What do you want Pats to do with #3?

What do you want the Pats to do with #3?

  • Trade multiple picks for #1 and take Williams

    Votes: 20 4.3%
  • Draft Jayden Daniels at #3

    Votes: 94 20.4%
  • Draft Drake Maye at #3

    Votes: 204 44.3%
  • Draft Marvin Harrison Jr. at #3

    Votes: 56 12.2%
  • Draft someone else not mentioned at #3 (please specify)

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Trade down and pick up more picks and take a WR (Nabers, Odunze, etc.)

    Votes: 11 2.4%
  • Trade down and pick up more picks and take an OL (Fashanu, Alt, etc.)

    Votes: 36 7.8%
  • Trade down and pick up more picks and take a QB (McCarthy, Penix, etc.)

    Votes: 36 7.8%

  • Total voters
    460

Auger34

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But the 2024 first is the #1 overall pick this year... you, as the Chicago Bears, could look at the Panthers adding Bryce Young and say to yourself, "Next year's pick is still going to by high AF" pretty confidently. We can't do that with Minnesota - if they add a good QB, next year's pick should be in the 15-25 range probably, which has signifcantly less value than even a top ten pick (as we see from trades for three).

We'd be giving a team their QB of the future. That should cost two 1s this year, next year's 1, and the year after's 1, plus some other day 2 picks. If we're only netting out two picks in the 20s, what is the point?
Very true. And the Bears didn't technically need a QB.

There's 0 chance that the Patriots make a trade for anything less than 4 1st round picks (or the equivalent, like 3 1sts and Jordan Addison). I think that's the starting point. Question is if the Vikings are willing to do that to get Maye or if that would rather do 3 1st round picks to move up to 4 or 5 to take McCarthy
 

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That would be a ridiculous overpay by Minnesota. We have a near identical comp from the 2022 draft. Trey Lance (#3) for #12, a 1 and 2 the next year and a 1 two years later.

#11, #23, 1st and 3rd in '25 and a 1st and a 3rd in '26 is malpractice if Minnesota even contemplates it. Minnesota then would not have any picks in rounds 1-3 thru 2026? ( I see they do have a 2nd in '25, though? and in '26?)
You want a parade in my town, you have to pay.

I'm hearing that if Maye is still there at three, the Vikings would "move heaven and earth" to get him.
You're asking us to drop out of the top ten - past the top 4 QB's, the ELITE top 3 WR1's, no Joe Alt, no Brock Bowers.
No, an offer of 11,23, and next year's first isn't close to enough...
 

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You want a parade in my town, you have to pay.

I'm hearing that if Maye is still there at three, the Vikings would "move heaven and earth" to get him.
You're asking us to drop out of the top ten - past the top 4 QB's, the ELITE top 3 WR1's, no Joe Alt, no Brock Bowers.
No, an offer of 11,23, and next year's first isn't close to enough...
For me, heaven and earth is 11, 23, next year's first and either Darrisaw or Jefferson.

That's my line in the sand. Crazy rich but that says heaven and earth, not an extra 2nd rounder in 2026
 

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11 would still get you in front of the Raiders and Broncos, assuming that they do not trade up. That's only if they're dropping because they're not in love with Maye but still are committed to going QB.
 

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11 would still get you in front of the Raiders and Broncos, assuming that they do not trade up. That's only if they're dropping because they're not in love with Maye but still are committed to going QB.
THis is why I want 11, 23, 2025 1st, and 2026 1st (or 2025 2nd)... so that you can then trade back up from 11 to say 8, but still maintain plenty of capital, and draft one of those premium guys or JJM.

Alternately, trading down to 6 with the Giants is appealing.
 

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Agree with this. Any trade down premised having a Minny pick land in the top 10, much less the top 5, in 2025 or 2026 is suspect.

In other words, unless you’re genuinely down on Drake Maye/don’t feel conviction picking him, why the hell would you trade for a package that might, but might not, allow you to jump into position in 2025 or 2026 to draft a hypothetical QB you do really like but you can’t know will exist? You are probably not getting JJM if you fall back to 11, and I don’t see why settling for Penix and some added draft capital you realistically will hit on at a 50 percent rate or so is a better play.
For the record I agree with you and this is more just musing, but: if they think Drake Maye is not an nfl starter, then they might also assume Minny’s pick would be decent. I think top 10 would still be wishcasting but top 15 seems safe it their qb is in fact a flop.
 

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Dropping completely out of the top 10 would be hard to imagine as you'd think the Pats would want to get one of Alt, MHJ, Adunze, or Nabers. Maybe they have lined up some contingency trades to get back up into the top 10, but that also just seems hard to pull off in the time they have on the clock. It's just really hard for me to imagine them not taking Maye unless they really don't like him.
 

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You want a parade in my town, you have to pay.

I'm hearing that if Maye is still there at three, the Vikings would "move heaven and earth" to get him.
You're asking us to drop out of the top ten - past the top 4 QB's, the ELITE top 3 WR1's, no Joe Alt, no Brock Bowers.
No, an offer of 11,23, and next year's first isn't close to enough...
I agree. Either get the ridiculous deal or stay put. I think it's much more likely MINN trades 11, 23 and a later round pick in 2025 to LAC to move to pick 5 for JJM. (Another option is to trade all those picks for Herbert. I think LAC would at least listen.)
 

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I agree. Either get the ridiculous deal or stay put. I think it's much more likely MINN trades 11, 23 and a later round pick in 2025 to LAC to move to pick 5 for JJM. (Another option is to trade all those picks for Herbert. I think LAC would at least listen.)
If Harbaugh loves JJM as much as he proclaims, he should absolutely trade Herbert. Then he gets 5 years of cost-controlled QB and a bunch of assets.
 

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If Harbaugh loves JJM as much as he proclaims, he should absolutely trade Herbert. Then he gets 5 years of cost-controlled QB and a bunch of assets.
The entire draft after the first pick, though, is a succession of ifs. He can't trade Herbert until he knows JJM is there at 5.
 

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The entire draft after the first pick, though, is a succession of ifs. He can't trade Herbert until he knows JJM is there at 5.
That would take some serious balls imo, moving a top 5-10 qb in the league for an unknown. Especially after trading away their best receiver, hell only receiver really at this point. Making a dumb move like drafting JJ and trading away Herbert is a good way to make sure you end up back coaching in college again imo.

I just think a lot of the ballwashing Harbaugh has done regarding JJ has been more of a favor to him then wanting to build his NFL team around him. At least i would be hoping for this if i was a charger fan.
 

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The entire draft after the first pick, though, is a succession of ifs. He can't trade Herbert until he knows JJM is there at 5.
If he calls the Patriots and says "hey, Elliott, 3, 34, a 2025 first and a 2026 second for Herbert, you in?", I'm giving him that package every day of the week and then he can do something ridiculous like drafting both JJ and MHJ.
 

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There has been a heck of a lot of smoke on trading down for McCarthy over the past three days. Smokescreen or an authentic blaze?
A lot of it is from Russini, and from what I've seen of her on the Athletic..... her sources appear to be mostly out of MIN. I think MIN REALLY wants Maye (Schefter has said as much) and so they are putting most of this out. Whether it's just generic "well you could still get a top QB" or it's directed at ownership, I think that's the biggest play here, with some Harbaugh/Ortiz thrown in of wanting to get a bunch for #5 from teams like DEN/LV, or convince NYG to slide up a pick to make sure they get JJ.
 

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Patriots HC Jerod Mayo told me they have 6 prospects they’d be comfortable taking with their top pick tomorrow & they’ve discussed all scenarios. Attention on 1 prime option if they stay at 3: North Carolina QB Drake Maye.
I think the number 6 is the interesting part of that, particularly if you believe the rumors about the Giants wanting to move up are true.
 

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Eh...I'd be disappointed if the best we give Maye is Corley
I woudn't love it... but the real disappointment is a nothing RB in the 4th... any time you can get a RB who is not a very good athlete, but also has a rep for playing small and soft for his size.... gotta lock that up
 

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I think the number 6 is the interesting part of that, particularly if you believe the rumors about the Giants wanting to move up are true.
Could also be a smokescreen but, yes, trading down to 6 and picking up their 2nd and 2025 1st in the process could potentially be enticing in a trade down scenario.

You’d still get one of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, Alt, would have an extra 2nd, and a valuable 2025 pick from a team that could easily be top 10 again.
 

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If I'm Maye, I want people watching my ass as much as someone who will get open. If there's a legit tackle and a guy like Corley, that's something to work with.
I think Van Pelt's offense protects the QB much more than the system the Patriots used to run. We were all clamoring for it to be more PA heavy with designed shots and that's what I expect. Of course, the more weapons the better, but I think whoever is at QB will have opportunities to just hit the guy the scheme designs to be open a lot more than under the previous regime (which put a lot on the QBs plate and asked him to drive the offense). I agree that initially a solid pass protecting OL would help the new guy's development more than a game breaking receiver, but that equation may very well change in year 2.
 

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My feeling going into today is the Patriots want JJ but know he’s an overdraft at #3. They’re afraid if they trade with the Vikings and wait at #11 he may be gone. I think both the Vikings and Patriots are working the phones with other teams trying to figure out how to make the puzzle pieces fit so the Vikings can trade with the Patriots but the Patriots still come away with McCarthy.
 

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My feeling going into today is the Patriots want JJ but know he’s an overdraft at #3. They’re afraid if they trade with the Vikings and wait at #11 he may be gone. I think both the Vikings and Patriots are working the phones with other teams trying to figure out how to make the puzzle pieces fit so the Vikings can trade with the Patriots but the Patriots still come away with McCarthy.
I've been thinking this, too, but it's just one of the many possibilities.

(I really hope they're not taking McCarthy, but I'll 100% be behind him if they do. What choice do I have?)
 

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There are plenty of people here who seem to want Daniels over Maye. Can I please hear the best argument for Daniels?
 

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There are plenty of people here who seem to want Daniels over Maye. Can I please hear the best argument for Daniels?
I don't have a strong feeling on this but I think there is a very good argument for being happy with either one and it basically goes like this:

-The population of people who collectively have the best ability to judge NFL prospects is the population that works in NFL front offices.
-By every accounts from "insider" journalists, those people are at least split on the two QBs, if not rating Daniels higher.

Its hard to predict QBs so who knows who will have a better career but being crushed if we get Daniels instead of Maye because a few draft analysts don't like the former makes as much sense as believing that two similarly priced stocks have a huge difference in value because you met a few day traders at a barbecue and they assured you that Company X is a dud while Company Y is going to the moon.
 

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There are plenty of people here who seem to want Daniels over Maye. Can I please hear the best argument for Daniels?
All signs point to Jayden going to Commanders at 2 so this is moot. The debate is whether you draft Maye, trade down for JJ or pull the ole Belichick and simply draft the guy you really want, JJ, at 3.

Personaly, I’m not a big Maye guy, hate/hate/hate Daniels, and would grade this higher is we end up with JJ and another 1st.
 

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I believe @Cellar-Door said this but it would worry me if McCarthy was the pick because it would seem like Kraft is overstepping his bounds and forced MayoWolf to take his guy because JJM reminds RK so much of his beloved Tommy..

I think the absolute worst case scenario is staying at 3 and taking JJM. That would be a disaster. If they move back to 6 and get some more valuable assets that's much better.
 

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Vikings fan poking my head in. My sense is that the Vikings are not going beyond 11, 23, next years first (and maybe day 2 2025 pick) Sounds like this comes up short. Absolutely cannot conceive of moving Addison or Darrisaw.

Fwiw, I would value the Vikes 2025 first more than what I see above. If the Vikings draft a QB, he will sit behind Darnold. Hockenson is down for half the season or so, the interior line on both sides of the ball is weak. Over/under on Vikes wins next year maybe 7.5.
 

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What's the most reasonable trade the Pats could make that allows them to move back and still get JJ? Not that I'm advocating this, but if this is what the Pats are hoping happens, what seems likely/reasonable?
 

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Vikings fan poking my head in. My sense is that the Vikings are not going beyond 11, 23, next years first (and maybe day 2 2025 pick) Sounds like this comes up short. Absolutely cannot conceive of moving Addison or Darrisaw.

Fwiw, I would value the Vikes 2025 first more than what I see above. If the Vikings draft a QB, he will sit behind Darnold. Hockenson is down for half the season or so, the interior line on both sides of the ball is weak. Over/under on Vikes wins next year maybe 7.5.
I don't know how they could be worse than this year where they missed JJ for half of the season and started the trio of suck that is Mullens/Jaren Hall/Josh Dobbs. IMO, there's no way that pick is in the top 12.
 

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What's the most reasonable trade the Pats could make that allows them to move back and still get JJ? Not that I'm advocating this, but if this is what the Pats are hoping happens, what seems likely/reasonable?
As @tims4wins said, it has to be the Giants. Of course, the rumor is that they want to move up to get McCarthy....
 

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What's the most reasonable trade the Pats could make that allows them to move back and still get JJ? Not that I'm advocating this, but if this is what the Pats are hoping happens, what seems likely/reasonable?
Probably something like moving back to 6, then back up to 5. That seems the most likely to have some value and a good chance of getting what you want. You could try going down to 6 then back to 4 but then you probably got almost no value.
 

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Much more athletic, faster runner, better run-pass decision making, better at progression
His run/pass decision making is a plus? I thought the knock on him was as soon as there's pressure he runs? That's not always good.
 

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Probably something like moving back to 6, then back up to 5. That seems the most likely to have some value and a good chance of getting what you want. You could try going down to 6 then back to 4 but then you probably got almost no value.
But that's a lot of moving parts and you'd have to be setting things in motion now. If not, the team you're trading back up with can hold you ransom and you have only 10 minutes, and suddenly all the extra assets you got for #3 are gone to get #6.
 

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Probably something like moving back to 6, then back up to 5. That seems the most likely to have some value and a good chance of getting what you want. You could try going down to 6 then back to 4 but then you probably got almost no value.
Maybe just trade with LA? (Assuming their target is MHJ and not a QB)
 

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Probably something like moving back to 6, then back up to 5. That seems the most likely to have some value and a good chance of getting what you want. You could try going down to 6 then back to 4 but then you probably got almost no value.
It really comes down to how much the NYG would be willing to overpay for Maye. I was thinking the same thing about the move down to 6 then back up but do think you would need to come back up to 4 if you wanted to guarantee JJ. AZ has a lot of holes to fill and that 11/23 + that MN might offer for JJ would be very tempting to them.

I wonder if you could get NYG to sweeten the pot on a trade by including accepting Daniel Jones who has no guaranteed $$ after this season and would save NYG 36M on the cap if traded post June 1. NE could absorb Jones contract and perhaps try to rehabilitate him. I'd want extra compensation similar to when DET and LAR swapped Goff for Stafford but it could potentially work.
 

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LAC make a ton of sense to trade with MN. They have been most recently associated with JC Latham who is more of a 10-15 pick than top 5. 11/23 are worth about 2000 pts and 5 is worth 1700. Add in a 300 pt premium for jumping NYG and you have a trade both sides would live with. LAC come away with a top 3 OT and top 5 WR at 11/23 their top 2 needs. MN gets their QB of the future.
 

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It really comes down to how much the NYG would be willing to overpay for Maye. I was thinking the same thing about the move down to 6 then back up but do think you would need to come back up to 4 if you wanted to guarantee JJ. AZ has a lot of holes to fill and that 11/23 + that MN might offer for JJ would be very tempting to them.

I wonder if you could get NYG to sweeten the pot on a trade by including accepting Daniel Jones who has no guaranteed $$ after this season and would save NYG 36M on the cap if traded post June 1. NE could absorb Jones contract and perhaps try to rehabilitate him. I'd want extra compensation similar to when DET and LAR swapped Goff for Stafford but it could potentially work.
Hmmm interesting.

Giants give Pats: #6, #47, 2025 1st, and Daniel Jones (Pats absorb his 2024 contract, freeing up $36m for the Giants)
Pats give Giants: #3

Giants draft #3 Maye
Pats draft #6 McCarthy, #34 WR, #47 OL, #68 OL/WR, plus get NY's first rounder in 2025 and have Daniel Jones to either start for one season while McCarthy learns, or is a serviceable backup, but they're only taking him on really to eat his salary to gain NY's 2025 first rounder

All this is presuming the Pats prefer McCarthy over Maye but don't want to use #3 on McCarthy. This would not be a scenario where the Pats prefer Maye but accept McCarthy as a consolation prize so that they could add the other things.
 

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His run/pass decision making is a plus? I thought the knock on him was as soon as there's pressure he runs? That's not always good.
Daniels has horrific run/pass decision making to my eyes, it's my main area of concern with him. Every time he believes the pocket may possibly become muddied, he's putting his eyes down and running with no intention of throwing the ball outside the pocket. Both leaves clean pockets and stands in with pressure to deliver the ball at rates that are the exact opposite of what you want.