Very true. And the Bears didn't technically need a QB.
You want a parade in my town, you have to pay.
For me, heaven and earth is 11, 23, next year's first and either Darrisaw or Jefferson.
THis is why I want 11, 23, 2025 1st, and 2026 1st (or 2025 2nd)... so that you can then trade back up from 11 to say 8, but still maintain plenty of capital, and draft one of those premium guys or JJM.
For the record I agree with you and this is more just musing, but: if they think Drake Maye is not an nfl starter, then they might also assume Minny’s pick would be decent. I think top 10 would still be wishcasting but top 15 seems safe it their qb is in fact a flop.
I agree. Either get the ridiculous deal or stay put. I think it's much more likely MINN trades 11, 23 and a later round pick in 2025 to LAC to move to pick 5 for JJM. (Another option is to trade all those picks for Herbert. I think LAC would at least listen.)
If Harbaugh loves JJM as much as he proclaims, he should absolutely trade Herbert. Then he gets 5 years of cost-controlled QB and a bunch of assets.
The entire draft after the first pick, though, is a succession of ifs. He can't trade Herbert until he knows JJM is there at 5.
That would take some serious balls imo, moving a top 5-10 qb in the league for an unknown. Especially after trading away their best receiver, hell only receiver really at this point. Making a dumb move like drafting JJ and trading away Herbert is a good way to make sure you end up back coaching in college again imo.
If he calls the Patriots and says "hey, Elliott, 3, 34, a 2025 first and a 2026 second for Herbert, you in?", I'm giving him that package every day of the week and then he can do something ridiculous like drafting both JJ and MHJ.
A lot of it is from Russini, and from what I've seen of her on the Athletic..... her sources appear to be mostly out of MIN. I think MIN REALLY wants Maye (Schefter has said as much) and so they are putting most of this out. Whether it's just generic "well you could still get a top QB" or it's directed at ownership, I think that's the biggest play here, with some Harbaugh/Ortiz thrown in of wanting to get a bunch for #5 from teams like DEN/LV, or convince NYG to slide up a pick to make sure they get JJ.
I think the number 6 is the interesting part of that, particularly if you believe the rumors about the Giants wanting to move up are true.
Could also be a smokescreen but, yes, trading down to 6 and picking up their 2nd and 2025 1st in the process could potentially be enticing in a trade down scenario.
I think Van Pelt's offense protects the QB much more than the system the Patriots used to run. We were all clamoring for it to be more PA heavy with designed shots and that's what I expect. Of course, the more weapons the better, but I think whoever is at QB will have opportunities to just hit the guy the scheme designs to be open a lot more than under the previous regime (which put a lot on the QBs plate and asked him to drive the offense). I agree that initially a solid pass protecting OL would help the new guy's development more than a game breaking receiver, but that equation may very well change in year 2.
I've been thinking this, too, but it's just one of the many possibilities.
I don't have a strong feeling on this but I think there is a very good argument for being happy with either one and it basically goes like this:
All signs point to Jayden going to Commanders at 2 so this is moot. The debate is whether you draft Maye, trade down for JJ or pull the ole Belichick and simply draft the guy you really want, JJ, at 3.
I don't know how they could be worse than this year where they missed JJ for half of the season and started the trio of suck that is Mullens/Jaren Hall/Josh Dobbs. IMO, there's no way that pick is in the top 12.
As @tims4wins said, it has to be the Giants. Of course, the rumor is that they want to move up to get McCarthy....
Not really. They'd have to trade their next 3 1sts and I don't think anyone wants that
Much more athletic, faster runner, better run-pass decision making, better at progression
Probably something like moving back to 6, then back up to 5. That seems the most likely to have some value and a good chance of getting what you want. You could try going down to 6 then back to 4 but then you probably got almost no value.
His run/pass decision making is a plus? I thought the knock on him was as soon as there's pressure he runs? That's not always good.
But that's a lot of moving parts and you'd have to be setting things in motion now. If not, the team you're trading back up with can hold you ransom and you have only 10 minutes, and suddenly all the extra assets you got for #3 are gone to get #6.
It really comes down to how much the NYG would be willing to overpay for Maye. I was thinking the same thing about the move down to 6 then back up but do think you would need to come back up to 4 if you wanted to guarantee JJ. AZ has a lot of holes to fill and that 11/23 + that MN might offer for JJ would be very tempting to them.
Hmmm interesting.
Daniels has horrific run/pass decision making to my eyes, it's my main area of concern with him. Every time he believes the pocket may possibly become muddied, he's putting his eyes down and running with no intention of throwing the ball outside the pocket. Both leaves clean pockets and stands in with pressure to deliver the ball at rates that are the exact opposite of what you want.
