What's left this off season?

Jed Zeppelin

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Was hoping Begarin would stick around too to get a dev guy in the room at all three positions. Excited about his progress, you want your best prospects to look like the best players on the floor in SL. A lot to work with there and drafting actual NBA players with only 2nd round picks would be an amazing additional feather in POBOBS’ cap.

It’s just SL but if he can pick up the rotations on D Kabengele can absolutely hang and do some Theis-like things, ideally with better shooting and less ref hatred. He is bulkier and, I hope, a little better able to hold his own. I suspect he’ll have a tough time getting switched onto NBA guards but that’s true of most bigs and he seems to move his feet fairly well at least.
 

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This, from Jay King's latest in The Athletic, is a little surprising. Maybe the C's see Hauser and Ryan as redundant.

Matt Ryan, a Celtics summer-league standout who finished last season as the team’s other two-way contract player, now sounds less likely to return to Boston. He has fully recovered from a summer ankle injury, according to a league source.

https://theathletic.com/3472316/2022/08/03/boston-celtics-roster-training-camp/
 

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This, from Jay King's latest in The Athletic, is a little surprising. Maybe the C's see Hauser and Ryan as redundant.

Matt Ryan, a Celtics summer-league standout who finished last season as the team’s other two-way contract player, now sounds less likely to return to Boston. He has fully recovered from a summer ankle injury, according to a league source.

https://theathletic.com/3472316/2022/08/03/boston-celtics-roster-training-camp/
I think seeing 2 fringe prospects as redundant would be a mistake - since there are no guarantees about either one, keeping both gives a better chance to hit on one.

This seems more like a case where the Celtics aren't willing to go beyond a 2-way and Ryan can do better elsewhere. Or, Ryan would take a 2-way but the Celtics don't have a slot right now.
 

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This, from Jay King's latest in The Athletic, is a little surprising. Maybe the C's see Hauser and Ryan as redundant.

Matt Ryan, a Celtics summer-league standout who finished last season as the team’s other two-way contract player, now sounds less likely to return to Boston. He has fully recovered from a summer ankle injury, according to a league source.

https://theathletic.com/3472316/2022/08/03/boston-celtics-roster-training-camp/
I doubt this is a case of the Celtics thinking Ryan/Hauser are redundant.

My guess is they invited Ryan to camp, but he's looking to find some guaranteed money out there somewhere first. For a guy that was working as a delivery guy just over a year ago, I'd imagine he'd take any guaranteed money just about anywhere in the world right now.
 

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It feels like the worst consequence of letting a player like Ryan go is that sometime during the dog days of the NBA season (January through March) when load management is in full effect, Ryan goes like 10-14 from deep for the Heat/Thunder/Jazz etc and Cs fans get bitter online.

Its hard to see the Cs regretting letting him go during the meaningful part of the season but per the great philosopher Kevin Garnett anything is possible.
 

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They seem to like redundancy given the Vonleh/Cabocolo/Kabengele/Kornet backup center grouping.
mostly camp deals, they won't all make the final roster.

Ryan is at best a deep bench JAG, he's a 26 year old with limited upside, I don't want them burning a roster spot on him if they can help it
 

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It feels like the worst consequence of letting a player like Ryan go is that sometime during the dog days of the NBA season (January through March) when load management is in full effect, Ryan goes like 10-14 from deep for the Heat/Thunder/Jazz etc and Cs fans get bitter online.

Its hard to see the Cs regretting letting him go during the meaningful part of the season but per the great philosopher Kevin Garnett anything is possible.
He's definitely capable of that, I was at this game and he was AWESOME. One of the best ones I've been to in a few years.
 

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It wouldn't shock me if Brad started the season with 14 on the roster w/ Davidson* being 1 of the 14.

Brad could replace JD's two-way slot + add one of Vonleh or Bruno to the roster

Then wait to sign #15 during the buyout window (or potentially use a TPE to get what they want before that)

I'm not advocating this, but it is a way to save a few $$$ if they have reached Wyc's threshold. Brad may want to allocate the last few bullets for a potentially better back-up 5 in Jan/Feb


*In addition to the other players fighting for a roster spot, Davison’s situation is one to monitor. Though Davison is currently signed to a two-way contract, the Celtics could save a bit of money by converting him to a standard NBA deal. For luxury-tax purposes, a minimum salary for him would count as roughly half the salary of another player because of Davison’s status as a drafted rookie. Those savings could matter given the tax bill the Celtics are projected to incur, but ownership has insisted it will spend without limitations this season.
 

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It wouldn't shock me if Brad started the season with 14 on the roster w/ Davidson* being 1 of the 14.

Brad could replace JD's two-way slot + add one of Vonleh or Bruno to the roster

Then wait to sign #15 during the buyout window (or potentially use a TPE to get what they want before that)

I'm not advocating this, but it is a way to save a few $$$ if they have reached Wyc's threshold. Brad may want to allocate the last few bullets for a potentially better back-up 5 in Jan/Feb


*In addition to the other players fighting for a roster spot, Davison’s situation is one to monitor. Though Davison is currently signed to a two-way contract, the Celtics could save a bit of money by converting him to a standard NBA deal. For luxury-tax purposes, a minimum salary for him would count as roughly half the salary of another player because of Davison’s status as a drafted rookie. Those savings could matter given the tax bill the Celtics are projected to incur, but ownership has insisted it will spend without limitations this season.
this seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.
 

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this seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.
I think the multiplier is 3.5X so every $$$ counts. Ownership claims there are no limitations but being practical isn't the worst quality

JD Davidson's development would not be impacted if he's on a two-way or on the 15-man roster. He will shuttle back and forth between Boston/Maine no matter where he resides on the roster.

Over cap teams can make decent use out of 2nd round picks with basically 17 spots these days.
 
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this seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.
Having Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.
 

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Having Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.
Yep, Brad will use 2nd rounders + AAAA seasoned G-Leaguers on 2yr deals (2nd yr non-gtd) to fill out #13-17 (#16/17 Two-ways are basically cheap NBA slots). Don't expect veteran, ring-chasing, 30yr olds to populate the end of the roster

One of the better outcomes would be some development from Begarin/Davidson so they could be used for future trade bait

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/8/5/23286366/dealing-future-firsts-extends-the-title-window-brad-stevens-derrick-white-malcolm-brogdon
 

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Yep, Brad will use 2nd rounders + AAAA seasoned G-Leaguers on 2yr deals (2nd yr non-gtd) to fill out #13-17 (#16/17 Two-ways are basically cheap NBA slots). Don't expect veteran, ring-chasing, 30yr olds to populate the end of the roster

One of the better outcomes would be some development from Begarin/Davidson so they could be used for future trade bait

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/8/5/23286366/dealing-future-firsts-extends-the-title-window-brad-stevens-derrick-white-malcolm-brogdon
15 is gonna be empty is my guess. That's the "we aren't playing 17 guys, and we might want to add a buyout, so let's save the owners a bunch of money" slot.
 

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I think the multiplier is 3.5X so every $$$ counts. Ownerships claims there are no limitations but being practical isn't the worst quality

JD's Davidson's development would not be impacted one iota if he's on a two-way or on the 15-man roster. He will shuttle back and forth between Boston/Maine no matter where he resides.

Over cap teams can make decent use out of 2nd round picks with basically 17 spots these days.
Exactly. The rookie minimum is just over 1M. The minimum for a guy with 1 year of experience is 1.6M, 2 years is 1.8M. Given the tax multiples the Celtics' face (3.25-3.5), the value of JD versus a non-rookie occupying a roster spot is between 2M and 2.6M. Brad would need to have a really convincing case that the vet he wants in that 14th roster spot versus JD is going to materially impact the Celtics title chances. Same concept with leaving the 15th roster spot vacant.
 

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Didn’t JDD sign his two way deal before he played well in Vegas? Assuming he looks like an NBA player, he should earn a 2nd round guaranteed deal that locks him up for low money. I actually see him getting minutes this season, probably garbage time mop up duty on nights when other guards are out due to injury and he dresses.
 

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Didn’t JDD sign his two way deal before he played well in Vegas? Assuming he looks like an NBA player, he should earn a 2nd round guaranteed deal that locks him up for low money. I actually see him getting minutes this season, probably garbage time mop up duty on nights when other guards are out due to injury and he dresses.
Yeah, seems like a clear "lock him up for very low 4-year money rather than do RFA in a year" type guy.
 

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He's definitely capable of that, I was at this game and he was AWESOME. One of the best ones I've been to in a few years.
This struck me as the least impressive 37 point performance I have seen in awhile based on those highlights. He just didn’t look like a classic, smooth “shooter” to me by the eye-test (which may be shit, I know). A lucky bank shot, a lucky fallaway 3 at the buzzer, 2-3 rattled in 3-pointers, and a couple of leaning-in 3-pointers that feel like they would be blocked in an NBA game. There were definitely 3-4 spot-up knockdown 3’s that looked crisp, and a bunch of layups, but this looked like a gym rat that had a hot night and not a legit NBA deep threat to me.

I could be totally wrong.
 

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Having Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.
The initial two-way gives the team more options; he can always be converted to a standard contract at the team's discretion. All the team needs is an open roster spot, which should not be a problem for the Celtics. Also, not to be a pedant, but can we just be clear that the name is Davison?