What does a Yankee rebuild look like?

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You'd have to think that signing Strasburg this offseason is a real possibility

I'll be shocked if this doesn't happen. Chapman/Beltran/Sabathia/Teixeira frees up more than 75 mil of payroll, and Bird and Judge will fill two of those roles for next to nothing. And other than Encarnacion and Bautista (old guys they should stay away from), there's really nobody else to spend money on. It'll probably take $300 million, but even with that they'll still have plenty of payroll room.
 

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I never thought Strasburg to NY had much of a chance, but he evidently just signed a long-term extension, so now it definitely ain't happening.
 

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I heard Francesca on the radio today, the first time I've listened to him since the baseball season started. He talked about the Yankees, which, as everyone knows, is his favorite team. He was very negative about the Yankees. He said they should "blow it all up," which means the Yankees should go all in and start the rebuilding process rather than half rebuild, half remain competitive. He doesn't seem like to like some of the new guys, including Castro and Hicks. The bullpen is great, but there are problems everywhere else, according to Francesca.

While he didn't say it, I suspect he would support the idea of trading A.Miller for young talent at the trade deadline. His comments made me think that an organization is probably better off going through a full blown rebuild than a half rebuild, half remain competitive model that Cashman seems to support.
 
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You could throw a rock in any sports bar and hit someone with more informed opinions than Francesa, no idea why anyone has paid any attention to him for the last decade or so.
 

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But I think Cashman would be happy to trade quite a few current Yankees if he could get a reasonable return for them as well as navigate their no-trade clauses. That's a lot easier said (or blustered in Francesa's case) than done.
 

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Cashman is going to be severely tempted in July by teams that covet Chapman and Miller. Would he deal both and tear apart the team's only strength? Only thing I know is the Yanks will be seriously scouting farm systems of teams that need an elite bullpen arm.
 

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CC is remarkably building up a little trade value, although he's another one with at least some no-trade protection.
 

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NY is even more fucked for the next year or so than it appears from watching the major league team, as so many of their potentially highest impact prospects have been set back by injury this year.

Bird, out for the year.
Bryan Mitchell, out until August last I heard.
Kaprielian, sitting in limbo for probably a month now.
Gary Sanchez, out with a cracked bone in his thumb.

Also Aaron Judge has gone ice-cold in the last month or so, ugly times in the Bronx.
 

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FWIW, I did a quick run through the NY farm system and listed starting pitchers who seem promising either based on their prospect status or results so far this year or both. Obviously Cashman is hoping that a few of these guys emerge, we all know that you can't count on prospects but there's a surprising amount of collective possibility here, IMO:

Chad Green, Luis Cessa-AAA
Ronald Herrera, Dietrich Enns, Brady Lail, Jordan Montgomery-AA
James Kaprielian, Chance Adams, Ian Clarkin, Vicente Campos-A
Domingo Acevedo-low A

Also there are a handful of 2015 draftees (besides Kaprielian) who I didn’t include but who also all seem promising to one degree or another: Josh Rogers, Brody Koerner, Drew Finley, Jeff Degano (the first two in high A already, the latter two being held for short-season, I believe).
I wanted to do an update on this as I think that NY has more SP prospects than people generally give them credit for, and also a lot of the guys above have moved up a level or two in the last few months:

Chad Green, Luis Cessa, Dietrich Enns, Brady Lail, Jordan Montgomery-AAA
Chance Adams, Ronald Herrera, Daniel Camarena, Domingo Acevedo (hasn't yet pitched in AA but was about to be promoted when he hurt his back last week)-AA
James Kaprielian, Justus Sheffield, Josh Rogers, James Reeves, Ian Clarkin-A

The biggest prospects there are Sheffield, Kaprielian (hurt), and Acevedo (also hurt), but all five guys at AAA currently look like big league pitchers in some capacity. Chance Adams has had an amazing season, his numbers and Enns' numbers have to be seen to be believed. Herrera has had an OK season, but is one of the youngest players in AA still. Rogers also is having a great season, a 2015 11th round pick who has been great in both low A and high A, a 2.30 ERA combined in 113 innings.

Also we're still waiting to see who Cashman gets from PIT for Nova, my guess is that will be two more SP options. And I didn't include Dillon Tate until NY has him starting games again.
 
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I wanted to do an update on this as I think that NY has more SP prospects than people generally give them credit for, and also a lot of the guys above have moved up a level or two in the last few months:

Chad Green, Luis Cessa, Dietrich Enns, Brady Lail, Jordan Montgomery-AAA
Chance Adams, Ronald Herrera, Daniel Camarena, Domingo Acevedo (hasn't yet pitched in AA but was about to be promoted when he hurt his back last week)-AA
James Kaprielian, Justus Sheffield, Josh Rogers, Ian Clarkin-A

The biggest prospects there are Sheffield, Kaprielian (hurt), and Acevedo (also hurt), but all five guys at AAA currently look like big league pitchers in some capacity. Chance Adams has had an amazing season, his numbers and Enns' numbers have to be seen to be believed. Herrera has had an OK season, but is one of the youngest players in AA still. Rogers also is having a great season, a 2015 11th round pick who has been great in both low A and high A, a 2.30 ERA combined in 113 innings.

Also we're still waiting to see who Cashman gets from PIT for Nova, my guess is that will be two more SP options. And I didn't include Dillon Tate until NY has him starting games again.
Saw Enns pitch in Pawtucket last week. Hardly hits 90, not that velocity is the only criterion to determine a good pitcher.
 

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Saw Enns pitch in Pawtucket last week. Hardly hits 90, not that velocity is the only criterion to determine a good pitcher.
He can get to 92 supposedly, but the results so far are hard to argue with. He's made 8 starts in AAA and allowed 7 ERs total in those (1.35 ERA), and he has over a strikeout per inning in his 300+ innings in the minors so far. I'm not saying he's going to be an ace or even a SP for NY, but he definitely looks like he can contribute in the bigs in some capacity.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/7/2/12086484/dietrich-enns-turning-heads-and-missing-bats-for-the-new-york-yankees
 

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Lefties used to be a huge asset in Yankee Stadium before they shortened the power alleys. Had to protect the short porch with a good southpaw. So yes, Enns could be useful. Maybe he gets a look after Scranton finishes up in playoffs next month.
 

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With A-Rod, Beltran and Tex gone, I believe that Gardner is the second oldest guy on the 25 man going into next season, he'll turn 33 midseason.
 

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With A-Rod, Beltran and Tex gone, I believe that Gardner is the second oldest guy on the 25 man going into next season, he'll turn 33 midseason.
And I'd be surprised if he is on the roster; although maybe they keep him for half a year and deal him at midseason.

So is the oldest Ellsbury? I know he has aged in Dog years the past few years and is now in his 50s (physically at least)
 

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Sabathia for one more season is oldest, then Gardner, Ellsbury, McCann and Headley are all around 31-32. NY doesn't have ready replacements for all of them yet, but I'm sure Cashman would be thrilled if none of these guys were on the team by 2018 Opening Day.
 

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Cashman hasn't been wrong yet as he moves guys, but he sure is asking a lot for McCann, it seems. Maybe he'll have better luck in the offseason...

"While there’s no evidence a deal for McCann is anywhere close at this point, McCann has indeed cleared waivers, as was reported on Today’s Knuckleball. The Yankees and Braves have had extensive talks regarding the well-liked veteran catcher who grew up in the Braves’ organization, and others have shown interest, too. The Braves do seem like the most logical possible landing spot, but the Yankees’ last known request for hard-throwing right-hander Mike Foltynewicz and speedy outfielder Ender Inciarte in a deal for McCann apparently was a non starter for Atlanta, who like McCann as a major clubhouse plus for their young, rebuilding team.

The Braves are said to have offered to pay close to half McCann’s $17-million annual salary, and Atlanta’s idea apparently is to surrender much lesser prospects/players. A Yankees person suggested that while they contributed $2.5 million to complete the Beltran deal, they aren’t anxious to pay down other contracts, either. So they may be worlds apart at this point. Cashman hasn’t yet gone to McCann, who has a full no-trade, to ascertain if he’d consider returning to his home-state Braves; so that could conceivably be another hurdle."

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/heyman-inside-look-yankees-sale-may-come-next/
 

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I wonder if the Mets would take him for half price plus a decent prospect instead of bottom of the barrel the Braves were offering. They were going to give up a ton for only 2 months of Lucroy. McCann is obviously not as good, but if they lose Cespedes next year, they could get some power back at catcher.

And for some reason, ex Yankees rejuvenate at Ctit Field, Colon, Granderson , even Kelly Johnson.

I know they don't like cross town trades, but it might help both teams, and McCann wouldn't have to even change apartments.
 

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I don't think Cashman should let up on his demand. I like McCann working with the young kids, at least through the end of this season. It doesn't sound like anyone is blowing us away to grab him and the team is playing well enough to justify waiting until the offseason.