to look it up) rather than "Lurker". My only phone is on a wall and I have an 8 Track Player in my car.
But David Price crumples under the bright lights on the biggest stage!!!Honestly, the single biggest thing the Red Sox have done wrong this season is be un-clutch.
2018 hitting: 6.23 (1st, and by a wide margin)
2019 hitting: -2.78 (24th)
2018 pitching: 2.31 (11th)
2019 pitching: -2.93 (27th)
Both in terms of hitting and pitching, the Red Sox have been way worse than expected in situations that matter more.
The good thing though is that clutch is not at all predictive of the future and not something we should really worry about going forward.
Unless he doesn't!But David Price crumples under the bright lights on the biggest stage!!!
Do those numbers have any units to go with them?Honestly, the single biggest thing the Red Sox have done wrong this season is be un-clutch.
2018 hitting: 6.23 (1st, and by a wide margin)
2019 hitting: -2.78 (24th)
2018 pitching: 2.31 (11th)
2019 pitching: -2.93 (27th)
Both in terms of hitting and pitching, the Red Sox have been way worse than expected in situations that matter more.
The good thing though is that clutch is not at all predictive of the future and not something we should really worry about going forward.
clutch-grams per cubic footDo those numbers have any units to go with them?
Thanks. No conversion factor for AL vs. NL or day vs. night?clutch-grams per cubic foot
Another stat for Mazz to crap on.clutch-grams per cubic foot
or metric m³ ?Thanks. No conversion factor for AL vs. NL or day vs. night?
Do those numbers have any units to go with them?
clutch-grams per cubic foot
Perhaps I'm just getting trolled, but I figured people would be familiar with this stat.Thanks. No conversion factor for AL vs. NL or day vs. night?
This should be ban-worthy. Movie was great.On an unrelated note, Signs was a shit movie.
I can't stand contrived endings. That ending was a bridge too far from me.This should be ban-worthy. Movie was great.
They are tied for the 5th best record in the AL, not in all of MLB, in a league where 5 of the 15 teams are basically not trying.The Red Sox are currently tied with Texas as the fifth-best team in baseball. At what point should we stop saying things have “gone wrong” this season? When they make the playoffs? Or only if they win the wild card game?