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Could Derrick Favors fit the back Time Lord and Al role? I can't imagine they'd need to give OKC too much for him. Can he fit in one of the trade exceptions?
Favors makes $10.2m & hasn't really been good at basketball for a while. Would only do it as a minimum after a buyout.
 

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Could Derrick Favors fit the back Time Lord and Al role? I can't imagine they'd need to give OKC too much for him. Can he fit in one of the trade exceptions?
adding anyone on the TPE gets real expensive (3-4X TAX/every dollar spent now )

wouldn't expect them to use more than $5M of a TPE in lieu of a vet minimum. I believe opening the season with a 14-man roster may help.

This table will help visualize the difference between paying tax and paying TAX. Going from $15 million over to $30 million over more than triples the tax.

How does the NBA's luxury tax work?
 

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I’m kind of stunned at the amount of posts on Pat Bev…

1. Our guard depth (especially PG) is stacked. There really isn’t a need for him on this roster at all.

2. Why would he want to come here? There are numerous other destinations which provide a path to more PT for him
 

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The Kornet signing is kind of a head scratcher - must be a make good for sitting in Maine all of last year or something? He wasn't good enough to make the team (or any NBA team) last year until after buyout season where he filled the very end of the bench, and there are a lot more options available right now. With the luxury tax, cutting and replacing a minimum guy is super expensive. I hope Brad doesn't regret this one.
They wouldn't have to cut him. Someone would take him off their hands for some cash if it came to that
 

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Favors makes $10.2m & hasn't really been good at basketball for a while. Would only do it as a minimum after a buyout.
I just assume that if anyone mentions a guy like Favors, they are talking about the world after which he is cut.

I do think OKC will end up having to dump a couple of people who will have a chance to contribute elsewhere. That said I see people throw Kenrich into the same boat, and my understanding is they love him, and he is a guy they are looking at as a veteran glue guy. If he becomes available I think it is only with compensation going to OKC
 

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I’m kind of stunned at the amount of posts on Pat Bev…
1. Our guard depth (especially PG) is stacked. There really isn’t a need for him on this roster at all.
2. Why would he want to come here? There are numerous other destinations which provide a path to more PT for him
1.) I think many of us are a lot less confident about PG depth than you. Brogden looks like a guy that the C's may need to pamper all season. I don't think it would be too surprising if he played sparingly in the regular season, with the hope being that this will make it more likely he'll be available in the playoffs. I also think there is some hope that Beverley could offer some wing depth as well. He's not tall but he's a tough defender who is regularly assigned to guard taller players. He's obviously a huge upgrade over Pritchard on defense and he also shoots the 3-ball well.
2.) He's 33 and may like to get a ring at some point in his career. The Cs would look like the best option for him to do that. Also, the original interest was predicated on him being bought out and available for the vet minimum. I don't think there is any chance the Cs would take him on for his current salary of $13 million per year.
 

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I just assume that if anyone mentions a guy like Favors, they are talking about the world after which he is cut.

I do think OKC will end up having to dump a couple of people who will have a chance to contribute elsewhere. That said I see people throw Kenrich into the same boat, and my understanding is they love him, and he is a guy they are looking at as a veteran glue guy. If he becomes available I think it is only with compensation going to OKC
Yeah, the post I was responding to was about trade compensation & TPEs, though.

Another team which might have too many guys is the Clippers.

For the 2-4 spots they have...

Kawhi
PGeorge
Batum
Mann
NORM
RoCo
Marcus Morris
Coffey
Kennard
Boston Jr

I guess some combo of that is also the backup 5, but that's an insane # of bodies & you'd think the Clippers would want to do...something.

Not sure what the fit is with the Celtics exactly as I think the main thing the Clippers need is a backup 5, not a Grant/PP type (they have RJax/Wall to play point).
 

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The link that Crazy/Lazy provides says that the full $4.5M is guaranteed.
That's just spotrac.

Anything in purple on their site is just a guesstimate.

I'd bet pretty heavily he has 100K guaranteed at most.

I wouldn't even be surprised if it's zero guarantee.

I can't even imagine a scenario that Kornet makes the team on whatever two year contract he signed. He wouldn't even qualify for the veteran minimum benefit a team gets because you need to be on a one year deal only.
 
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This is why I think there's still another fairly big move to come.

I think they see Jaylen as a guard too, and if he just plays the first 4 minutes of halves at guard, that would still leave only 88 minutes a night for Smart, Brogdon, White and a little bit of Pritchard at guard. If Jaylen plays even more guard, it's an even tougher crunch.

I know there will be injuries, but it's tough to get all those guys enough minutes when there aren't.

A guard for forward flip would ease that a bit.
How is 88 minutes to spread among three players (Pritchard doesn’t really count) a crunch, even if you assume we never play 3 “guards” together? Especially since those 3 players will only all play in maybe half of all games, assuming pretty good health.
 

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I just assume that if anyone mentions a guy like Favors, they are talking about the world after which he is cut.

I do think OKC will end up having to dump a couple of people who will have a chance to contribute elsewhere. That said I see people throw Kenrich into the same boat, and my understanding is they love him, and he is a guy they are looking at as a veteran glue guy. If he becomes available I think it is only with compensation going to OKC
Kenrich never started a game and was 9th in minutes played just ahead of Roby (who started 28gms). People endlessly go on how important it is to be a starter in the NBA, yet a tanker couldn't get their "veteran glue guy" one start?

Odd way to show their love.

Brad wouldn't give up more than a Boston 2nd for him.
 

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Pat Bev is not a guy I want any part of. We have 3 guys who do what he does better. He's not a real shooter, he's a Rondo style nobody covers him shooter. Also, his #1 trait has always been that he does stupid things that hurt his team in crunch time and he has zero composure. Pat Bev is the guy you get if you are so desperate for an on ball defender you can't help it.
 

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The Kornet signing is kind of a head scratcher - must be a make good for sitting in Maine all of last year or something? He wasn't good enough to make the team (or any NBA team) last year until after buyout season where he filled the very end of the bench, and there are a lot more options available right now. With the luxury tax, cutting and replacing a minimum guy is super expensive. I hope Brad doesn't regret this one.
This seems logical to me. We have roster spots to fill and one of those are depth at the 5. There aren’t a lot of 7-footers in this world who can compete at this level and right now Kornet and Gallo are the insurance for TL/Horford. Who are the other 7-footers that are……

- capable of stepping on an NBA floor
- would be willing to sit on the end of the bench,
- who would accept this role
- that would be a better fit?

I like the Hauser signing as well since the option is to lose him as he showed well in his brief time on the floor and surely he would be gone will a lesser deal. Someone has to fill these roster spots who isn’t going to demand playing time and be a pain in the ass like most people who go to a place where they demand playing time. Kornet and Hauser aren’t going to be headaches in this regard.

I don’t see the PatBev fit at all unless you move Pritchard and find a way to get him minutes. As said in prior paragraph, you aren’t going to lure guys here to not play or the result generally isn’t pretty. Have we forgotten Ainge’s awful roster construction his final few years? Surely, Brad hasn’t bc he’s the one who had to deal with the BS 24/7.
 
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Pat Bev is not a guy I want any part of. We have 3 guys who do what he does better. He's not a real shooter, he's a Rondo style nobody covers him shooter. Also, his #1 trait has always been that he does stupid things that hurt his team in crunch time and he has zero composure. Pat Bev is the guy you get if you are so desperate for an on ball defender you can't help it.
This.

Not to go all "team chemistry", as this is overblown and our core is now all old enough to rent cars and shit, we already have guys that do what he does and bring the intensity that he does. The downside risk to bringing a quarter stick of dynamite into a locker room that just went to game 6 of the NBA finals greatly outweighs the potential benefits (even at low cost).

I feel the same way about Mook honestly, and he checks way more boxes that Bev.
 

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How is 88 minutes to spread among three players (Pritchard doesn’t really count) a crunch, even if you assume we never play 3 “guards” together? Especially since those 3 players will only all play in maybe half of all games, assuming pretty good health.
Because those three "guards" combined to average 93 minutes per game last year, and that 88 minutes would be with Jaylen playing only 8 minutes at guard a night, when he played the vast majority of his minutes at guard last year. And of course Pritchard counts, you're not going to play him zero minutes a night, then call on him to play when someone else is out of the lineup.

Also, I don't know why you'd ever play those three guards together. When they play small, it's Tatum at the 4 Jaylen at the 3. And Ime only does that to close halves. What makes anyone think he wants to play even smaller, when they've also added another big to the rotation?
 

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This seems logical to me. We have roster spots to fill and one of those are depth at the 5. There aren’t a lot of 7-footers in this world who can compete at this level and right now Kornet and Gallo are the insurance for TL/Horford. Who are the other 7-footers that are……

- capable of stepping on an NBA floor
- would be willing to sit on the end of the bench,
- who would accept this role
- that would be a better fit?

I like the Hauser signing as well since the option is to lose him as he showed well in his brief time on the floor and surely he would be gone will a lesser deal. Someone has to fill these roster spots who isn’t going to demand playing time and be a pain in the ass like most people who go to a place where they demand playing time. Kornet and Hauser aren’t going to be headaches in this regard.

I don’t see the PatBev fit at all unless you move Pritchard and find a way to get him minutes. As said in prior paragraph, you aren’t going to lure guys here to not play or the result generally isn’t pretty. Have we forgotten Ainge’s awful roster construction his final few years? Surely, Brad hasn’t bc he’s the one who had to deal with the BS 24/7.
With Bryant off the board look for

1. Defense-first Center, rim protector that will play 3rd string behind TL/Al (or a beef center). At this point, just need a better 5 than Luke Kornet until buy-out season forms in February. The jury is out (literally) on Trez but trust Brad knows the situation there. Hassan Whiteside is the best available vet for this role, but expect him to go back to Utah.

2. Defense-first Wing, C's actually have plenty of scoring/shooting from the bench now (Brogdon/Gallo/Grant/Pritch/Hauser). A deep bench Wing that gets up under/physical with an opposing wing could add some value. Brad could kick the tires on Kessler Edwards, if he wants a developmental player here.

Nobody pays for D (except for Minnesota :eek:) so getting those guys on vet min deals is doable. Maybe Durant/Kyrie/Ayton collateral damage frees up a useful player. Boston could be patient here and wait until opening night to fill these slots.

Pat Bev makes no sense roster and $$$ wise, unless there is some monster deal that moves one of Smart or White.

Obviously, good locker room guys that know their role need only apply
 

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Nobody pays for D (except for Minnesota :eek:) so getting those guys on vet min deals is doable. Maybe Durant/Kyrie/Ayton collateral damage frees up a useful player. Boston could be patient here and wait until opening night to fill these slots.
Great post. Pulled out one part here...Brad is lurking, and his ship has no leaks. Teams are making some business decisions, prioritizing finances above talent in some cases (notwithstanding some of the monster deals that were handed out). It seems that Kyrie has to happen in this offseason and Durant almost certainly will. Given the complexity of deals like that and the true need on the part of Brooklyn to move to the next stage, being a team that can take salary has real benefit. Doesn't mean that we will (or want to), but who knows what might shake out. And with a team of desirable assets, we have options. For that reason, I concur that there's a good chance that even if nothing more happens for us right now, that doesn't mean that it won't. I'm not imagining any team photo in my mind until we're into game one into the season. Of course stuff can always happen at the trade deadline and such, but I'd wait until we start playing games that count before imagining rotations. If I were most of the players on this team, I wouldn't go house shopping until Durant and Kyrie leave Brooklyn.
 

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This.

Not to go all "team chemistry", as this is overblown and our core is now all old enough to rent cars and shit, we already have guys that do what he does and bring the intensity that he does. The downside risk to bringing a quarter stick of dynamite into a locker room that just went to game 6 of the NBA finals greatly outweighs the potential benefits (even at low cost).

I feel the same way about Mook honestly, and he checks way more boxes that Bev.
Honestly to me the thing about Pat Bev isn't even lockerroom. It's on-court. He's an absolute disaster late in games, he has no composure. MIN brought him in to bring toughness (maybe worked) and veteran leadership... in the playoffs he was one of the worst offenders in all their meltdowns.
Also... while Westbrook was wrong about the "he's just running around" thing.... he wasn't totally wrong, Pat Bev is not an elite defender, and he's very much matchup based at his age, he'll harrass small guys, but big guys body him, the quickest guys blow by him, and half the time he's giving away dumb fouls 40 feet from the basket.
 

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This seems logical to me. We have roster spots to fill and one of those are depth at the 5. There aren’t a lot of 7-footers in this world who can compete at this level and right now Kornet and Gallo are the insurance for TL/Horford. Who are the other 7-footers that are……

- capable of stepping on an NBA floor
- would be willing to sit on the end of the bench,
- who would accept this role
- that would be a better fit?

I like the Hauser signing as well since the option is to lose him as he showed well in his brief time on the floor and surely he would be gone will a lesser deal. Someone has to fill these roster spots who isn’t going to demand playing time and be a pain in the ass like most people who go to a place where they demand playing time. Kornet and Hauser aren’t going to be headaches in this regard.

I don’t see the PatBev fit at all unless you move Pritchard and find a way to get him minutes. As said in prior paragraph, you aren’t going to lure guys here to not play or the result generally isn’t pretty. Have we forgotten Ainge’s awful roster construction his final few years? Surely, Brad hasn’t bc he’s the one who had to deal with the BS 24/7.
PP for Naz Reid. Sign Beverly. Last part isn't really necessary, Pat Beverly is totally redundant on this team.

Reid is on his last year and PP has 1 year left after this, but meh. Granted, I haven't seen that much of Naz Reid but I'm guessing he has to be better than Luke Kornet. Whether he's worth moving an asset for, I dunno. He looks appealing on paper though. Turns 23 this year, can score a bit, block shots, hit a 3. Turns the ball over way too much.
 

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PP for Naz Reid. Sign Beverly. Last part isn't really necessary, Pat Beverly is totally redundant on this team.

Reid is on his last year and PP has 1 year left after this, but meh. Granted, I haven't seen that much of Naz Reid but I'm guessing he has to be better than Luke Kornet. Whether he's worth moving an asset for, I dunno. He looks appealing on paper though. Turns 23 this year, can score a bit, block shots, hit a 3. Turns the ball over way too much.
Naz for PP is a pretty fair deal, but I'm not sure if that's the guy that I'm burning the PP chip on. Maybe. I haven't seen him a ton either, but his standing reach is closer to Grant's than Kornet's. His block rates and rebound rates are definitely better than Grant's, and he's not bad offensively.

If you see him as a guy who could benefit from being on this team and would improve, I can see it. Pritchard is probably replaceable with generic ballhandler at this point, since his shooting will be so much less needed for a while.
 

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Naz for PP is a pretty fair deal, but I'm not sure if that's the guy that I'm burning the PP chip on. Maybe. I haven't seen him a ton either, but his standing reach is closer to Grant's than Kornet's. His block rates and rebound rates are definitely better than Grant's, and he's not bad offensively.

If you see him as a guy who could benefit from being on this team and would improve, I can see it. Pritchard is probably replaceable with generic ballhandler at this point, since his shooting will be so much less needed for a while.
Naz has a 7'1 wingspan and 9'0 standing reach.
Grant has a 6'9.5 wingspan and 8'8.5 standing reach.
Kornet has a 7'2 wingspan and 9'6 standing reach.

Naz isn't TL but he also isn't Grant Williams. Ideally, he'd have a few more inches in standing reach but if he did, he'd be more than 15-20 minute back up. He still might not be long enough if the team is looking for bodies against specific players though. If the team is looking for length above all else, Whiteside's a good choice.

I just think Naz would hold up better physically playing big minutes in case of injury than a Whiteside or Howard would. And like you, I don't think PP has much of a role on this team. He's a one trick pony and the C's have that trick covered. If they can get someone better, I'm all for it. There aren't many options out there though. We'll be talking ourselves in to whoever they end up with.
 

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Naz has a 7'1 wingspan and 9'0 standing reach.
Grant has a 6'9.5 wingspan and 8'8.5 standing reach.
Kornet has a 7'2 wingspan and 9'6 standing reach.

Naz isn't TL but he also isn't Grant Williams. Ideally, he'd have a few more inches in standing reach but if he did, he'd be more than 15-20 minute back up. He still might not be long enough if the team is looking for bodies against specific players though. If the team is looking for length above all else, Whiteside's a good choice.

I just think Naz would hold up better physically playing big minutes in case of injury than a Whiteside or Howard would. And like you, I don't think PP has much of a role on this team. He's a one trick pony and the C's have that trick covered. If they can get someone better, I'm all for it. There aren't many options out there though. We'll be talking ourselves in to whoever they end up with.
I don't see this. Whiteside has a long record of putting up good minutes, much more so than Reid... also he's a better player.

I don't get the Reid move at all. He's not better than guys available now, he costs you an asset and you only get 1 year of him before he's a FA. I'd much rather save PP as an asset for the trade deadline.
 

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PP for Naz Reid. Sign Beverly. Last part isn't really necessary, Pat Beverly is totally redundant on this team.

Reid is on his last year and PP has 1 year left after this, but meh. Granted, I haven't seen that much of Naz Reid but I'm guessing he has to be better than Luke Kornet. Whether he's worth moving an asset for, I dunno. He looks appealing on paper though. Turns 23 this year, can score a bit, block shots, hit a 3. Turns the ball over way too much.
The LAST thing we need is a young player in a contract year who is going to be wanting minutes and numbers. Hard hard pass.
 

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We all wanted Bryant.
This may be a bullet we dodged if he wasn’t going to be in the regular rotation. It certainly wouldn’t have been a harmonious time if he wasn’t as we were pretty much his backup plan……as we should be for a guy looking for his next contract.
 

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I doubt we would have regretted Bryant. He probably would have, though. He has a chance to play 25-28 minutes a night now.
 

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How about Cody Zeller, assuming he can return to health? He's played in the NBA for nearly a decade and presumably has made a lot of money. Maybe he'd like to be on a championship team for once, even if it's in a reduced role.
 

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I don't see this. Whiteside has a long record of putting up good minutes, much more so than Reid... also he's a better player.
Whiteside is the best option available. He signed for a one year minimum deal last year, so you can’t imagine he’d expect more than that now. Let’s hope they get this done soon, because the options don’t get better once he’s off the board..
 

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I doubt we would have regretted Bryant. He probably would have, though. He has a chance to play 25-28 minutes a night now.
Probably not but like you said…..we are a last resort for guys in positions like this who are trying to land a big deal in FA next summer. Kornet and Gallo are 100% fine in emergency roles until the deadline before we see what shakes out with our injuries, etc.
 

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Whiteside seems like a good bet for me, assuming he’ll come to take spare minutes at the back end of the rotation. He took a minimum deal last year, but that was after a terrible year in Sacramento. He may be hoping for some late-career payouts like Javale or at the minimum some real minutes.
 

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Probably not but like you said…..we are a last resort for guys in positions like this who are trying to land a big deal in FA next summer. Kornet and Gallo are 100% fine in emergency roles until the deadline before we see what shakes out with our injuries, etc.
I really think we need more than Kornet to adequately rest TL and AH unless Ime is willing to scrap 2BIGZ. I don't want those guys averaging more than 25 minutes a night during the regular season, and I think they each are going to need some load management days.
 

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This may be a bullet we dodged if he wasn’t going to be in the regular rotation. It certainly wouldn’t have been a harmonious time if he wasn’t as we were pretty much his backup plan……as we should be for a guy looking for his next contract.
Bryant clearly valued minutes/role, and don't blame him one bit. I loved the thought of him getting healthy and developing some chemistry with the JAYLords as a buy-low candidate. No worries a good 3rd string center will shake out between now and FEB

Defensively Whiteside is perfectly acceptable as a 3rd string 5. Actually think he would be helpful with the beefy Centers around the league.

Maybe Danny does a S&T for Ayton OR he goes full Windhorst blow-up and plays Walker Kessler, Vanderbilt, Azubuike, Cockburn, and Paschall at the 5
 

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I really think we need more than Kornet to adequately rest TL and AH unless Ime is willing to scrap 2BIGZ. I don't want those guys averaging more than 25 minutes a night during the regular season, and I think they each are going to need some load management days.
They each avg 30mpg last year with 2BIGZ and our addition of Brogdon along with White indicate less 2BIGZ that will organically lower their minutes. In games one of them are out we can either get by going smaller on the second units, which most teams do anyway, in the short term. Naturally you reassess leading into the deadline. We’re fine right now. I’m not concerned unless we find out more bad stuff about TL’s knee.


Defensively Whiteside is perfectly acceptable as a 3rd string 5. Actually think he would be helpful with the beefy Centers around the league.
Ugh hell no. He’s a miserable and lazy prick to have around when he’s playing……I want no part of his sulking when he’s not. He serves little purpose to me.
 

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Probably not but like you said…..we are a last resort for guys in positions like this who are trying to land a big deal in FA next summer. Kornet and Gallo are 100% fine in emergency roles until the deadline before we see what shakes out with our injuries, etc.
Maybe I am misreading this but Gallo is a way better player than Kornet. Kornet should be no more than the 12th man at the start of the season and I would bet a ton of money Brad gets another big who is a comfortably better player than Kornet
 

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They each avg 30mpg last year with 2BIGZ and our addition of Brogdon along with White indicate less 2BIGZ that will organically lower their minutes. In games one of them are out we can either get by going smaller on the second units, which most teams do anyway, in the short term. Naturally you reassess leading into the deadline. We’re fine right now. I’m not concerned unless we find out more bad stuff about TL’s knee.



Ugh hell no. He’s a miserable and lazy prick to have around when he’s playing……I want no part of his sulking when he’s not. He serves little purpose to me.
Is there any indication this is true anymore? Both in SAC, and UTA he has supposedly been very popular, one of the most liked guys in the locker-room known for always being happy and joking around.
 

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More I think about it, I'd rather roll with what we have. None of these options has much upside. Most have downside.

If the KD/KI trade party needs us as a dance partner, or if someone half decent emerges as a possibility in a PP deal, fine. Otherwise, Kornet and Grant can provide "third big" minutes for a while. These guys being thrown around aren't even half decent, more like quarter decent. Why pay for that?
 

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More I think about it, I'd rather roll with what we have. None of these options has much upside. Most have downside.

If the KD/KI trade party needs us as a dance partner, or if someone half decent emerges as a possibility in a PP deal, fine. Otherwise, Kornet and Grant can provide "third big" minutes for a while. These guys being thrown around aren't even half decent, more like quarter decent. Why pay for that?
I think if you can add one of the vet min guys (especially Whiteside) you do it. No real downside, you need to fill 14 of the 15 roster spots anyway, and then if it isn't working out you can cut or trade them, like Jabari and Enes last year.
 

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Are there any international players at the 5 looking for an NBA gig?

Ainge went that way with Theis and Poirier. One worked.

Have there been any names actually linked to the C's at the 5 who haven't signed yet? Not just people on SoSH throwing names around that may fit the bill.

Are there any 4/5 hybrid types that would be worth trading White for? That player would have to be able to play 30ish minutes a night, meaning they'd have to be able to play with both Al and TL. I'm not sure too many of those players exist. John Collins, but the Hawks don't need White. Contracts don't match either.

Ultimately, it won't matter who fills the role unless they are willing to move a real rotation piece. They won't fill the hole left by TL or Al if one of them should get injured or possibly declines to age.
 

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Are there any international players at the 5 looking for an NBA gig?

Ainge went that way with Theis and Poirier. One worked.

Have there been any names actually linked to the C's at the 5 who haven't signed yet? Not just people on SoSH throwing names around that may fit the bill.

Are there any 4/5 hybrid types that would be worth trading White for? That player would have to be able to play 30ish minutes a night, meaning they'd have to be able to play with both Al and TL. I'm not sure too many of those players exist. John Collins, but the Hawks don't need White. Contracts don't match either.

Ultimately, it won't matter who fills the role unless they are willing to move a real rotation piece. They won't fill the hole left by TL or Al if one of them should get injured or possibly declines to age.
Keith Smart's list (above) was pretty extensive.

He tossed around a few Euro names:

- Chinanu Onuaku: Onuaku washed out of the NBA about four years back. But he’s figured things out playing in Croatia and Israel the last couple of years. He’s an NBA-level talent and could probably handle 10-15 minutes a night as a backup. At 26 years old, Onuaku screams classic “late bloomer”.

- Anzejs Pasecniks: Pasecniks is a former first-round pick and he struggled to stick in the NBA. But last year in Spain he played really well. He’s also played well in the G League. He’ll be 27 years old around the holidays, so this one has limited upside.
 

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Are there any international players at the 5 looking for an NBA gig?

Ainge went that way with Theis and Poirier. One worked.

Have there been any names actually linked to the C's at the 5 who haven't signed yet? Not just people on SoSH throwing names around that may fit the bill.

Are there any 4/5 hybrid types that would be worth trading White for? That player would have to be able to play 30ish minutes a night, meaning they'd have to be able to play with both Al and TL. I'm not sure too many of those players exist. John Collins, but the Hawks don't need White. Contracts don't match either.

Ultimately, it won't matter who fills the role unless they are willing to move a real rotation piece. They won't fill the hole left by TL or Al if one of them should get injured or possibly declines to age.
Problem with international guys is that the ones that are NBA ready make too much money to take the minimum. Theis and Poirier both got part of the mid level
 

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Maybe I am misreading this but Gallo is a way better player than Kornet. Kornet should be no more than the 12th man at the start of the season and I would bet a ton of money Brad gets another big who is a comfortably better player than Kornet
I’m referring to the “emergency 5” for pre-deadline games where Horford or TL aren’t available for whatever reason.

Why would we need a better12th man? For a championship contender these are more fit guys than guys looking for playing time and creating issues with attitude, having their agent complaining about opportunity, etc.
 

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Is there any indication this is true anymore? Both in SAC, and UTA he has supposedly been very popular, one of the most liked guys in the locker-room known for always being happy and joking around.
Everyone likes the fun lazy guy. I saw him dog in Utah many nights coming off the bench and playing. Why would he come here to not play and be a positive energy guy? He sure doesn’t fit any part of our system on either end of the floor.
 

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I wonder if LMA ends up being part of the answer. He's totally cooked, but he's close with Ime dating back to their time playing together for the Blazers & he's better than Luke Kornet? If they do go that route, feel like they would need another younger minimum center, too.
 

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I wonder if LMA ends up being part of the answer. He's totally cooked, but he's close with Ime dating back to their time playing together for the Blazers & he's better than Luke Kornet? If they do go that route, feel like they would need another younger minimum center, too.
They already have a young minimum center in Kornet. What they need is someone better.
 

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They already have a young minimum center in Kornet. What they need is someone better.
I think my suggestion is that Aldridge would be better? Kornet turns 27 this month. Not a lot of upside there...

Aldridge turns 37 this month, though, but at least he put up 21/9 per 36 last year in 22 mpg so he wouldn't be an awful bench unit guy.

I don't really think Kornet should even be their 4th center unless their 3rd center is someone much younger & more durable than LMA. He hasn't shown any actual ability to be in an NBA rotation. Would rather give MFIONDU run than Kornet. But that may just be my FSU talking.
 

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Aldridge is completely cooked and below replacement level. I don't see any reason to expect better play from him than from Luke Kornet going forward.
 

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More I think about it, I'd rather roll with what we have. None of these options has much upside. Most have downside.

If the KD/KI trade party needs us as a dance partner, or if someone half decent emerges as a possibility in a PP deal, fine. Otherwise, Kornet and Grant can provide "third big" minutes for a while. These guys being thrown around aren't even half decent, more like quarter decent. Why pay for that?
Wouldn’t Willy Hernangomez for PP be a pretty fair deal for both sides? No idea about his defense but he averaged 9 and 7 in 17 MPG last year and is on a modest deal over the next 2 years.

Not sure if New Orleans would accept that deal but it seems workable.