"We're going to Disney World!" NBA to resume season July 31 at WDW

djbayko

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Boo fucking hoo? Really?
Boo fucking hoo to grown adults that are annoyed with other grown adults for wanting to watch* the children’s game they provide you. If they’re willing to turn down $ to play a game - or work a job or do whatever or be whatever or say whatever- then that’s their right. Do you not think they’re going thru the same thing everyone else is? It’s not their job to salvage sanity for society, whether much more important shit is going on or not.
They.
Don’t.
Owe.
Us.
Anything.
They make their money because you, me and everyone else pays it to them. If you think they’re overpaid babies, don’t pay them. Rent a movie, but a book, take up a hobby.
This isn’t directly at you - tho you took some pretty shitty stances in V&N during this all - but I’m so fucking sick and tired of people crying because they aren’t getting their binkies. Grow up.
Who said they owe me anything? This post is based on a straw man. I know you said this isn't pointed directly at me, but you unfortunately chose my post to make your point.
 
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Who said they owe me anything? This entire post is based on a wacky straw man.
Sure man. I’m not going to take the time or energy to snap quotes from the George Floyd threads or the one I just quoted, again, but if you’re crying ‘boo hoo’ for the players and how they aren’t considering what ‘this country is going thru’ then I’m gonna need for you to draw that out if you’re not implying they have some kind of superhero role to draw us out of our funk by dribbling a basketball.
theyre fucking human beings, just like the rest of us. I don’t care particularly how much money they make, if they do not want to be separated from family and locked into hotels that’s their call. Anyone whining about it is a fucking child.
There’s no straw man here. You not saying the explicit words doesn’t mean your sentiment isn’t apparent. Same in the Floyd thread when you ignored my request for clarification in a civil and completely non incendiary manner.
 

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Same in the Floyd thread when you ignored my request for clarification in a civil and completely non incendiary manner.
I haven't been able to see your posts for a few years now, so my lack of response your queries was completely unintentional. I've already addressed your current accusation and don't care to engage in further debate on that. I'm doing just fine without basketball as there are more important things in life than sports. But you're free to believe whatever you want to believe.
 
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I haven't been able to see your posts for a few years now, so my lack of response your queries was completely unintentional. I've already addressed your current accusation and don't care to engage in further debate on that. I'm doing just fine without basketball as there are more important things in life than sports. But you're free to believe whatever you want to believe.
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Guess you ‘unblocked’ me last night, randomly?
 
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Kyrie has volunteered himself to be the face of the movement not to play, and it’s not surprising to see Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard pushing sacrifices that will mostly be borne by others, but there are more thoughtful players (such as Damian Lillard and Malcolm Brogdon) who also have expressed reservations. I’m in listening mode on this one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/sports/nba-season-restart-black-lives-matter.html?referringSource=articleShare
Yeah, I think the players are correct to have reservations. Selflishly, I hope they play but if it were me, I don't know what I would do.

Cross-posting this tweet from main CV thread; obviously the NBA bubble would tend to eliminate clusters (assuming that the players abide by the rule) but it players aren't wrong to be concerned:

In a study of COVID-19 clusters in Japan, 50% of non-healthcare clusters were seeded by 20-39 year olds. The authors noted clusters associated with heavy breathing in close proximity, such as singing karaoke, talking at bars, or exercising at gyms.

View: https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1271973142462939136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1271973142462939136&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231271973142462939136
 

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NBA owners have contributed 5 times as much to Trump as to Democratic challengers. If social justice is what they're after, it's time for players to say enough is enough to their employers. Dolan and the Houston owner are the biggest Trump supporters.
 

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I can't blame Kyrie or other players putting real-life social injustices and racism as a far more important issue to deal with than playing out the balance of the '19-20 NBA season. I'm not going to damn him for that. There are too many other things to damn him for.

While part of me would like to see the NBA season resume, another part considers the season over, and any shortened resumption of the season with a new play-off format, seems asterisk-worthy. As an aside, any Kyrie efforts to keep LBJ and the Lakers from approaching even an asterisk-carrying championship is ok with me.
 

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Thank you WBCD for posting the Lowe piece.

After reading it, it feels kind of wrong to root for basketball returning knowing that some players are legitimately worried about their health or have learned from the last few months how tough it can be to be isolated from family and friends for long periods.

The last thing I would want is one or more of these people to play despite these reservations because they are more worried about their careers etc. I know we all face this to some degree in our own lives and while there are huge sums involved, NBA basketball is simply not essential to the vast majority of people on the planet even if it is to me.

Also, I will say it but the noteworthy uptick in infections as well as hospitalizations going on in some states including Florida suggest that nature may be making the decision for the players and league in any event. Its hard to see a resumption of activities in July if we continue to have sustained case growth above an R of ~1.
 

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Thank you WBCD for posting the Lowe piece.

After reading it, it feels kind of wrong to root for basketball returning knowing that some players are legitimately worried about their health or have learned from the last few months how tough it can be to be isolated from family and friends for long periods.

The last thing I would want is one or more of these people to play despite these reservations because they are more worried about their careers etc. I know we all face this to some degree in our own lives and while there are huge sums involved, NBA basketball is simply not essential to the vast majority of people on the planet even if it is to me.

Also, I will say it but the noteworthy uptick in infections as well as hospitalizations going on in some states including Florida suggest that nature may be making the decision for the players and league in any event. Its hard to see a resumption of activities in July if we continue to have sustained case growth above an R of ~1.
I wonder what the opinion split is between players who have banked significant lifetime earnings and those who haven’t.

I agree that NBA basketball is non-essential, and that has some pretty drastic financial implications for all involved if it just doesn’t get played for awhile. There’s no law of nature that society has to allocate X% of capital to sportsball.

Put another way: what leverage does a player have if his desired outcome is not to play? The negotiating position to other players, owners and fans is “if you accept my demands, I will stop producing entertainment and revenue”? The obvious resolution is to be like “oh ok, you have already achieved your desired outcome of not playing.”

My guess at this point is that a lot of players haven’t fully internalized how fragile the sports business is and think it’s more of a given to continue existing than is warranted. Which is understandable.
 
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Obviously this is a huge logistical challenge and I'm sure the NBA is pretty much locked into the Disney idea. But things aren't trending too well in Florida, a month from now I'm afraid how things will look.

In retrospect, might have been better plan on going to one of the initial hotbeds in the Northeast. Those places were hit hard but have more immunity and currently positive testing rates are well below 5%. I know in theory based on the "bubble", it shouldn't matter and no one should be exposed, but inevitably there will be mistakes made.

Probably nothing can be done now, but will be interesting if the entire NBA ends up flocking to one of the biggest COVID hotspots in the US shortly.
 

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Obviously this is a huge logistical challenge and I'm sure the NBA is pretty much locked into the Disney idea. But things aren't trending too well in Florida, a month from now I'm afraid how things will look.

In retrospect, might have been better plan on going to one of the initial hotbeds in the Northeast. Those places were hit hard but have more immunity and currently positive testing rates are well below 5%. I know in theory based on the "bubble", it shouldn't matter and no one should be exposed, but inevitably there will be mistakes made.

Probably nothing can be done now, but will be interesting if the entire NBA ends up flocking to one of the biggest COVID hotspots in the US shortly.
I can't imagine that's a huge concern if they're quarantined at Disney World. That place can become a completely isolated bubble. The only other place in America that could feasibly host something like this would be locked down Vegas with some empty hotels...and Vegas is no longer locked down.
 

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I can't imagine that's a huge concern if they're quarantined at Disney World. That place can become a completely isolated bubble. The only other place in America that could feasibly host something like this would be locked down Vegas with some empty hotels...and Vegas is no longer locked down.
You're probably right that being in the best "bubble" is more important than avoiding a COVID hotbed. But I doubt they can make this thing perfect and avoid all exposure to all players and personnel at all times. I doubt they are thrilled with the possibility that the rest of Florida might be teeming with COVID in late July.
 

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Sources: NBA teams Disney hotels based on seeding:
-Grand Destino: Bucks, Lakers, Raptors, Clippers, Celtics, Nuggets, Jazz, Heat
-Grand Floridian: Thunder, 76ers, Rockets, Pacers, Mavericks, Nets, Grizzlies, Magic
-Yacht Club: Blazers, Kings, Pelicans, Spurs, Suns, Wizards
So the best teams get the suckiest resort?

Joel Embid with unlimited access to Citrico’s is awesome. Shawn Kemp incoming in 5...4...3..

And not to be outdone, the thought of Kyrie trying to carry on a conversation with the staff at Victoria and Albert’s warms my heart.
 

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I haven't been to Disney in about 15 years, and stayed the last two times at the Grand Floridian, I thought it was a nice hotel, better than the Polynesain Village (but they had a fun authentic luau-my kid loved it). Bummer about Kyrie. I bet he'd like the Princess breakfast buffet.
 

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Young Stars on verge of getting paid worried about injury; talking to NBA an PA about some form of insurance. Just another detail to work out.

It's unclear if this is just piggybacking on the same article, but Tatum specifically may have expressed reluctance to play for this reason:


Then there’s the threat of injury, which is especially significant to players on the verge of big contracts. According to a source, Boston Celtics’ forward Jayson Tatum, who is eligible for a max extension in the offseason, has expressed reluctance to play for that reason.
 

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I have yet to hear why the threat of injury is greater now than any other time.
 

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plus I find hilarious the idea that if (god forbid) Jason Tatum pulls a hamstring, he'll be in jeopardy of not getting a max contract.

Maybe if you wander down to the Everglades, find a crocodile and get your leg bitten off and eaten, that could affect things. For anything sustained on a basketball court, it will affect your future virtually not at all.
 

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plus I find hilarious the idea that if (god forbid) Jason Tatum pulls a hamstring, he'll be in jeopardy of not getting a max contract.
I think he's more concerned about a Hayward-type injury than a hamstring pull. I'm sure there is a way to work this stuff out with insurance though.

I can't get over DeSantis.... the idea that he could report those numbers in a press conference without double checking them or realizing the implication of that apparent result is mind boggling.
 

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I think he's more concerned about a Hayward-type injury than a hamstring pull. I'm sure there is a way to work this stuff out with insurance though.

I can't get over DeSantis.... the idea that he could report those numbers in a press conference without double checking them or realizing the implication of that apparent result is mind boggling.
I think Insta’s point though is that Tatum isn’t at any greater risk for a Hayward type event in Orlando vs. normal NBA arenas/practice facilities. If the concern is COVID impacting his future earnings, that’s one thing but normal on court injury risk should be the same.
 

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Yeah, in a world where Wesley Mathews got 4/72 post-Achilles, and Porzingis got insta-maxed without seeing the court, there's not much Tatum can do that would leave him un-maxed. I think even if (god forbid) he had a Hayward or PG-13 happen to him, some franchise like Phoenix would throw the max at him for the upside benefit, and it would absolutely be the right decision. Hell, the Celtics probably still sign him in that case.
 

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Agreed the increased risk of a non-muscle injury in Orlando is minimal to none vs a normal NBA game. Maybe he should have had some type of insurance regardless, doesn't make much sense from him to bail on Orlando for this reason.

Additionally, Tatum has probably reached excess max contract value and very few things could derail that, even a season ending injury. If there is any added risk at all, it's for the rest of the league more than guys like Tatum.
 

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The issue is that there are SO MANY different factors that might be concerning players at the moment that wouldn't be a big deal individually but are a big deal taken together. For example if something like 10% of players are a little nervous about playing during COVID-19, that in and of itself might be an addressable issue. But when you add on, say, 10% of players that are concerned about the season detracting from the protests, 10% of players pissed about having to live in the "bubble," and 5% of players concerned about injury risk (regardless of how justifiable that concern actually is), even if there is some overlap between the groups you've suddenly got like a quarter to a third of the league that has serious reservations about playing and a whole multitude of issues the NBA will need to address before most of that group is comfortable.