I don't see Minnesota sending out its pick and only getting Russell back. If a trade like this were to happen for Beal or any other superstar, I would guess that Golden State would have to include future unprotected picks (like 2022 and beyond) and pick swaps to make it happen.
What's the big deal?
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Hmm, I doubt it, based on everything we've heard. Beyond the fact that DLo is an ideal fit there in terms of age, position, and skillset, he's also BFFs with Towns, the last person they want to disgruntle. They may try to play hardball on the pick, but ultimately I think they're agreeing to any deal that pairs KAT and DLo.
Edit: as Bowiac notes, it'd have to wait till the offseason, though. In any case, it's another potential fish that makes me think the Warriors will wait till the offseason to explore DLo moves, unless they're blown away before Thursday. He turns a ripe old 24 at the end of this month, but I kinda doubt he's a depreciating asset as a 6-10 wingspanned PG putting up 26.7 pts / 7.1 ast per 36 on .563 true shooting and sinking the third most threes per game in the league, after Harden and Lillard.
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Well, they would be getting rid of Wiggins which is a huge addition by subtraction. I'm not entirely sure Minnesota would say no. I'm not sure they say yes either. I think Washington definitely makes that deal, GS too.
I can think of 117 million reasons why. And I doubt it.
Was anyone else offering Russell a max?
Sure, and I'd rather play for the Golden State organization. But you don't think it's odd for the trade talk to start near instantly after a guy signs such a major deal? If you're the next D'Angel Russell and have 5 offers on the table and one is from GS, you're not going to pause a bit?
If he had 5 team offering him the max, maybe. I'm not sure that was the case. I don't think it's that odd, the same thing is happening to Al Horford.
D'Lo Russell doesn't (didn't) have a great rep around the league.
At least with Horford it looks like there may be a bad fit that wasn't clear at the time, and maybe he'd be happy to leave. The Russell stuff started before the first practice.
I would imagine his agent made it pretty clear that GSW was likely signing him for the full max just because they were able to execute the sign and trade with BRK. I think that was the issue with MIN signing him is that they didn't have the cap space, or anyone like KD to offer in a sign and trade.
He was traded there in a sign and trade. He was going to become a restricted free agent so this was the best contract he could get. The warriors made no mystery that he was there as a contract and trade bait, but they wanted to kick the tires first. We are in the tire kicking part of the transaction.
I think that deal works all the way around this summer.
Wizards initially say NO, but if Beal says DEAL ME then they do it. Beal's defense/effort this season cost him an All-Star appearance, so that gets worse if he's unhappy.
2 top 5 picks plus their own kickstarts a legit re-build.*
Minn says YES. Wiggins is awful. Getting KAT into the right mindset before he pulls an AD has to be the GMs top priority.
Warriors say YES since Beal becomes motivated and starts playing defense again.
*If the Wizards have an inkling they are doing a re-build then deal Bertans/Wagner to the C's for VP/TL/ Carsen + 1st round pick by Thursday
Wagner? Moritz Wagner? He'd be part of their rebuild. He's under contract for 2 more years after this one at cheap money and isn't even 23 yet.I think that deal works all the way around this summer.
Wizards initially say NO, but if Beal says DEAL ME then they do it. Beal's defense/effort this season cost him an All-Star appearance, so that gets worse if he's unhappy.
2 top 5 picks plus their own kickstarts a legit re-build.*
Minn says YES. Wiggins is awful. Getting KAT into the right mindset before he pulls an AD has to be the GMs top priority.
Warriors say YES since Beal becomes motivated and starts playing defense again.
*If the Wizards have an inkling they are doing a re-build then deal Bertans/Wagner to the C's for VP/TL/ Carsen + 1st round pick by Thursday
Maybe if they preferred TL but I have a hard time imaging that.
Thomas Bryant is their starter. TL back up.
Fine take Wagner out and replace TL w/Semi. Mil 1st instead of Celtic 1st
I'm not sweating getting a bench 5. Some see demand for them, I don't
I love the idea but there's a reason you want Wagner over TL. He was lighting it up earlier this year and has the shooting pedigree. He played last night for the first time in about 2 months.
I'd love landing just Bertrans too though. I'd be fine with that offer. Just not sure VP+Semi+Carsen and a first is enough.
I actually like Bryant more but he was too expensive. Wagner can shoot, Brad would make him very useful.
If Brad/Danny really liked Wagner a lot, then maybe Memphis pick/VP(1yr)/TL(2yrs)/CE(3yrs) would be a nice haul of cheap assets for 2months of Bertans and 2 yrs of Wagner
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I meant you like Wagner more than Time Lord. I like Bryant more than Wagner too. Wagner vs TL is tougher but I think I'd go with Wagner.
CBS would get the best out of Wagner as he's done with all his 5s.
I actually really didn't look that closely at Wagner, he's pretty skilled offensively. Maybe he's a consolation prize if they fail on Bertans/Bjelica?
I just don't see why the Wizards would move him. Wagner is under control for 2 more years after this season and is only 22 years old. In a re-building process, he's the type of guy you keep. I get Thomas Bryant may change things a little but I'm not sure they have to make a choice yet.
Wagner shot the 3 pretty well in college and has improved greatly at the line as a pro. I'd love to have him I just don't see it.
Future free agents will, theoretically, be unrestricted and free to go where they please. Mr. DARcy was an RFA and at about 15 minutes after midnight the opening bell the Nets called his agent and said, "We have a sign & trade worked out with the Warriors where your guy gets the max," and that was that. His other option was to do the Marcus Smart thing and sit around waiting for an offer or to be renounced.
I don’t think that Detroit would trade him, but a guy I’d love to see them try to get is Christian Wood. A big that can do it all offensively and is athletic enough to cover smaller players while only costing about 1.6 million. Like all young players he has his lapses, but it’s also the kind of talent that I’d think Stevens could really utilize
Windhorst just said on The Jump that “the chances of a Tristan Thompson buyout have increased dramatically.” He added: “The Boston Celtics would be major in the market for him.”
buyout market makes sense for TT, but wouldn't he go to theKlutchers Lakers
buyout market makes sense for TT, but wouldn't he go to the
I don’t know that he helps the Lakers much given their roster construction. Windhorst is very plugged in to all things in the LeBronosphere, so he’s a strong source here.
The Celtics would be a way better place for TT to showcase himself prior to FA—he needs to get paid one more time.
Aldridge reporting there will be NO TT BUYOUT
Ha Ha LeBronosphere
Who do the C's cut for the buyouts?
I was kind of hoping for a 3 for 1 deal to open 2 roster spots for buyouts.
It's very tough to cut VP, unless they are signing another big. I'd say just about impossible, just because you want to have some depth in case something happens to Theis or Kanter.
Other than that, I don't really know who they cut. Semi, maybe. Wouldn't they take a huge hit to cut Edwards?
Other than that, I don't really know who they cut. Semi, maybe. Wouldn't they take a huge hit to cut Edwards?
It would be something like a 660k per year against the cap each year for 5 years to waive and stretch Edwards
the Time Lord picked the wrong era to play in
The Celtics have Theis, Kanter, Grant, TL, VP and Tacko on their 17 man roster.
Theis and Grant are signed for next season, so they're back.
I'd say the four bolded constitute 4 classic "real" bigs. I'd rather see Danny have a couple of classic bigs on the roster next season. If they could add a Saric or Grant on the cheap, I'd rather have them fill a roster spot then TL or VP or Fall.