Week 8 Game Thread

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Charles Harris already 100x the player Dion Jordan was.
 

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Not going to argue that wasn’t dirty...
But I think Kiko knew where the sticks were and wasn’t expecting the slide. He exploded on him like he was protecting that line.
 

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I clearly am in the minority. It he didn't want to get hit he should have started his slide two yards earlier. It looks bad in slow motion, but going full speed against someone going for a first down you're either attempting to make a play or conceding it.
 

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The slide was probably too late for Alonso to not hit him at all but the issue was he didn't pull back even a little.
I'm surprised he is still in the game and wouldn't be surprised if there is additional discipline later.
 

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I don't what Alonso is supposed to do there, frankly. Flacco was trying to get the first and Alonso was the only thing stopping him. Flacco chose to go for it and then slid at the last second when he saw that it wasn't going to happen.

If Harbaugh has a problem it should be with his QB. Flacco got himself killed there.
 

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Not going to argue that wasn’t dirty...
But I think Kiko knew where the sticks were and wasn’t expecting the slide. He exploded on him like he was protecting that line.
Flacco's slide gave plenty of time for Alonso to pull up. He chose instead to headhunt. It was willful and repulsive.

I say this as someone who likes Alonso as a player. (And generally dislikes Flacco.)
 

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The slide was probably too late for Alonso to not hit him at all but the issue was he didn't pull back even a little.
I'm surprised he is still in the game and wouldn't be surprised if there is additional discipline later.
Yeah this, the slide was late but he used it as an excuse to murder the QB and cost his team four points.

Dolphins aren’t very good, as we all knew.
 

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I don't what Alonso is supposed to do there, frankly. Flacco was trying to get the first and Alonso was the only thing stopping him. Flacco chose to go for it and then slid at the last second when he saw that it wasn't going to happen.

If Harbaugh has a problem it should be with his QB. Flacco got himself killed there.
I'm going to bet that the good folks at NFL headquarters will disagree with you.
 

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Quoted and had something post.I didn’t mean to...
So, as to write something - the Dolphins suck, and I hate myself for allowing them to waste valuable minutes of my life.

Also, agree with Romo and others in the thread...As a viewer, I was shocked Flacco slid there, can’t imagine Kiko was expecting it, but did think he could have let up some.
 

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Flacco's slide gave plenty of time for Alonso to pull up. He chose instead to headhunt. It was willful and repulsive.

I say this as someone who likes Alonso as a player. (And generally dislikes Flacco.)
During the commerical I watched the whole play frame by frame on the DVR. There is literally one frame between Flacco's ass hitting the ground and Alonso hitting Flacco.
 

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Nobody hates the Ravens more than I but even I know that was a dirty hit on Flacco. Alonso should be thrown out and suspended. That was bullshit.
 

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I'm going to bet that the good folks at NFL headquarters will disagree with you.
Well of course they will. The folks at NFL headquarters, rightfully, place safety above fairness. And I think doing so has been good for the game.

I just don't know what he's supposed to do there. Let up early when he thinks Flacco might go down? Try to make a play but only at half speed in case Flacco slides at the last minute? Basically, to not draw a penalty he has to allow Flacco to possibly get the first.

I realize I'm in the wrong here but I thought the whole thing was caused by Flacco going for the first and sliding way too late.
 

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This is some incredible clock managemen going on here

Callling time-outs so ryan mallett can hand off three times and punt not Harbaughs best strategic gambit
 

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I respectfully disagree. Alonso had plenty of time to pull up and he chose instead to lean in and drive through his hit.
You can't disagree with a fact. There's one frame. I could post the three frames sequentially.

Whether or not he should have anticipated Flacco sliding or pulled up as Flacco jumped into the air is a debatable question. Flacco should have started his slide at least a yard earlier.
 

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You can't disagree with a fact. There's one frame. I could post the three frames sequentially.

Whether or not he should have anticipated Flacco sliding or pulled up as Flacco jumped into the air is a debatable question. Flacco should have started his slide at least a yard earlier.
There's one frame between when Flacco's ass actually hits the ground and when he gets hit. Ok. But that's not the most relevant issue. Guys start visibly sliding long before their ass hits the ground.

Even if he can't pull all the way off, he can avoid throwing a forearm straight into his head. If he's coming in at full speed expecting to hit a running Flacco, and it's too late to stop, then why does he end up hitting him LOW, right where his head is, maybe 2 feet off the ground? Come on.
 

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You can't disagree with a fact. There's one frame. I could post the three frames sequentially.

Whether or not he should have anticipated Flacco sliding or pulled up as Flacco jumped into the air is a debatable question. Flacco should have started his slide at least a yard earlier.
Sure I can.

The issue isn't when Flacco's ass hit the ground, its when he starts his slide. And from when he started his slide, there was plenty of time for Alonso to ease up instead of dipping his shoulder - which only happens if he sees and reacts to the slide - and driving through Flacco's head.
 

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There's one frame between when Flacco's ass actually hits the ground and when he gets hit. Ok. But that's not the most relevant issue. Guys start visibly sliding long before their ass hits the ground.

Even if he can't pull all the way off, he can avoid throwing a forearm straight into his head. If he's coming in at full speed expecting to hit a running Flacco, and it's too late to stop, then why does he end up hitting him LOW, right where his head is, maybe 2 feet off the ground? Come on.
I'll fully concede the top point is debatable. I think it happened too fast in real life, but could see reasonable minds disagreeing.

I'd argue he hit him low because that's how players are told to tackle in today's NFL.
 

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I'll fully concede the top point is debatable. I think it happened too fast in real life, but could see reasonable minds disagreeing.

I'd argue he hit him low because that's how players are told to tackle in today's NFL.
No LB in the game is going low on a big, slow scrambling QB. He's gonna light him up. Also, if Flacco is going to stay on his feet and run for the first, hitting him low probably allows him to fall forward and get the first. As AR says above, the only way Alonso got him that low is because he had time to adjust and do it intentionally.
 

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Totally understand the points and perspectives made. My original reaction based 100% on full speed, and also one of the first posts, was that the slide by Flacco was very late and contact was unavoidable. Maybe could have been slightly altered, but he was making solid contact with Flacco in my opinion. And I do believe he wanted to hit Flacco hard.