Week 9 Game Thread

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Kick it, go for it, whatever. This Packers team probably will not win another game the rest of the season. And yes, I know they have a game with the Browns.
 

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Oh, your question was rhetorical. LOL. Anyway, I'm one of those people that believe you can't separate BB's success from Brady's or Brady's success from BB's, but I firmly hold the opinion that had it not been Brady, BB would have still had an amazing coaching career, and wouldn't be anywhere near the conversation of guys like Jeff Fisher. He wouldn't have five rings, 7 conference championships, etc., but I think he's still probably a HOF coach. We may never know, or we may very well find out after TB12 is done. I'm hoping it waits for a long, long time either way.
I quite agree with your whole statement, and especially the bolded - and you're making my point for me, which is that statistics like "If you take that HOF QB away from that HOF coach, his record isn't that special!" are not worth the paper they're not printed on. Doing so for Fisher is every bit as empty a number as it would be for even the HOF-grade coaches, which Fisher is (we hope) assuredly not.

2001 was a miracle season driven by insanely great coaching and a front 7 that could pull a rabbit out of its hat at any moment, and going 11-5 with Matt Cassel solidified Belichick's legend, though I still hold that his finest coaching hour with the Patriots was the 2006 playoff game at SD. We have plenty of on-field evidence of Brady's genius, and are fortunate to also have plenty of non-Brady-related evidence of Belichick's genius too, so that we don't have to answer an either/or question with anything but "both!".

As to last season, I hold that he went 2-0 with Garoppolo, 1-0 with Brissett, and 0-1 with the mangled remains of Brissett's right arm starting at QB. There are times I think he just ups the degree of difficulty to see what he can get away with at this point, since he's playing the game on Easy Mode.
 

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At 12:40 In the 2nd quarter on the 50 vs the Bengals, Blake Bortles call out an audible or protection call - "Tedy Bruschi alert 59!"
 

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He has a 100-68 regular season record, which sounds great until you realize they won 48 of those games during a 4 year stretch, a stretch in which he missed an entire season due to a suspension for Bountygate.
They went 7-9 in the year he missed; they went 13-3 (and Super Bowl), 11-5, 13-3, 7-9 (without Payton), 11-5, then began the current streak of 7-9s.
 

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I think that's pretty close to accurate. For me, the true Eli of head coaches is Sean Payton down in New Orleans. That's a guy who has had one of the greatest QB's in NFL history for his entire 11 year career, and outside of the Super Bowl year, he has exactly 3 playoff wins, and a total of 5 playoff appearances (including the SB year). In the last 3 years, they've gone 7-9 in all three.

He has a 100-68 regular season record, which sounds great until you realize they won 48 of those games during a 4 year stretch, a stretch in which he missed an entire season due to a suspension for Bountygate.

If any coach in Football needed a hot start more than Payton did this year, I don't know who it is, although I'm pretty sure New Orleans would never fire the guy because of the one super bowl victory he did give them.
So Payton is a poor man’s Don Shula, who got to exactly one Super Bowl with Dan Marino, a game in which the Dolphins got flogged?

And it’s not as if Shula can lay blame for this. Total control. Either Shula the GM fucked Shula the HC, vice versa, or a combination of both. And I’m willing to write off the last years during which he hobbled home.

But sweet Jesus, fly speck his Mt. Rushmore profile at the pain of death.

BB boat raced him when gifted with a comparable QB. And he did it during a more difficult era in terms of keeping a team together. Shula is a bright man, and I think this accounts for the old man bitterness.
 

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I don't get the Shula comment. Did you mean to only keep it to his Marino years? You left out some Super Bowl trips.

And not sure why only focused on that part of his career.

Unless it's a poor mans don shula with Dan Marino. Now it makes more sense.


Edit. Nope. As don shula would be a poor mans Sean Peyton as Shula/Marino didn't win one.

Ehh too early in morning for me right now.
 

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I don't get the Shula comment. Did you mean to only keep it to his Marino years? You left out some Super Bowl trips.

And not sure why only focused on that part of his career.

Unless it's a poor mans don shula with Dan Marino. Now it makes more sense.


Edit. Nope. As don shula would be a poor mans Sean Peyton as Shula/Marino didn't win one.

Ehh too early in morning for me right now.
His best work was pre-Marino, and he deserves great credit for being successful a long time over different eras. Overall, 2 and 4 in Super Bowls, including being on the wrong side of the second biggest upset and the transformational game in NFL history. “poor man’s” an important qualification. My main point was not to be too critical of what Payton got from Brees.