The drive after the strip sack set the tone. They didn’t fold and came right back and punched Philly in the mouth.There were some bad calls in that game, but Washington really went in and executed.
The drive after the strip sack set the tone. They didn’t fold and came right back and punched Philly in the mouth.There were some bad calls in that game, but Washington really went in and executed.
Wentz will absolutely put up better numbers than Heinecke. He will also somehow find a way to win less games.
Changed the rule recently.Didn't Washington need to kick the extra point? Or did they change the rules?
Yes, although if you're going to drop a random game, you wouldn't want it to be one in the division.Probably a blessing in disguise for Philly. The undefeated noise would have just gotten louder as the season went on.
I thought it did1. Heinecke’s pass didn’t make the line of scrimmage. Difference of 20+ yards.
2. Personal foul for hitting a ball carrier while he was literally still in-bounds. 15 yards.
3. Miss an obvious face mask penalty. Should have been Philly ball +15 yards instead turnover.
4. The ridiculous game-ending flop.
Philly earned the L themselves but none of that shit helped matters.
I don't remember the Heinicke pass. The face mask miss was egregious. You're wrong about the fourth one - Graham took three steps at a guy who was on his knees having given himself up and piled into him. It wasn't a CRUSHING blow, and yes Heinecke played it up a little, but Graham had every opportunity to not hit him at all.1. Heinecke’s pass didn’t make the line of scrimmage. Difference of 20+ yards.
2. Personal foul for hitting a ball carrier while he was literally still in-bounds. 15 yards.
3. Miss an obvious face mask penalty. Should have been Philly ball +15 yards instead turnover.
4. The ridiculous game-ending flop.
Philly earned the L themselves but none of that shit helped matters.
The whistle came and Graham took two more steps. I know the speed of the game is really fast, but this was a no-brainer call by the refs. They'll call that every time.I think it's probably the right call. However, I think Graham's argument is probably that he was touching Heinicke down. There was no whistle until right before the hit and Heinicke was moving some. Graham didn't hit him hard. Most likely trying to get the clock stopped as soon as possible. Nonetheless while Heinicke didn't slide, it was pretty clear he was giving himself up. Close call but in this day and age, that hit is going to draw the flag more often than not.
I’m sorry but this is simply not true. The whistle had not blown by the time Graham was into his slide. Literally no whistle until then. I just watched it again to make sure. I’d find the video and post it here but I’m on my phone.The whistle came and Graham took two more steps. I know the speed of the game is really fast, but this was a no-brainer call by the refs. They'll call that every time.
1. Heinecke’s pass didn’t make the line of scrimmage. Difference of 20+ yards.
2. Personal foul for hitting a ball carrier while he was literally still in-bounds. 15 yards.
3. Miss an obvious face mask penalty. Should have been Philly ball +15 yards instead turnover.
4. The ridiculous game-ending flop.
Philly earned the L themselves but none of that shit helped matters.
Agreed except for (2). That was for helmet-to-helmet. Aikman - who appears to be against all player safety penalties despite getting knocked silly in his career - missed that.
I understand the point people are trying to make on "they always call that", but a QB taking a knee 3-4 seconds into a play is incredibly uncommon, and Heinicke (sp?) totally flopped. I am biased, admittedly, but I don't think that the cause of player safety was well served on this one. Graham was clearly into his hit, did everything he could not to hit him hard and didn't hit him hard at all. Heinicke sold it, and the refs bought it.
The Eagles played a poor game and as a result, bad calls were able to make a difference. There you go.
Unless Corey Clement is involved and then it’s easy but the wrong call made for sport.Eagles also got a TD off a pretty weak DPI call. Officiating football is hard.
Whistles don't kill the play, and it's basically impossible to blow it in time for players to avoid late action. The Referee blew it dead almost immediately, and it was before contact. Players near the ball carrier need to be aware of when the ball is dead.There is some fault to the official on that last play in that they really needed to blow the whistle as soon as his knee hit the ground. It was clear he was attempting to give himself up and the refs should be quicker on that.
But, players are allowed to take a knee to give themselves up anywhere on the field. The defense needs to know that and act accordingly. The hit was simply way too late.
Dre Greenlaw got ejected for a hit that had less intent than the one on the sideline. It was a helmet-to-helmet. That was just a bad job by the announce team continually claiming it was for a late hit. That's a foul in today's NFL.
I have stopped taking any complaints about the 2017 season playoff officiating seriously ever since this forum nearly burned down claiming that Alshon Jeffery wasn't on the line during the Philly Special.Unless Corey Clement is involved and then it’s easy but the wrong call made for sport.
Agree to disagree. I am generally VERY much on the side of player safety calls. Every hit to the head or QB slaughter means that we get fewer kids being allowed to play football every year. But this one was a bad call. It was a 100% flop. Heinicke didn't even pretend to be mildly hurt, he immediately went into high energy going for the flag. Calls like that and the Brady Roughing the Passer early in the season give meatheads ammo that we need to kill these rules, and right now those rules are keeping the game on life support at lower levels.I can't believe some people think the Heinicke hit isn't a foul. If the hit is a little more forcible I think it's an ejection, that's how late it is.
Can you imagine dying and having God tell you that the Red Sox didn't win for all those years because your grandfather refused to wear the green socks that he thought were unlucky, but he forgot that he got a great job the same night that the Celtics lost so he thought they were unlucky? I think about this a lot. Like....what if stupid superstitions are way more determining than we think?I chalk last night's egregious officiating to karmic retribution for Yammer's hubris in the Pats franchise thread. But he's not wrong: it was def. atrocious.
The QB has to be hurt for it to be a penalty?Agree to disagree. I am generally VERY much on the side of player safety calls. Every hit to the head or QB slaughter means that we get fewer kids being allowed to play football every year. But this one was a bad call. It was a 100% flop. Heinicke didn't even pretend to be mildly hurt, he immediately went into high energy going for the flag. Calls like that and the Brady Roughing the Passer early in the season give meatheads ammo that we need to kill these rules, and right now those rules are keeping the game on life support at lower levels.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. Great analysis.The QB has to be hurt for it to be a penalty?
Yes, that is exactly what I said. Great analysis.
The QB has to be hurt for it to be a penalty?
People are also questioning the non-grounding call after the bad snap, saying the ball didn't cross the line of scrimmage. Yet on the replay, the ball is seen going past the yard marker. What were your thoughts on that play?I can't believe some people think the Heinicke hit isn't a foul. If the hit is a little more forcible I think it's an ejection, that's how late it is.
Players that give themselves up don't need to be touched down either do they?Whistles don't kill the play, and it's basically impossible to blow it in time for players to avoid late action. The Referee blew it dead almost immediately, and it was before contact. Players near the ball carrier need to be aware of when the ball is dead.
I was way more torch and pitchfork about the catch in the back of the end zone that had been ruled an incompletion all season up until Riveron decided to enforce next year’s rule change a few months early. But after five rings and everything it took to get there, there may have been some karmic retribution of our own going on.I have stopped taking any complaints about the 2017 season playoff officiating seriously ever since this forum nearly burned down claiming that Alshon Jeffery wasn't on the line during the Philly Special.
This would be a great thread topic actually.Can you imagine dying and having God tell you that the Red Sox didn't win for all those years because your grandfather refused to wear the green socks that he thought were unlucky, but he forgot that he got a great job the same night that the Celtics lost so he thought they were unlucky? I think about this a lot. Like....what if stupid superstitions are way more determining than we think?
All of this week’s excitement had been rolled into the Vikings-Bills game. The owners deliberated but decided they couldn’t spare any more.the real losers here were neutral (kinda) fans like me missing the excitement of a final drive. Jalen throwing a pick six with zero on the clock would have been preferable
No. That's kind of the whole point of giving yourself up. Stop the play before you get hit. Defensive player needs to be aware. Graham was trying to get there and get the quick stop but he knows he needs to be more aware there.Players that give themselves up don't need to be touched down either do they?
Which I think had even worse officiating. NFL referees really do their best to kill an excellent product.All of this week’s excitement had been rolled into the Vikings-Bills game. The owners deliberated but decided they couldn’t spare any more.
Maybe it was his excessive celebration like he had just thrown the winning touchdown after coming back from 28-3 when all he did was merely induce a roughing penalty that supremely irked me.That flag was coming regardless of Heinicke's reaction imo. I think Heinicke was probably hoping to induce conduct and he did. Maybe he flopped. He certainly wasn't hurt but I think the flag was getting thrown no matter what.
Oh, I agree it was excessive and annoying. Probably not a factor in the call but over the top.Maybe it was his excessive celebration like he had just thrown the winning touchdown after coming back from 28-3 when all he did was merely induce a roughing penalty that supremely irked me.
You got fucking barely touched by some guy's bad decision Chad.
That's a big piece of this for me. He literally appealed for the flag and then ran around like he had done something athletically challenging. Roughing the Passer and similar penalties are important in keeping the game safe. Flopping to draw a flag is a terrible precedent.Maybe it was his excessive celebration like he had just thrown the winning touchdown after coming back from 28-3 when all he did was merely induce a roughing penalty that supremely irked me.
You got fucking barely touched by some guy's bad decision Chad.
We know that the audio from the announcers is often on less of a delay than the video. Does that include the audio from the field of play? I am very hesitant to base any opinion on when the whistle blew because I assume the sync with the video is off.The whistle came and Graham took two more steps. I know the speed of the game is really fast, but this was a no-brainer call by the refs. They'll call that every time.
Then go by when Heinicke gives himself up. Graham takes three more steps and hits him.We know that the audio from the announcers is often on less of a delay than the video. Does that include the audio from the field of play? I am very hesitant to base any opinion on when the whistle blew because I assume the sync with the video is off.
Yawn. Here is my party line, copied from another site: "The Super Bowl was clearly refereed very loosely. It was that way from the first drive to the last. The league had been hammered all year for refs deciding games and clearly the crew wanted to minimize their presence. Anyone who wants to find "that (non-hold/non-PI/whatever) was a penalty all year long!!!" can find plenty of material. But it was refereed consistently for both sides and it was a masterpiece of a game. Tom Brady played his greatest SB and the game hinged on great plays that were well designed. Stop whining."I was way more torch and pitchfork about the catch in the back of the end zone that had been ruled an incompletion all season up until Riveron decided to enforce next year’s rule change a few months early. But after five rings and everything it took to get there, there may have been some karmic retribution of our own going on.
I don't think it would. Hearing about everyone's superstition(s) would make me want to set my eyes on fire. But I am a harsh critic of my own content, you know?This would be a great thread topic actually.
Honestly, it was a pretty no brainer call. I’d have been STUNNED if they didn’t throw a flag in that.
Honest question- how many times have you seen a QB take a knee (two, actually) after scrambling around with no defender around him? I don’t mean TB12 or Manning going to the ground to avoid a hit, I mean like QB us trying to make a play then just gives up even though he’s not under immediate pressure.Then go by when Heinicke gives himself up. Graham takes three more steps and hits him.
Honestly, it was a pretty no brainer call. I’d have been STUNNED if they didn’t throw a flag in that.
Honest question- how many times have you seen a QB take a knee (two, actually) after scrambling around with no defender around him? I don’t mean TB12 or Manning going to the ground to avoid a hit, I mean like QB us trying to make a play then just gives up even though he’s not under immediate pressure.
I think a more fair representation is that Graham clears the OL guy, sees TH on his knees with no Eagles around him, hasn’t heard a whistle and slides down towards him to touch him down. And you can add in that TH is indeed appearing to get up (watch his left leg).
No idea if it’s within the rules but it would have been great if the zebras penalized TH for taunting or excessive celebration and had the penalties offset with a replayed down. Although dead ball foul vs live ball wouldn’t really let that happen.
Too soonThis reminds me of one of my least favorite plays, when Peyton Manning fell to the ground and seemed to give himself up, but the refs didn’t blow the play dead. He then got up and made a big throw.
View: https://youtu.be/Rk8wdxgj_xY
Because in once scenario it's 100% expected, and in the other it's 100% not. Had TH been in victory formation and BG slid in and hit him I guess I'd be okay with that but like that's not what happened?Every victory formation is a qb taking a knee. What does it change that TH ran around for a hot minute before he kneeled?
Usually the refs blow the whistle immediately as he takes the knee whereas here it took them over a second to do so.Every victory formation is a qb taking a knee. What does it change that TH ran around for a hot minute before he kneeled?