Week 5 - Colts @ Patriots

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Short week, so time for a new thread.

The Zombie Pats are not dead yet, it seems. Miami came into Gillette riding a 3-0 start with a chance to take a commanding lead in the division at the quarter point. But as we have seen time and time again during the BB/TB era, the Patriots not only figured out a way to win, they dominated the Dolphins from start to finish to climb back to 2-2, and Miami left New England again wondering what it'll take to finally kill this team.

Everyone feels a little better about this team than they did a week ago. That said, this week is, again, pretty much a must win. We know the Pats do not look past their current opponent, but I can. The schedule suddenly looks a little tougher than we otherwise thought over the next few weeks with the Chiefs looking like maybe the best team in the NFL. After that, the suddenly frisky Titans and the rejuvenated Bears are lurking. That'll be a pretty tough three game stretch, they need to take care of business this week on the short week against a wounded 1-3 Colts team.

Fact of the Week: Since the Deflategate game in January 2015 the Colts have gone 21-31 and have missed the playoffs for three straight seasons, while the Pats have gone 48-13 (including playoffs), played in three Super Bowls and won two of them. Fuck the Colts.
 
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It seems likely that T.Y. Hilton will be OUT for this game, which leaves a Colts’ WR corps of Chester Rogers and Ryan Grant.

Hold the running game in check. Control Ebron/Doyle at TE (Doyle may also miss), and this should be a game the Patriots can control defensively.

I am excited to welcome back Brady Binky Jules and see what this offense at full strength, finally, can look like. Gronk and Gordon both go off on Thursday night.

Win.
 

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Last time we saw Jules in a real game he was asking Bill whether the White TD had been confirmed. Amazing that his last catch in a real game was the one that got them down around the 30 in overtime. What can we expect nearly 2 years later?
 

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Posted this in week 2 pre-game thread, sticking with it:
It feels like we've been at this point before in the script of "Pats team struggling to round into early season form."

With three apparent cupcake games ahead on the schedule (@DET, MIA, IND), I fully expect...
- one comfortable win
- one near-loss that sends everyone into a mild panic
- one outright loss that sends everyone into a severe panic

... setting up a week 6 showdown with KC where we worry about the Pats getting embarrassed in their own building, only to see them come out and lay down the smack, setting up a 9-1 run to close the season with another 13-3 campaign.
So, we got the horrifying loss (@DET) and the easy win (MIA) out of the way. That means we're due for the ugly win. Feels right for a Thurs game. 20-17 Pats.
 

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I can't find the exact numbers, but the Pats D played something like 48 plays while the Colts D played around 89 in their OT loss. That should help the cause.
 

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Win Thursday, beat KC and they could actually be sitting pretty at 4-2, even considering the battle for HFA. Short week, at home, Edelman is back, no execuse not to beat the Colts.
 

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I can't find the exact numbers, but the Pats D played something like 48 plays while the Colts D played around 89 in their OT loss. That should help the cause.
Colts D will probably be fresh but that is because they are going to be relying on PS squad and/or street FA's in this one. They are down 3 CB, S and stud LB Darius Leonard.
 

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I wonder if the Patriots will do the same thing with the Colts RBs and WRs this week as they did last week. They jammed the Dolphins RB's and WR's off the line of scrimmage or chipped them out of the backfield and disrupted their timing. The Colts passing game does not have a deep threat with Hilton out so the underneath stuff is the basis of their offense.
 

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Edelman and Gronk haven't played together in 31 games? What?

Edelman second most recent catch was his ridiculous midfield catch against the Falcons.

Crazy.
 

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Is Gronk expected to play in this game? I saw a few notes about him not being present for morning activities/classroom portion of yesterday, and I could see them wanting to give him 10 days rather than 3 to get healthy...
 

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Colts have already ruled out TY Hilton, Marlon Mack, Hassan Ridgeway, Kenny Moore, Jack Doyle, Denzelle Good, and Quincy Wilson while 6 others are questionable including starting OL Anthony Castonzo and Ryan Kelly, Adam Vinitieri, Darius Leonard, CB Nate Hairston, and S Clayton Geathers. Wow.
 

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Thursday Night Football is effing stupid.

This has been your weekly reminder that Thursday Night Football is effing stupid.

On the other hand, who wants to see the top players on the field anyway?
 

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Colts have already ruled out TY Hilton, Marlon Mack, Hassan Ridgeway, Kenny Moore, Jack Doyle, Denzelle Good, and Quincy Wilson while 6 others are questionable including starting OL Anthony Castonzo and Ryan Kelly, Adam Vinitieri, Darius Leonard, CB Nate Hairston, and S Clayton Geathers. Wow.
The technical term for this is “punt.”
 

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Gronk/Edelman/Gordon against a shitty defense. Let’s see what these guys can do together!
 

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I’m interested to see what the return of Jules plus the expansion of Gordon’s role will mean for the WR depth chart.
It should mean more opportunities to go with 4 WRs or even 5, as opposed to “5 wide” meaning that the wideouts were Gronk, Dorset, Allen, Develin and white.
 

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Assuming Edelman can still get open on his own, this offense is about to get massively better.
 

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Assuming Edelman can still get open on his own, this offense is about to get massively better.
Yup. Gronk/Gordon/Edelman is a hell of an offensive trio with Hogan/Dorsett/Patterson going back to being good supporting pieces, which they are better-suited for. You then have 2 dynamic RBs in the backfield, one of whom has basically the same connection with Brady as Edelman. If the OL holds up, Brady will finally be able to search for the weak link in the defense and exploit it.
 

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Gronk/Edelman/Gordon against a shitty defense. Let’s see what these guys can do together!
I'm still thinking that Gronk will not be a factor tonight in the passing game. Last week he was not involved as he usually was and off a short week I can't see it being any bigger of a role. I really wished they would have him sit tonight and give him more time to get ready for KC but there's a financial element to him being active as well.
 

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I'm still thinking that Gronk will not be a factor tonight in the passing game. Last week he was not involved as he usually was and off a short week I can't see it being any bigger of a role. I really wished they would have him sit tonight and give him more time to get ready for KC but there's a financial element to him being active as well.
Hollister's status is up in the air, too. We might get a lot of Dwayne Allen tonight.
 

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I'm still thinking that Gronk will not be a factor tonight in the passing game. Last week he was not involved as he usually was and off a short week I can't see it being any bigger of a role. I really wished they would have him sit tonight and give him more time to get ready for KC but there's a financial element to him being active as well.
I get you, but they've had no hesitation about holding him out of games in the past, so maybe there's not much of an issue.

And the role might not be bigger, but just getting him on the field while Edelman is out there is bad news for the defense.
 

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I get you, but they've had no hesitation about holding him out of games in the past, so maybe there's not much of an issue.

And the role might not be bigger, but just getting him on the field while Edelman is out there is bad news for the defense.
Yeah, even him as a decoy with the full compliment of receivers out on the field should open up others.
 

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I want a big Josh Gordon game so bad it hurts. Hopefully tonight is the night.
 

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Any guesses on tonight's inactives? How about who is getting cut when JE11 gets activated?

Here's last week's list:
  • Jacob Hollister, TE
  • Eric Rowe, CB
  • Geneo Grissom, DE
  • Cole Croston, OL
  • Ted Karras, OL
  • Keionta Davis, DL
  • Derek Rivers, DE
 

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Davis is my bet.

Anyway, if you're looking to gin up some rage in advance of tonight, no better approach than to read every word of this.
The absolute best part of this article is to read these two quotes, both from Indy-centric people (emphasis is my own):

Bill Polian, Colts president and vice chairman 1997-2011, current ESPN analyst:
"I don't think it was made into a bigger deal than it should have been. It was a big deal. It occurred in a championship game. There was a rule that was broken. The league investigated, and what took place after was up to the people involved. Patriots fans feel very strongly about it, and I'm sure people on the other side feel very strongly about it. It was not a big deal about nothing, no matter what anybody says."

Pat McAfee, Colts punter 2009-16: "I think anybody with a brain could figure out that Deflategate was turned into something that was much larger than it needed to be. If it was a close game and there seemed to be a chance that we could have won, I think it has a means for a conversation possibly. But the fact we got blown out and it carried into a year-and-a-half investigation with millions of dollars being spent on both sides, I think anybody with a brain would say it was blown out of proportion."
 

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Any guesses on tonight's inactives? How about who is getting cut when JE11 gets activated?

Here's last week's list:
  • Jacob Hollister, TE
  • Eric Rowe, CB
  • Geneo Grissom, DE
  • Cole Croston, OL
  • Ted Karras, OL
  • Keionta Davis, DL
  • Derek Rivers, DE
That would be pretty close to my guesses. Maybe Schwenke for Karras or could deactivate one of the other DL either Butler or Shelton if they are banged up enough to miss the game. Not many options for healthy scratches.
 

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I'd guess that if someone went to Sons of Norm Bulaich and posted about a rumor they heard that McDaniels was in Indy just long enough to get a peek at the Colts' playbook, that those words would be passing through Bill Polian's lips before Sunday.