What Can/Should NY Do?
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Pereira thought he was traded yesterday, he got pulled out of the deal when King fell through. This afternoon he hit a HR in his first AB in low A, then this just happened:
View: https://twitter.com/elijfishman/status/1420864691212111876
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Huh, this is goodbye to Voit, I guess.
View: https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES/status/1420873092100993028
View: https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES/status/1420873092100993028
Cashman is certainly making deals like he believes the Yankees need to become more left handed.
Also making deals like they are a contender. They may be. But they’ve been out scored through 100+ games.
Even though Rizzo is a rental, I think all of these moves are primarily about 2022. I will explain in the next post.
This is gonna be great when Boone still manages the team to a 3rd place finish out of the Wild Card.
What does contender mean? Let me put it this way, the sox and Yankees are equally close to the wild card.
Kind of feels like 08. Win the deadline, get pudge...miss the playoffs.
OK, maybe I understand this better now. Here is my educated guess...
2021: NY tried for Story, then they would have moved Gleyber to 2B and DJ to 1B. COL is incapable of pulling the trigger on a reasonable trade so Cashman moved on to Rizzo, who will be the 1B for the rest of the season, giving NY better defense and a LHH compared to Voit, who is constantly hurt. Now NY will trade Voit by tomorrow, and I bet get a solid return for the MLB HR leader last year who is under team control for another 3 seasons.
2022: Rizzo leaves as a FA, NY signs one of the big SSs, DJ goes to 1st.
2021: NY tried for Story, then they would have moved Gleyber to 2B and DJ to 1B. COL is incapable of pulling the trigger on a reasonable trade so Cashman moved on to Rizzo, who will be the 1B for the rest of the season, giving NY better defense and a LHH compared to Voit, who is constantly hurt. Now NY will trade Voit by tomorrow, and I bet get a solid return for the MLB HR leader last year who is under team control for another 3 seasons.
2022: Rizzo leaves as a FA, NY signs one of the big SSs, DJ goes to 1st.
To me it means a legit shot at a title. You know you are likely to get to the postseason and you are looking to get over the hump. Making deals to try to eke into the second wild card seems like a stretch. Like when the Expos traded for Colon that one year.
Like I said in my first post they may well be contenders. The first 101 games seem to tell us otherwise given their record and run differential.
Nah, Jack Curry talked about Voit being traded on Twitter early today, and as a YES employee, he always knows what's actually happening.
Again, even though Rizzo is a rental, I think everything Cashman has done this week is essentially geared towards 2022 and beyond.
That’s fair. I am just trying to picture the reaction if a 53-48 Red Sox team with a negative run differential was making these moves. I think we’d be mocking them.
How much are the Yankees under the cap? That is two good prospects to pay for two months of Rizzo. They must really want the money.
Seems like another steal for the Yankees. The Cubs send the Yankees Rizzo for no salary and they get back two lottery tickets? This is getting irritating.
Everything needs to be put in context, people love to have knee-jerk opinions about things they don't know much about. Cashman realizes that things need to change, so he has started that process.
According to Fangraphs February rankings, they are the #7 (Alcantara) and #11 (Vizcaino) prospects in the system. Considering the Yankees have a strong farm system, if those rankings are close to accurate, that's why they gave NY the money. (Not sure what people think of FG rankings compared to others)
Furthermore, they give Alcantara FV of 50. Before this recent draft there were only 2 Sox prospects who were 50's. Soooo that's why he's not in Boston.
Furthermore, they give Alcantara FV of 50. Before this recent draft there were only 2 Sox prospects who were 50's. Soooo that's why he's not in Boston.
Yeah, they are both good prospects although Alcantara is very far away and Vizcaino has essentially missed the whole year. His changeup is already world-class, though, one of the young SPs they chose to protect over Whitlock.
You know that Cashman is sitting in his office shedding tears for trading prospects that have some value.
These are funny posts back to back. Not meaning to call out either poster. Prospects are always fucking crapshoots.
This is obvious because Voit is going, but still.
View: https://twitter.com/MarlyRiveraESPN/status/1420882353375916037
View: https://twitter.com/MarlyRiveraESPN/status/1420882353375916037
Voit and Schmidt for Berrios. Get it done!
Also, if Clint Frazier makes it through this trade deadline, part of me will die.
Also, if Clint Frazier makes it through this trade deadline, part of me will die.
I don't think they can really trade Frazier because of his currently unknown health status.
You could make a similar list for RH SP prospects and Vizcaino:
View: https://twitter.com/Dan_KellyPSA/status/1420886684049321986
View: https://twitter.com/Dan_KellyPSA/status/1420886684049321986
I don't think the calculus changes given how close the WC spot is.
Edit: And, this isn't all GO FOR IT IN 2020 stuff. Gallo is here next year, maybe they try to extend Rizzo.
Yes, I really think it is mostly about 2022 and beyond. The better question is would they have done all this if Whitlock had been terrible this year.
Good point.Yes, I really think it is mostly about 2022 and beyond. The better question is would they have done all this if Whitlock had been terrible this year.
Must have given some clarity to start getting at least some value from the stockpile rather than give it away for free.
So where is Voit going to go? Current need? Or prospects to replace some of what was spent today? Or both?
If both, maybe an RP with a prospect attached. What I'm really curious about is if Cashman already had a framework of a deal for Voit before pulling the trigger on Rizzo. Something that speaks to current need. Not that an RP wouldn't be a current need, but maybe something bigger than that.
If both, maybe an RP with a prospect attached. What I'm really curious about is if Cashman already had a framework of a deal for Voit before pulling the trigger on Rizzo. Something that speaks to current need. Not that an RP wouldn't be a current need, but maybe something bigger than that.
Yes. Baseball people, unlike fans, do not make decisions based on a few days’ worth of data. As Crow responded, the WC race is the driving force for Cashman.
BTW, Rizzo said recently he doesn’t mind being traded if it helps the Cubs, and he would be open to coming back. Sort of like Chapman in 2016 although Rizzo is more in love with Chicago than Chapman ever was with NY.
This strikes me as a semi-desperate act to remake a poorly constructed underperforming team after getting a stern talking to from ownership, who may be concerned about a nearby competitor currently in 1st place who may steal some fickle hearts, minds and wallets.
What is Voit's value? I genuinely have no idea what he's worth to a team. I would presume he's not valuable to a contender this year, so a team building for next year would do really well to get Voit. Marlins? Twins? Cleveland?