It was 3rd down, so no spike after the play if they dont get a 1st down or get sacked. That would be an even more Eberflussian failure.
This. What is the fear? I understand the "13 seconds" legacy is there, but you're likely leaving him 8-10 seconds after the kickoff, and even if Mahomes should get his kicker in range, Matthew Wright is not Harrison Butker. Carlson might miss the kick, but if he does that's on him. This is on the coach.
It's impossible to tell from the one replay what caused the flags.
I think some are saying that KC was aided in recovering the ball because the whistle caused players to stop playing and I don't believe the replay shows that to be the case.
In the second screenshot the official is already running onto the field shutting the play down. The timing of the flag isn’t really relevant
The flag was for a dead ball foul. The whistle was blown simultaneously with the snap, the snap didn’t happen by rule. And then the officials changed their minds and allowed dead ball action to be treated as live ball
They shouldn't allow Alan Eck and his flag happy crew near any game where at least one team sucks (Pats Sunday, Bears Thursday). Makes the game interminable. What the teams don't do to earn penalties we'll just make sure we call anyway.
That was my take as well. The Raiders weren't standing around while the Chiefs recovered the ball. They were trying just as hard to recover it.
I think that's why the flag came out "late".
It was 3rd and 3, which is why throwing it 5-10 yards works. If everyone is covered past the sticks, just throw it away, but KC is undoubtedly covering the sidelines and a 5-10 yard catch should be easy enough. Imo you are at a spot on the field where those 5-10 yards matter, especially given your kicker issues, and it was worth it
Except one ref clearly signaled FALSE START while running in and blowing the play dead and not illegal procedure. The entire ref crew stopped reffing at that point, and half the players stopped moving. Live ball foul, the ref stays out wide and continues to officiate.
As long as a single ref is running in calling for a false start and blowing the play dead, refs are required to honor it and follow suit. It’s a great rule of thumb, because otherwise you end up with chaos like this. One ref was clearly doing that.
IMO the only remedy isn’t to enforce a false start, which you really can’t have by rule. Just have to admit that you shut it down in error, there is no play and no foul. Just gotta eat it.
Well you can still false start in theory and one dude was waving his arms and the outside WR might have also moved (?), so why not just call that? I’m saying instead of illegal procedure, just call it a run of the mill false start. That’s still a dead ball foul, it’s just the illegal procedure that is not, right?
The clock wasn’t running on third down because O’Connell spiked the ball on second down.
Yeah they’re not lying about the rule, they are lying about what they called
OR, the ref at the top of the screen fucked up because he forgot the difference between the clock being stopped and the clock being live? Do we think that the ref at the bottom was calling a different penalty because he threw his flag - presumably - for the exact same penalty, but didn't run on to the field to try and stop the play because he remembered the rule? Ref at the top of the screen fucked up, they huddle up and came to the correct conclusion. It's also not clear if it was an errant whistle because on the one replay there's no audible whistle until the ball is recovered.
The official at the bottom was calling it correctly and the official at the top was not. That is not really in dispute. But the problem is the official at the top called a dead ball foul. The play is dead. The whistle was blown / the ball was signaled as dead. It doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong, the play is still dead.
You’re probably right in what happened, but the enforcement mechanism was still incorrect. They cannot by their own regulations pretend a whistle was never blown. Once the ref runs in, the play is dead. They either own up to their mistake and replay the down or just call a false start to cover it. You can’t cost a team a game because of your mistake by pretending it never happened. Players stopped playing and refs stopped reffing. They broke their own rules.
I think the only way to say that this play was called incorrectly is to say the whistle was blown or not. Please re-watch the replay with the sound up. Granted Arrowhead is loud af but I don't hear a whistle until the ball is recovered. It isn't clear the guy at the top blew his whistle. Players definitely didn't stop playing, nor do I see the ref at the top do anything accept run on the field with no hand signal until the recovery and no definitive whistle.
No, the ref running in IS the signal. The play was objectively blown dead. Period. Players and refs see that they stop playing, which is exactly what happened.
Some of us want the chiefs to lose and suffer every game.
Forgiving? I've been on this guy royally fucking up since last night when you said this >
If he actually and definitively blew the whistle errantly than I'll concede that the Raiders got screwed. He was right by the Raiders bench so if he did I'm sure we'll here. Until that point, making assumptions about what happened is doing the heavy lifting for this guy's work last night.
They are not a traditional rival. They did not end our recent run of success. This hatred is bred of petty thinking that assumes anything they do can diminish our recent stretch of sustained excellence. There's nothing they can do that can ever do that.
Im just coming from knowing the line of scrimmage mechanics. Most fouls are a “throw then blow”, as in you throw the flag, then finish the play and blow the whistle. False start is “blow then throw”, you are supposed to blow the whistle before even reaching for your flag.
The Cowboys probably have a better claim to that, and the only reason they've less of a chance of making the playoffs is the difference in the records of the teams at the top of their respective divisions.
Because your defensive line gets to face Laken Tomlinson and two rookies on the interior OL?
