What Can/Should NY Do?

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Kind of works both ways no? It can also reduce effectiveness of Yankees pitchers particularly the uber spin guys like Cole.
Maybe, but I don’t worry about top tier guys becoming bums. I worry more about the relievers like Chapman who suddenly have new dominating pitches. Regardless, it’s a trade off I’ll take any day of the week if it means our lineup isn’t completely useless.
 

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Is Miguel Andujar quietly becoming a valuable player again? Asking for a friend who has noticed his 5hr and mini hot streak + overall non-offensive defense.
 

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Three moves, dunno if it will resuscitate the season but it would sure make NY more fun to watch:

1) Fire Aaron Boone. He was an uninspiring choice from day 1, he has been adequate but NY deserves better. I would go with Carlos Beltran, I don't care about the Houston connection.

2) See if Jasson Dominguez will sign a 10 year deal, then bring him up and start him every day. Yes, this is ridiculous (he has no minor league ABs so far) but man would it energize the fan base.

3) Put Deivi Garcia in Mike King's spot in the rotation and leave him there for a month at least.
 

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Ford will get to Tampa in September, hit .183 and beat the Yankees twice in the playoffs, including the series clinching homer off Chapman. Dreamed that last night right after the one about Linda Ronstadt singing to me all by herself.
 

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I don't see how Boone survives this weekend. The Yankees were outplayed and outlucked, but he's showing no signs he has the ability to pull them out of it. It didn't matter at all in the end, but how could be let a righty face Devers with first base open in the 8th inning with Renfroe on deck? It's like he checked out of the game.
 

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He's never been more than adequate as a manager (his best attribute is that he never loses it when talking to the media) but pretty clearly he has lost the team now. The other night he had a situation against the Royals, I will copy my post from the next day's game thread below. NY is up by 1 in the 9th, two outs, runners on 1st and 3rd. Salvador Perez had left the game midway, so Carlos Santana was the batter and behind him was a rookie catcher with only 7 career ABs (0-7). It's admittedly a tough decision to IBB or not, but check out how wishy-washy Boone was about it:

"when Santana came up, Boone called a conference on the mound with a bunch of people involved and the decision was made to pitch to him. Then Boone went to the dugout, Chapman and Sanchez got ready to pitch to him, and then Boone changed his mind and had Chapman IBB him. That's why Chapman was pissed, again very very bad managing by Boone and he is quite lucky that the NY offense took him off the hook in the bottom of the inning or it would have cost them the game."

And this got even worse later, because Boone and Chapman had a long talk to mend fences and Boone came out of that saying that he should have let Chapman pitch to Santana!! He just isn't good enough at his job to keep it, and it reflects badly on Cashman for hiring him initially and every day that he doesn't fire him now.
 

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I was surprised at the time that Cashman and the Yankees sat back and let Boston aggressively move to hire Alex Cora in October 2017. I thought for sure that NY would at least communicate some interest to Cora's representatives and that there was no way the Sox would be able to lock him up, but it never happened and there has never been any reporting that the Yankees had any interest in AC. I'm sure as heck glad they didn't, because he would have been terrific for that team.
 

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I was surprised at the time that Cashman and the Yankees sat back and let Boston aggressively move to hire Alex Cora in October 2017. I thought for sure that NY would at least communicate some interest to Cora's representatives and that there was no way the Sox would be able to lock him up, but it never happened and there has never been any reporting that the Yankees had any interest in AC. I'm sure as heck glad they didn't, because he would have been terrific for that team.
Boone was a reaction to Girardi. Cora doesn’t have an edge like Joe Girardi’s but he has an edge. Nevin seems to have an edge as well so maybe that’s why the Yankees don’t pull the trigger on Boone. I also sense Cora has a tad more autonomy than Boone but that’s just a guess, given they hired Boone with no coaching experience vs. Cora who did.
 

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After the All Star break, 11 of the Yankees first 13 games are against Boston & Tampa. You would think some time between now and the All Star break would be the ideal time for a managerial change. Start the second half with a new leader for that crucial stretch of games against the two teams you need to beat.
 

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I was surprised at the time that Cashman and the Yankees sat back and let Boston aggressively move to hire Alex Cora in October 2017. I thought for sure that NY would at least communicate some interest to Cora's representatives and that there was no way the Sox would be able to lock him up, but it never happened and there has never been any reporting that the Yankees had any interest in AC. I'm sure as heck glad they didn't, because he would have been terrific for that team.
This was impossible because Boston was eliminated earlier in the playoffs than NY and they hired Cora super quickly, while NY was still in the ALCS. Of course it's possible that they could have communicated possible interest to Cora's reps as you say but if that had ever leaked, that Cashman was doing that while NY was still playing and fighting for a WS spot, Cashman would have been crucified.

But all of that aside, Cashman clearly wanted a yes man and that's what he got. I'm not sure if Cora qualifies or not but I would guess no.
 
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Boone was a reaction to Girardi. Cora doesn’t have an edge like Joe Girardi’s but he has an edge. Nevin seems to have an edge as well so maybe that’s why the Yankees don’t pull the trigger on Boone.
I think Cashman prides himself on not making kneejerk moves, and it's true that doing that in baseball can often be precisely the wrong thing. In this case, though, Boone was the wrong guy from the start and now that's pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Cashman can choose to waste the rest of the season with a lame-duck manager or try to salvage this season now. I recommend the latter but no one is asking my opinion.
 

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However bad Boone is with the lineup and managing matchups (which I'm not sure he is), he's great with the media. IMO, that's really 70% of the job in New York and Boston. You need a manager that's generally laid back, doesn't say anything controversial and can absorb pressure when things aren't going well. Tito was like that. Torre was also like that. Those are the guys that can last long in the job. Cora's also like that, Boone as well. All the statistics say that Yankees have been unlucky. I would give him until the end of the season. You're likely to get some positive regression soon. Roberts was criticized again and again for failures in the playoffs, failures with trusting relievers too much, with bad matchups, trying to steal outs with starters and loads of other criticisms. In the end, the Dodgers were right to stick by him.

The AL East is brutally competitive this year, but the Yankees have been competitive against good teams. That's really all you can ask. Maybe the fire hitting coach if someone really needs to be fired.
 

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Beltran's highly thought of by everyone and he will probably end up having a long managerial career, but is New York really the best place for him to start? The moment he starts, the questions about the cheating scandal will come. He has to be some zen media manager to survive, given that he's done nothing since the cheating scandal came out. Beltran should do something else first, to change the narrative.

I still think that there's nothing structurally wrong with the roster. The starting rotation is elite and will get better when Severino returns, the bullpen is also elite. The hitting pedigree is great, even factoring in regression for LeMahieu and Torres.
 

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However bad Boone is with the lineup and managing matchups (which I'm not sure he is), he's great with the media. IMO, that's really 70% of the job in New York and Boston. You need a manager that's generally laid back, doesn't say anything controversial and can absorb pressure when things aren't going well. Tito was like that. Torre was also like that. Those are the guys that can last long in the job. Cora's also like that, Boone as well. All the statistics say that Yankees have been unlucky. I would give him until the end of the season. You're likely to get some positive regression soon. Roberts was criticized again and again for failures in the playoffs, failures with trusting relievers too much, with bad matchups, trying to steal outs with starters and loads of other criticisms. In the end, the Dodgers were right to stick by him.

The AL East is brutally competitive this year, but the Yankees have been competitive against good teams. That's really all you can ask. Maybe the fire hitting coach if someone really needs to be fired.
Respectfully, I could not disagree more. Look at Bill Belichick. He treats the media with scorn a lot of the time. Yes, not all managers and head coaches are the same, but the main job is putting your team in the best position to win.

These Yankees look, I don't exactly know, kind of casual. They throw to the wrong base, allow guys to score on a pop up and just seem to lack a bit of urgency.

I know that it's very easy to be critical after a Red Sox sweep, and that the Yankees are not as bad as they looked this weekend and particularly on Sunday. But I've never gotten the Boone attraction. To me, it seems like his biggest qualifications to be the manager are his easy personality and the bomb off Wakefield. I don't hear a lot of insight from him when he talks about his team, as I do with Cora and certain other managers, like Tito amd LaRusssa.

Again, dealing with the media is a part of the job, but what the manager does in order to get his team ready and with in game decision making strikes me as way more important. As a Sox fan, I hope the Yankees share your view and stick with Boone. Cashman seems wed to him and Hal seems absent, so I think I will get my wish for a while longer.
 

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Respectfully, I could not disagree more. Look at Bill Belichick. He treats the media with scorn a lot of the time. Yes, not all managers and head coaches are the same, but the main job is putting your team in the best position to win.

These Yankees look, I don't exactly know, kind of casual. They throw to the wrong base, allow guys to score on a pop up and just seem to lack a bit of urgency.

I know that it's very easy to be critical after a Red Sox sweep, and that the Yankees are not as bad as they looked this weekend and particularly on Sunday. But I've never gotten the Boone attraction. To me, it seems like his biggest qualifications to be the manager are his easy personality and the bomb off Wakefield. I don't hear a lot of insight from him when he talks about his team, as I do with Cora and certain other managers, like Tito amd LaRusssa.

Again, dealing with the media is a part of the job, but what the manager does in order to get his team ready and with in game decision making strikes me as way more important. As a Sox fan, I hope the Yankees share your view and stick with Boone. Cashman seems wed to him and Hal seems absent, so I think I will get my wish for a while longer.
I understand where you're coming from. I just feel that baseball, like other sports, is a more and more player-run league. Like football (the European kind), basketball and other major sports, the best coaches are the ones that are generally 'soft' on players, good with the media and can absorb pressure. The NFL is not the same because players don't play with freedom/individuality, everything is mapped and planned out. In baseball, the best data guys are sitting upstairs, so most of the job of the manager - who bats where in the lineup, how fielders are positioned - is done already (by someone else). Things have changed a lot from 20 years ago. The manager needs to understand some flow of the game but even then, look at the Rays, Cash basically has no freedom with regards to when their starting pitchers are pulled. In the playoffs, no one gets a third time through the order.

The statistics generally say that the Yankees have been really unlucky. The batted ball data is generally good for their hitters and pitchers. They've gotten unlucky with sequencing of hits but I don't see why this won't change.
 

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This is the year where Red Sox fans make a lot of statements about a Yankees team that they only have seen for a short period of time...........and are basically exactly right.
 

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Beltran's highly thought of by everyone and he will probably end up having a long managerial career, but is New York really the best place for him to start? The moment he starts, the questions about the cheating scandal will come. He has to be some zen media manager to survive, given that he's done nothing since the cheating scandal came out. Beltran should do something else first, to change the narrative.

I still think that there's nothing structurally wrong with the roster. The starting rotation is elite and will get better when Severino returns, the bullpen is also elite. The hitting pedigree is great, even factoring in regression for LeMahieu and Torres.
Wait - what? I realize the Sox rotation isn't all that great but where is the elite - other than maybe Spin Doctor. The rest - bleh.
 
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Wait - what? I realize the Sox rotation isn't all that great but where is the elite - other than maybe Spin Doctor in a majority of his starts. The rest - bleh.
Yeah the NYY starters are 7th in fWAR while the Sox are 8th. Both solidly above average but not in White Sox/Mets territory.
 

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I understand where you're coming from. I just feel that baseball, like other sports, is a more and more player-run league. Like football (the European kind), basketball and other major sports, the best coaches are the ones that are generally 'soft' on players, good with the media and can absorb pressure. The NFL is not the same because players don't play with freedom/individuality, everything is mapped and planned out. In baseball, the best data guys are sitting upstairs, so most of the job of the manager - who bats where in the lineup, how fielders are positioned - is done already (by someone else). Things have changed a lot from 20 years ago. The manager needs to understand some flow of the game but even then, look at the Rays, Cash basically has no freedom with regards to when their starting pitchers are pulled. In the playoffs, no one gets a third time through the order.

The statistics generally say that the Yankees have been really unlucky. The batted ball data is generally good for their hitters and pitchers. They've gotten unlucky with sequencing of hits but I don't see why this won't change.
I agree with much of this post, but I also think that a huge part of the job of today's manager is to set the tone. Even-keeled is good, but complacency is bad. It's a fine line. We all know the cliche that baseball is a marathon, not a sprint, but you still need to keep running in a marathon, you can't just walk.
 

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On the Michael Kay radio show this afternoon, they were saying that the front office is calling the shots in terms of lineup
construction, etc. If that is true, I would dump Cashman and Boone. Bring in someone old-school to manage in encumbered from the FO. Maybe Sciosia. Then bring in someone to make some trades.
 

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Fire Cashman? Bring in Sciosia to manage?

Yeah. I know some of you guys are having fun with this, but come on.
 

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Boone was a very arrogant hire by Cashman. A “this is the GM show” hire. As much as front offices are much more fully integrated in calling the shots across the board these days, guys like Cora, Cash, Hinch, even Maddon, still bring a certain presence and aren’t obvious puppets. They’re part of the brain-trust. It seemed clear after the opener fiasco in last year’s playoffs that Boone is Cashman’s stooge.
 

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On the Michael Kay radio show this afternoon, they were saying that the front office is calling the shots in terms of lineup
construction, etc. If that is true, I would dump Cashman and Boone. Bring in someone old-school to manage in encumbered from the FO. Maybe Sciosia. Then bring in someone to make some trades.
Heh, not Bobby V? Come on.
 

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Fire Cashman? Bring in Sciosia to manage?

Yeah. I know some of you guys are having fun with this, but come on.
You just aren't taking it far enough. They need to bring in Scioscia as Player/Manager/General Manager. Imagine the firm hand of Mike Scioscia calling every pitch from behind the plate, thrown by pitchers he signed himself. That will right the ship in no time.
 

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Boone was a very arrogant hire by Cashman. A “this is the GM show” hire. As much as front offices are much more fully integrated in calling the shots across the board these days, guys like Cora, Cash, Hinch, even Maddon, still bring a certain presence and aren’t obvious puppets. They’re part of the brain-trust. It seemed clear after the opener fiasco in last year’s playoffs that Boone is Cashman’s stooge.
Yep, all this is true, and the problem is you can't prepare for everything that might potentially happen in a game beforehand. It's always been very obvious that Boone is a shitty real-time decision maker.
 

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Yep, all this is true, and the problem is you can't prepare for everything that might potentially happen in a game beforehand. It's always been very obvious that Boone is a shitty real-time decision maker.
I also think once the players figure the situation out, that it’s very difficult for the manager to continue.
 

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I can’t believe they blew that game last night. How much lower can it get before something is done to shake up the team?
Cashman is being real stubborn about this, which could be the end of him, too, once the season is over. If he says there’s too much talent on this team after last night’s debacle, somebody should shoot him. The whole point is this team is underperforming and key players have quit on the manager.
 

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Was she singing You’re No Good? Or was it Poor Poor Pitiful Me?
The judges were looking for "I never will marry." Thanks, terrynever, for a morning chuckle.


Boone has limitations, but is he really holding the team's performance back? Cashman should probably take this midpoint of the season as an opportunity to tell the players that Boone isn't going anywhere and it's up to them whether they want to slog through a miserable second half or claw their way into the playoffs.
 
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The judges were looking for "I never will marry." Thanks, terrynever, for a morning chuckle.
I never get half the jokes you guys make, especially when they’re on me.

edit: still don’t get the chuckle thing. Screw it. I’m out of here.
 
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You made an entertaining post about Linda Ronstadt. It was appreciated. A little Ronstadt song title whimsy followed. That's all.
 

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I never get half the jokes you guys make, especially when they’re on me.

edit: still don’t get the chuckle thing. Screw it. I’m out of here.
You made an entertaining post about Linda Ronstadt. It was appreciated. A little Ronstadt song title whimsy followed. That's all.
This. I was just ribbing you a little. Both Ronstadt songs describe the Yankees right now. No offense to you was intended. Hugs? :kitty: