Where have all the touchdown passes gone?

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2023 - leader was Prescott with 36. Just four with 30+. Teams averaged 1.4 passing TD per game.
2022 - leader was Mahomes with 41. Just four with 30+. Teams averaged 1.4 passing TD per game.
2021 - leader was Brady with 43. Nine with 30+. Teams averaged 1.5 passing TD per game.
2020 - leader was Rodgers with 48. Ten with 30+. Teams averaged 1.7 passing TD per game.

So from 2020-2021, there were a total of 19 guys who threw 30+ touchdown passes. In the last two years, only 8 guys had that many. Teams averaged 1.6 passing TD per game in 2020-21 and now it's just 1.4. The leaders in 2020-21 averaged 45.5 passing TD per game, while in 2022-23 it's just been 38.5.

In 2024, teams are averaging just 1.2 passing TD per game.

What's been going on here?
 

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2023 - leader was Prescott with 36. Just four with 30+. Teams averaged 1.4 passing TD per game.
2022 - leader was Mahomes with 41. Just four with 30+. Teams averaged 1.4 passing TD per game.
2021 - leader was Brady with 43. Nine with 30+. Teams averaged 1.5 passing TD per game.
2020 - leader was Rodgers with 48. Ten with 30+. Teams averaged 1.7 passing TD per game.

So from 2020-2021, there were a total of 19 guys who threw 30+ touchdown passes. In the last two years, only 8 guys had that many. Teams averaged 1.6 passing TD per game in 2020-21 and now it's just 1.4. The leaders in 2020-21 averaged 45.5 passing TD per game, while in 2022-23 it's just been 38.5.

In 2024, teams are averaging just 1.2 passing TD per game.

What's been going on here?
Two high safeties, bend don't break defenses and taking away throwing lanes in the RZ? Scoring is down slightly (23.0 per team/game in 2021, down to 21.8 in 2023; the 24.8 in 2020 is an outlier and probably no crowd noise had a role) but it's not that drastic. The overall level of QB talent also probably affects this.
 

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Also, I think the disparity between OL and DL play is at an all-time high. The athleticism of these guys is off the goddamn charts.
 

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Two high safeties, bend don't break defenses and taking away throwing lanes in the RZ? Scoring is down slightly (23.0 per team/game in 2021, down to 21.8 in 2023; the 24.8 in 2020 is an outlier and probably no crowd noise had a role) but it's not that drastic. The overall level of QB talent also probably affects this.
Two high safeties is a weird issue. Tampa-2 originated nearly 30 years ago!
 

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Two high safeties is a weird issue. Tampa-2 originated nearly 30 years ago!
It's been discussed a lot, but a big part is the combination of two high and pressure, a lot of interesting coverages under the two safeties, etc. Like last week Flores broke out a play where he showed cover zero blitz, then dropped it into inverted cover 2 rushing 4.
 

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It's been discussed a lot, but a big part is the combination of two high and pressure, a lot of interesting coverages under the two safeties, etc. Like last week Flores broke out a play where he showed cover zero blitz, then dropped it into inverted cover 2 rushing 4.
That's the explanation I've heard on various pods and it makes sense. Flores (and others) have gotten really good at disguising coverages and its messing with the offenses. Pendulum swings...
 

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Is is possible that the new dynamic QBs who run so well not *quite* as good at passing as the top guys just a few years ago?
 

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Is is possible that the new dynamic QBs who run so well not *quite* as good at passing as the top guys just a few years ago?
maybe, though a lot of the decline this year is explosive plays, which generally is what some of the worse overall passers (see Anthony Richardson) excel at.

I think it seems pretty straightforward, teams are setting up to try and force teams to have methodical drives without many negative plays (hence 2 high safeties) and teams are struggling with that, in large part due to O-line play and penalties.
 

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I suspect there’s also an element of defenses totally optimizing themselves to stop the pass as teams pass more and more often, now that they’ve fully realized how much more efficient passing is in most situations. (now being say the past 20 years)

teams will continue to pass until passing is no longer more efficient than running. this means defenses can load up and decrease passing efficiency up to the point where there’s some kind of equilibrium which we haven’t hit yet.
 

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Now: will the NFL let this cat-and-mouse work itself out, or will they legislate offensive dominance? Will they do the equivalent of banning the shift, or legalizing the two line pass?

It’s pretty cool when long-term strategic evolution plays out in sport. Soccer leagues (mostly) can’t change the laws of the game, due to FIFA, which means there’s an incredible sequence of strategic ”vogues” that have followed one another as ways of exploiting inefficiencies are discovered and laid bare. North American sports are more main-lined into capitalism, so they respond with rule changes relatively quickly as a tradition or rules threatens ratings.

I’m cool with 18-14 games for a few years, but I wonder if the NFL will be.
 
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I think this is wildly overblown by football Twitter (and social media)

Scoring generally is more or less in line with the last few years and only about 1 PPG down from the 20 year average since the 2005 rule changes

Sure defenses maybe are a little smarter or adapted to what the offenses are doing but it could also be as simple as a number of terrible offenses, bad/young QB’s and the best QB’s being on teams which are lacking firepower (Chiefs losing some receiving talent, Rams WR’s being hurt).

you also have high octane (in theory) offenses struggling for reasons that have nothing to do with 2 high safety (which if you remember, was blamed for “dead offense” early in 2022). The bengals and Cowboys are flat out struggling, the Dolphins/Tua is hurt, Jordan Love is hurt

I think the terrible OL play, QB injuries, shortened preseason which a lot of teams don’t even take seriously with starting offensive players, and a lack of great offenses (i.e the best QB’s aren’t necessarily paired with high end weapons) is a lot more to blame and I suspect by the time the year ends, scoring will end up right around 21.7-22.0 PPG same as it has been for a few years
 

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Now: will the NFL let this cat-and-mouse work itself out, or will they legislate offensive dominance? Will they do the equivalent of banning the shift, or legalizing the two line pass?

It’s pretty cool when long-term strategic evolution plays out in sport. Soccer leagues (mostly) can’t change the laws of the game, due to FIFA, which means there’s an incredible sequence of strategic ”vogues” that have followed one another as ways of exploiting inefficiencies are discovered and laid bare. North American sports are more main-lined into capitalism, so they respond with rule changes relatively quickly as a tradition or rules threatens ratings.

I’m cool with 18-14 games for a few years, but I wonder if the NFL will be.
Normally, I'd say yes they'll overreact and make some drastic changes, but I don't think they will here. So many games are tight and close deep into the 4th quarter, which makes for good viewing. Also, they've recently moved to emphasize rules that are in favor of the defense e.g. the emphasis on the OL lining up correctly and flagging the illegal man down field penalties more often.
 

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Now: will the NFL let this cat-and-mouse work itself out, or will they legislate offensive dominance? Will they do the equivalent of banning the shift, or legalizing the two line pass?

It’s pretty cool when long-term strategic evolution plays out in sport. Soccer leagues (mostly) can’t change the laws of the game, due to FIFA, which means there’s an incredible sequence of strategic ”vogues” that have followed one another as ways of exploiting inefficiencies are discovered and laid bare. North American sports are more main-lined into capitalism, so they respond with rule changes relatively quickly as a tradition or rules threatens ratings.

I’m cool with 18-14 games for a few years, but I wonder if the NFL will be.
I don’t think any of the North American sports leagues have made a rule change in the past 45* years as impactful as FIFA banning the pass back to the goalie in the 1990s. The recent increase in substitutions from 3 per game to 5 also was a bigger change than we’ve seen recently in other major team sports.

[Edit: Deleted a comment about the 2-line pass, as the Internet says I totally got the history wrong. I’d argue the impact of that rule was far less than expected.]

*- Time frame chosen to exclude the 1978 NFL rule changes and the 1979 introduction of the 3-point shot in the NBA, both of which changed the game far more than anything FIFA has done, though it took decades for teams to unlock the full implications of those changes.
 
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I think the terrible OL play, QB injuries, shortened preseason which a lot of teams don’t even take seriously with starting offensive players, and a lack of great offenses (i.e the best QB’s aren’t necessarily paired with high end weapons) is a lot more to blame and I suspect by the time the year ends, scoring will end up right around 21.7-22.0 PPG same as it has been for a few years
This is my thought too. We'll probably see a slow start to the season, and offenses really starting to ramp up their production around the halfway point of the season.

Even if we just look at rookies, Jayden Daniels threw 15 passes in the preseason. Bo Nix threw 30 passes. Caleb Williams 20. If you compare that to previous rookie preseasons for high draft picks, it's not even close... for example, Eli had 49 preseason attempts as a rookie, Stafford 55, Jameis Winston 47, Sam Bradford 55, Andrew Luck 66, Carson Palmer 54, Cam Newton 57, David Carr 70, Russell Wilson 63, Jay Cutler 62, Drew Brees 71, Joey Harrington 112, Tannehill 78 (caveat: not all of these players started at QB immediately as a rookie)(source). With the reduced emphasis on using preseason games to prepare for the season (and using it more as a proving ground for roster bubble players), it's going to take longer for offenses to get in a groove and start producing.
 

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Brady, Brees, Ben and The Painter retired. Rodgers is 40.

The NFL has gamed the game for QBs but do you see anybody taking snaps that can easily replace that talent?
 

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Maybe there are just fewer guys who have the ability to play QB at a high level in the NFL now given the evolution of defensive play as well as the athleticism of guys on the defensive side of the ball now. 15 years ago it felt like there were always 10 - 15 guys who could play QB at a high level in the NFL consistently, now it feels like there are only a handful.
 

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I don’t think any of the North American sports leagues have made a rule change in the past 45* years as impactful as FIFA banning the pass back to the goalie in the 1990s. The recent increase in substitutions from 3 per game to 5 also was a bigger change than we’ve seen recently in other major team sports.

[Edit: Deleted a comment about the 2-line pass, as the Internet says I totally got the history wrong. I’d argue the impact of that rule was far less than expected.]

*- Time frame chosen to exclude the 1978 NFL rule changes and the 1979 introduction of the 3-point shot in the NBA, both of which changed the game far more than anything FIFA has done, though it took decades for teams to unlock the full implications of those changes.
Baseball making the shift illegal and instituting a pitch clock were two very significant rule changes that are very young. Adding the pitch clock is considerably more impactful than 3 to 5 subs.
 

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The game has changed so much. The NBA has become a league where Magic Johnson was the prototype. Magic could play center, drive the court, pass the ball, dunk, and hit a three. Most guys on the court now have Magic's skillset. Gone are the days of Bill Cartwright and BJ Armstrong.

The NFL has become a league of every defender being like LT. They are fast. They can tackle, drop back, or get the QB. I have no idea how any offense effectively schemes against the talent and tactics used by NFL defenses. Your best hope is you have HOF talent on offense. Otherwise you are at best going to be hot and cold in the league.

I refuse to believe that guys coming out of college playing QB are somehow less talented than they were 15-20 years ago. Olympic records show that athletes get better every generation and not worse.

You don't even see running backs put up careers like those of Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, and Thurman Thomas anymore. Why? The defenders are lightening fast and skilled.

Absent rule changes or finding HOF level talent on offense - the game is likely sloppy for years to come.
 

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I refuse to believe that guys coming out of college playing QB are somehow less talented than they were 15-20 years ago. Olympic records show that athletes get better every generation and not worse.
I don't think it's talent that is the issue, I think it's everything else that comes with being a QB in the NFL. For years it was amazing to see TB12 recognize the defense, audible at the line, change his OL's blocking assignments, and turn a negative play into a huge gain because of how prepared he was for the game. Nowadays, I think too many QBs are so reliant on their amazing physical skills that they aren't as ready to identify blitzes and know exactly what to do with the ball before it's even snapped like QBs 15-20 years ago.
 

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Why would anyone expect a young QB to have the recognition skills and experience that the HoF (and all time NFL greats) guys who have recently retired have? Let them mature.


And good point re physical skills, many of the recent QBs can run and do at the first sign of pressure, and are not pure pocket passers, who needed some guile to buy time to find receivers.
 

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I don't think it's talent that is the issue, I think it's everything else that comes with being a QB in the NFL. For years it was amazing to see TB12 recognize the defense, audible at the line, change his OL's blocking assignments, and turn a negative play into a huge gain because of how prepared he was for the game. Nowadays, I think too many QBs are so reliant on their amazing physical skills that they aren't as ready to identify blitzes and know exactly what to do with the ball before it's even snapped like QBs 15-20 years ago.
There is so much money and incentive to figure this out that if people could do it - they would. You would see emphasis on this from high school on up. They have the advent of VR, a ton of video, and a small army of coaches in the NFL. And if they go to a top 50 college football school they have those things in college. I'm even willing to bet that the Nebraska Cornhuskers have better facilities than the Patriots.

And look, Tom Brady, wasn't Tom Brady when teams could get pressure by rushing 4 guys. He didn't forget how to read defenses in those Giants Super Bowls. They just got in his face.
 

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For passing TDs being down, could it be less than dual threat running QBs as mentioned above? Are QB run scores up? (Someone smaht will post this data...sorry, I'm not good at that even with having Professor Google's constant ear...)

I wonder if clock management is playing into scores being down. Seems like for so many games I see the first quarter ending and each team has had the ball once, maybe twice for the team that received. Unproductive (no points) drives designed to eat the clock, especially by the underdog. Short passing functioning as "run" plays eating clock. Even no huddle drives aren't really intending to speed the game up but merely to prevent substitutions...I dunno. I'm just spitballing.
(Watch someone present real data now showing possessions per game up, and show none of the above real...)
 

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I think this is just a talking point for sports radio at this point. When you look at guys that have been around the league for a stretch - Cousins, Stafford, Geno, Prescott, Rodgers, Dalton - their numbers over the last 3 to 4 seasons are more or less in line with their career numbers. If there was something defenses were doing to affect games, it isn't affecting these guys. Which means that IF cover-2 is impacting QBs, it's the younger guys.

That would just be very surprising to me. Man cover-1 and cover-2 are, like, the first concepts you learn in football as a kid.
 

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There are a bunch of factors here. Some of these were covered in the athletic football show and other pods. A lot of football writers have touched on them as well.

QB play is a big factor. QBs are skewing younger than ever before. Since the Brady and Brees generation retired there is a missing 5-6 years of QBs. From 2010-2015 there are hardly any QBs there who amounted to anything. With the 2010s came a new CBA. That CBA incentivized rookie QBs. There has been and will not be anything as valuable as a rookie QB performing on that rookie QB contract. QB contracts as a % of the cap have skyrocketed from 15% or so in the early to mid 2010s to now 20%+ for the top guys. But even the middle class of QBs is prohibitively expensive. If you have to pay, in many cases 15%+ of the cap for a mid tier guy you might decide to find a rookie instead. Because of that guys like Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, and Sam Darnold aren't retained. Now to be fair most of us wouldn't have guessed these guys would take some huge steps forward, but teams are giving up on rookies quicker than they used to. The problem is that it can take QBs 5+ years to start to peak but no one has that kind of job security whether it is the QB, GM, or HC. And also many QBs won't have a Geno arc - a lot of guys just stay bad. So you don't necessarily know if a guy will make those massive steps forward or not and, again, decision makers don't have the job security to see it out anyway.

Defenses are making huge strides because the pendulum is swinging the other way. Since the death of the prevalence of Seattle style cover-3 we've seen an explosion in different styles of defenses but they all have a couple things in common. They major in disguise and they fuck with pass protection rules. Now, some of you might be thinking to yourselves, hey, didn't Mike Zimmer do that years ago with his casino blitzes? Yes, you're right, but now we are seeing those concepts on steroids. Defenses are also using more and more sim pressures, twists/stunts and line games, and, most importantly, are using clever zones behind it. Remember how when defenses blitzed there would be a hole where the blitzer came from? Now that hole is often filled with a different defender which absolutely fucks with your QB hots. Defenses also used to use a lot more man coverage behind blitzes but not anymore. Defenses are also spinning the dial and disguising coverages now more and more effectively than ever before. The answers to the test aren't nearly as clear before hand or even immediately post snap! It's a lot harder for QBs. KFP is 100% right that a lot of these are rudimentary coverages but defenses are getting to them in unconventional and unpredictable ways. They are also throwing more wrinkles in them like more inverted cover-2 "rain" where the corners and the safeties switch roles (a BB special). So the coverage structure might be conventional but the roles in it are unconventional! Again, more fuckery!

Quick edit re zone blitzes: not only do they take away your hot but now you have to find the new open area all while you are being pressured. Just nasty. Like others have said… before offenses were making defenses react and now defenses are taking it to the offenses.

Offensive line play is also impacted by a lack of practices and coaches haven't figured out the counter to all of these sim pressures, line games, and defenses attacking their pass protection rules.

There is going to be an offensive counter to these new defensive innovations. There always will be. We will see what happens! I love this so much. Things are just getting so sophisticated all around.

Rookie QBs have a hard job these days given all these circumstances. And college defenses can't hold a candle to the complexity of what NFL defenses are doing so it is a baptism by fire.
 
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nice post i think KC Buff and ravens fans are in for a shock by 2030 once their qb legs go their QB will decline quicker than nomal esp buff and balt in 2027
 

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nice post i think KC Buff and ravens fans are in for a shock by 2030 once their qb legs go their QB will decline quicker than nomal esp buff and balt in 2027
Sure but every team in the league would love to have Josh or Patrick. I am pretty sure if your team is great in 2024, 2030 really isn’t relevant. Who cares, we might be dead by 2030.

Plus, Josh is running a bit less and Mahomes doesn’t run in the regular season. Lamar is the one who is going to fall off the cliff.
 

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I feel like QBs in the mold of Allen and Mahomes don't ever really lose their legs. Steve Young and John Elway still rushed for around their career average totals in their final seasons, for instance. As a tool to have in their back pockets I don't think that's going away any time soon. Guys like Lamar are a different story.
 

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I feel like QBs in the mold of Allen and Mahomes don't ever really lose their legs. Steve Young and John Elway still rushed for around their career average totals in their final seasons, for instance. As a tool to have in their back pockets I don't think that's going away any time soon. Guys like Lamar are a different story.
Worrying about Mahomes in 20230 when he's made 4 Super Bowls in 5 years (and won 3) is just a heavy does of copium. No fan in KC is worried about 2030 when they are going for an unprecedented three peat in 2024.
 

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I'll try and find it but someone (Robert Mays maybe?) had a little segment on this and one thing he mentioned is.... there is a QB deadzone as well. An entire generation of QBs that should be right in their sweet spot never happened.... Bradford, Luck, Newton, RGIII, Bridgewater, Mariota, Wentz, etc. Just a huge stretch of guys who due to injury or other issues are not the core starting QBs you would expect them to be.
 

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In addition to all the other great points already made in the thread, I wonder a little bit about WR play and specifically the ability of WRs coming out of college to read defenses and adjust routes. In the big picture, if NFL defenses are getting better at disguising coverages while also playing more zone, it suggests to me that the counter is going to involve offenses learning how to read that out, identify what that defense is giving you in terms of a soft spot to attack, and then being willing to take it. The QB is obviously the focal point for that process but WRs understanding coverages and getting to the right spots on time is a necessity as well and I wonder how well today's WRs are prepped to do that by the college game.

I don't want to make too much of the Jets because I suspect there are some other things going on (like bad offensive coaching and a surly QB who may not have the best relationships with his WRs and team) but this came across my feed this morning as an example.

 

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Unless you were the Giants and got pressure with 4 up the middle.
Getting pressure with four is the key against any QB from any era and usually a game context specific happenstance, not really a strategy. Every team goes into a game hoping to get immediate pressure rushing four. Tampa killed Mahomes with that as well, not exactly a blueprint.
 

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I'll try and find it but someone (Robert Mays maybe?) had a little segment on this and one thing he mentioned is.... there is a QB deadzone as well. An entire generation of QBs that should be right in their sweet spot never happened.... Bradford, Luck, Newton, RGIII, Bridgewater, Mariota, Wentz, etc. Just a huge stretch of guys who due to injury or other issues are not the core starting QBs you would expect them to be.
It was his pod with Mitchell Schwartz last week or two weeks ago.