When is the realistic Add/Drop deadline for this team?

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Of all the things the Sox can do if and when the plug is pulled--and I really don't expect it to happen before the end of July--the one thing I really can't convince myself of its bringing Vazquez up.

So please, convince me.

Also, if we aren't going to win, having the top pick would be sexy.
 

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Rasputin said:
Of all the things the Sox can do if and when the plug is pulled--and I really don't expect it to happen before the end of July--the one thing I really can't convince myself of its bringing Vazquez up.
So please, convince me.

Also, if we aren't going to win, having the top pick would be sexy.
Check his thread in the ML forum. Kid has had an over .800 OPS since a shitty few weeks in May.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Check his thread in the ML forum. Kid has had an over .800 OPS since a shitty few weeks in May.
I am well aware of that. He also has a tendency to take a long time to adjust to a new level.
 

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I am well aware of that. He also has a tendency to take a long time to adjust to a new level.
Might as well start that process this season then, when they're already not competing. Wouldn't you rather him work out his struggles in meaningless games?
 

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What's the downside of calling of Vazquez? Start the adjustment process earlier, get him working with David Ross and some of the pitchers, make room for Swihart to get his feet wet at AAA. If he's going to flop, it's better to find it out now than when we're trying to be competitive next year.
 

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MakMan44 said:
Might as well start that process this season then, when they're already not competing. Wouldn't you rather him work out his struggles in meaningless games?
Maybe. I can't really put my finger on any downside.

Assuming we trade Drew and Peavy, we'd be looking at times at center, right, short, catcher, two rotation spots and that's not including Middlebrooks who still feels like a rookie and who definitely has something to prove.

Hell, if we trade Gomes, we might call up Brentz and have an outfield of Daniel Nava and four rookies.
 

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Hoplite said:
What's the downside of calling of Vazquez? Start the adjustment process earlier, get him working with David Ross and some of the pitchers, make room for Swihart to get his feet wet at AAA. If he's going to flop, it's better to find it out now than when we're trying to be competitive next year.
Isn't developmental time important? He's had 266 PA at Pawtucket with decent but not spectacular results. Should they call up Swihart too?
 

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Same with Drew, he has no purpose now. You're not going to magically get more for him two weeks from now if he hits a little bit, everyone knows who Steven Drew is. Find a taker and move him on so we can give his playing time to a young player. He's blocking young players now and we're not going to trick anyone into paying more if he gets a few hits.  
 Another thing is that if you are in the "X moving from SS helped wreck him at the plate" camp and don't want him bouncing around in season going forward, the Sox really need the next 70 games to decide if X is a SS to plan for '15.  If X is going to play SS, then maybe they think harder about trading Marrero this offseason, particularly if he keeps hitting and they're not sure its for real.  If they aren't confident X is going to be a SS, then they need to decide if Middlebrooks has value at a corner OF and probably sign a caretaker before giving Marrero a shot there when he's ready (maybe Stephen Drew will be available!).
 
They're going to get less for Drew than I thought they would, but those are the breaks. 
 

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Isn't developmental time important? He's had 266 PA at Pawtucket with decent but not spectacular results. Should they call up Swihart too?
Well the difference is that Vazquez has an actual chance at being the starter catcher next season. So it's more important to expose him to MLB pitching, especially since it's likely to come with no impact to contending. 
 

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Rasputin said:
I am well aware of that. He also has a tendency to take a long time to adjust to a new level.
He did in the move from rookie ball to A ball and A ball to AA (which was a really small sample), but his AA to AAA transition saw a strong April followed by a down may, one of the best months of his career this June, and a strong start to July.  Maybe he's just the kind of guy who warms up with the weather.

 
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Isn't developmental time important? He's had 266 PA at Pawtucket with decent but not spectacular results. Should they call up Swihart too?
It is important, but Vazquez has always been viewed as a guy who would finish his development as a hitter in the majors because his defense was ML ready about two years ago.
 
Now he's doing more than holding his own against AAA pitching without much of a AAA sample before this season to learn from, suggesting the bat is arriving a bit faster than expected.  He's only a few months away from full time ML action anyway, so I'd much rather give him the additional time to adjust defensively and avoid any foibles on that end in 2015 even if that means a minor stall in offensive development.  Plus if he is a guy who struggles the first time at a level better to get that out of the way now before the wins and losses reset.
 

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moondog80 said:
Isn't developmental time important? He's had 266 PA at Pawtucket with decent but not spectacular results. Should they call up Swihart too?
 
Of course it is. But I don't buy the theory that if you bring a player up "too early" that it ruins them forever. So if we call up Vazquez and he sucks, we could send him back down. Also, given Swihart's recent production, I don't think Vazquez is the catcher of the future. Swihart is the player I think the front office will be more cautious with.
 

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Apparently the FO hasn't reached the add/drop deadline yet.

 
The Red Sox are indeed in talks with a few teams, including the Cardinals, with Jake Peavy and other names coming up. But that doesn't necessarily mean the Red Sox are waving the white flag.
 
Boston wouldn't mind using talented rookie Rubby De La Rosa in the rotation, and Peavy is currently blocking his path. Additionally, Peavy, a loser of seven straight (though much of that is due to a lack of support) may frankly be better suited to go back to the NL at this stage of his career.
 
While the defending World Series champs are struggling, and could end up having to conduct a more extensive sale later, word is they aren't yet prepared to give up in a surprisingly unimposing AL East. That could change if the slide continues, but don't expect them to shop stars like Koji Uehara or even pending free agent Jon Lester anytime soon.
 
 
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glennhoffmania said:
Apparently the FO hasn't reached the add/drop deadline yet.
 
 
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I'm not sure why anyone would expect the team with the most expensive tickets in baseball to publicly wave the white flag.  It also could backfire if the media and fans start getting carried away with trade talk but Ben doesn't find any deals that he likes and the 7/31 deadline is a dud.
 

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I'll be interested to see how dealing Lackey, discussed elsewhere, would not be taken as dumping an oil drum of Clorox on every damn thing.

Spin cycle.
 

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@alexspeier: Farrell: 'I wouldn't say the white flag is being waved. ... Inside the clubhouse, that feeling doesn't exist.'
 
So they aren't waving the white flag publicly, but they're clearly moving on to '15.
 

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Yeah Farrell can try to spin it but when you say you're investing in young players when you're in last place heading into the ASB you're waving something.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
Yeah Farrell can try to spin it but when you say you're investing in young players when you're in last place heading into the ASB you're waving something.
 
Wait, you're worried about semantics?