Week 13 NFL Game Thread
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Chris Collinsworth: “It’s amazing how Patrick Mahomes scared the rookie center so much he snapped the ball when the Raiders weren’t ready. I’m telling you this guys is amazing!”
Yeah that was mind-numbing watching live with them still in the huddle with 10 seconds left and no timeouts, at the only hope was a quick snap and throwing it OOB. That was so bad my head hurts.
Okay, so walk me through it--he snapped it, that's not a false start. No one moved til he snapped it.
Herbstreit said the guard tapped the center to let him know the offense was ready. Not sure if O’Connell fell asleep or if the guard was wrong to signal.
Watching this Chiefs team must've been like watching the 2003 Patriots for the rest of the NFL.
I mean, I saw pretty much every game during the Brady Era but this run of KC fortune goes way beyond.
there’s no such thing as clutch, there are people who choke under pressure and people who choke less
I'm just saying what he was yelling about. At one point he actually made the signal for illegal procedure to the sideline to indicate that he thought they'd keep the ball.
Every single coach should have at least 5+ years in playing Madden. Between the Bears game and this game, the time management skill is absolutely atrocious.
Did the Raiders think spiking the ball is a timeout? The huddle broke at 9 seconds remaining. Just stupid coaching.
Did the Raiders think spiking the ball is a timeout? The huddle broke at 9 seconds remaining. Just stupid coaching.
Eh, not until Juju wins a game by touching a ball while lying unconscious out of bounds.
Raiders going 5-4 to end last season was probably more a byproduct of everyone being happy McDaniels was gone rather than Pierce being a good head coach.
This is what it felt like for a neutral to watch the Pats from 2001-2019, isn’t it — just watching opponents’ brains melt down in real time?
Why would snapping the ball when the QB wasn't looking be a false start? Maybe there was a false start and then the snap? Either way that camera angle doesn't help answer the questions.
I didn't say the video showed the false start, just that the official up top is signaling one.
Perhaps the WR on his side wasn't set? Either way, he's blowing the play dead.
I'm sorry--what point do you think I'm making?
Ignore random guy's words and just look at video, which is only reason I'm posting it. The official is blowing play dead which signals he was calling a false start, no? I didn't think he called it because of the snap. My assumption was he called it because WR up top isn't set, but I don't know. My only question is if an official is blowing play dead, why was play allowed to continue?
I'm asking for my edification, that's all.
Right, I'm wondering what the ref is looking at the would have him calling it a false start. As far as we know, the center snapped it early and they called an illegal shift because someone wasn't set. I think the most likely answer to the ref signaling false start is that he made the wrong signal. It also looks/sounds like the ball was recovered before any whistles. Hopefully another camera angle clarifies the situation.
I don’t really understand the question. The play WAS shut down. The official at the top definitely had a false start. Play was not allowed to continue.
What’s the question? Did they enforce something other than a false start?
It was called a fumble by the offense recovered by the defense, and an illegal shift which was declined, ending the game.
Oh yeah that’s a fucking mess. So, there is a similarity between false start and illegal shift. If the players are moving at the snap (and not legal motion), it’s typically a false start. However if all 11 got set, and then you have players in motion, it’s an illegal shift. So it’s possible the official at the top didn’t realize that all 11 players had gotten set earlier in the play or had a difference in opinion about whether a player was set.
He definitely had a false start. He didn’t give the wrong signal. And the play was shut down immediately as it should have been for a false start. I’m guessing the officials convened, realized they fucked up by calling it a dead ball foul and tried to paper over it by “doing the right thing” and giving the ball to the defense.
If that ref was blowing his whistle while running toward the play and moving his arms, I don't see how "doing the right thing" is letting that play stand.
The players closest to him stopped playing.
My biggest problem isn't even that they screw it up, it's that the pretty clearly blow the whistle before a recovery, and it's INCREDIBLY dumb to say "stop play at the whistle" and then punish teams by saying "whoops we messed up, so actually the whistle shouldn't count and if you did what you are supposed to you get punished.
It's a clusterfuck and it worked in favor of a team that has seemingly received all the breaks for a while now. It's hard not to think there's more going on here, either consciously or subconsciously
It’s not, but when you know you fuck up the natural instinct is to do what is “equitable”. The thought it “hey, the whistle almost certainly didn’t make the player fumble or the defense recover it, if we just give it to the defense we won’t be on SportsCenter”.
They could’ve treated that as an inadvertent whistle and replayed the down, no?
The result they landed on sucked.
The result they landed on sucked.
I don’t even see an illegal shift. Illegal formation, maybe, and it looked like a false start as well. The ref down bottom also threw a flag, but not to stop the clock. However, whenever one ref runs in to stop the play, it has to be honored, even if he got the call wrong (which I don’t even think happened). That was a big fuckup.
I thought the Raiders strategy was good, honestly. Throw over the middle for 5-10, then spike it. 15 seconds is enough time to safely do that.
I thought the Raiders strategy was good, honestly. Throw over the middle for 5-10, then spike it. 15 seconds is enough time to safely do that.
You can't blow the whistle and let the play result stand after that whistle. That's just never going to work, regardless of the basis for the whistle. In that scenario, the refs have to eat it and stick with the whistle ending the play. The Raiders got excited and shat themselves, but so did the refs. And that's usually one of the better crews no?