Cam won only 7 games as a Pat, got stopped on the goal-line that one time, yet still had 3 game winning drives that year, which is 2 more than Mac has.
Week 1 vs. Eagles--Pre Game Discussion and News
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Jack Jones is going to “miss some time” with the hamstring issue.
https://x.com/jeffphowe/status/1699926659527229602?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
https://x.com/jeffphowe/status/1699926659527229602?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
I'd never heard (or heard of this) before. Wow.
Notes for next rant: say die of cancer more, reference abstract painters less.
Interesting thought—listening to pods with reporters from the Philly side they say not to mush rush Jalen Hurts. They say he is much better inside the pocket than outside.
Yeah, I've read this as well, that he's good on designed bootlegs and runs and good from the pocket, but not good on the run due to being pressured. Have to go after him.
Great. What's this prove? Derek Carr is 16th all-time in GW drives, Bledsoe is 19th. Freaking Jay Cutler is 25th. Carson Wentz has 12, yet his passer rating when trailing in 4th quarter with less than 4 minutes to go is lower than his career rating. Great QBs will float to the top of this list, but there's so much noise in these numbers.
How about 4th quarter comebacks, which is a different thing--Jay Cutler is top 25. Derek Carr has more than Joe Montana. Carr gets credit for a 4th quarter comeback win in the game last season where Chandler Jones scored with no time on the clock.
It's just a weird thing to think matters a lot--Stevenson doesn't fumble in that one game and we kick the FG, Mac has another one. Does that *actually* make a difference in what kind of QB he is?
Right now, Mac appears to be an outlier. Instead of looking at the top of the all time charts, consider this: Who are the best QBs who are bad at it? (I don't know I am just asking).
I don't know, most of the lists don't show things like success rate, etc.
I also think, and people can disagree, that last year was so bad overall that I have no idea what to think of it and am inclined to throw it out. Let's see Mac in a decently coached offense like year 1 and hopefully this season.
You have Lane Johnson at one OT spot and Jordan Mailata at the other, with Kelce and Landon Dickerson in the middle. Cam Jurgens is the closest thing to a weak spot at RG, and he is pretty good. It will be week 1, so the DL usually has an advantage over the OL in terms of readiness, but I don't know that Belichick will attack the QB as much as try to clog the passing lanes from his side of the LoS. We will see.
The defense plays a role too. Mac would have a few more that the defense coughed up. The Dallas game in 2021, the Raiders game last year. Add in the 3 lost fumbles and he could have anywhere around 5-6 game winning drives.
I also think the team plays a role. Part of the reason bad QB's like Carr and Cutler are high on the list is because they were behind a lot. They're going to get more opportunities.
I also think the team plays a role. Part of the reason bad QB's like Carr and Cutler are high on the list is because they were behind a lot. They're going to get more opportunities.
Yeah, I remember that classic stat about how good Manning was and how much better than Brady he was because he had all of those game winning drives. Yeah, Brady had fewer largely because his teams were winning in the 4Q. Context matters a ton.
I feel like it's pretty big. I kind of liked him matched up with DeVonta Smith. I like Smith, but Jones was a guy that could keep up with him and actually, somehow, be the bigger player.
Despite Rham not being at practice today, he is still expected to start on Sunday.
View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1700184621869154450
View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1700184621869154450
Mac's passer rating in that scenario is 58.6. In trailing with under two minutes to go scenarios, it's a staggering 36.7. Sure, all the small sample size caveats apply, but he's been awful in these situations when given the chance.
But even wilder to me were his stats when leading or tied with under four minutes to go. Not because they are awful, but because he has NINE career attempts in that context, which is crazy.
Stevenson has a stomach bug, but should be ready to go for Sunday per Karen Gureigan.
View: https://twitter.com/kguregian/status/1700207676662186303?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/kguregian/status/1700207676662186303?s=20
Ty Montgomery called up from practice squad to take his place. Hopefully Jones is more diligent in following team rules during this IR stint and he is back in time for Week 5.
Calvin Munson elevated from practice squad, so is eligible to play but not on 53-man roster. Finally, Reiss tweets that Corral is on exempt/left squad list, which is strange if correct.
Hadn't thought about this, but today Jim Murray mentioned if you're not at the game but want to watch the tribute to #12 you can go to patriots.com to watch it (also think 98.5 will be playing it over the air).
During halftime CBS will be going back to the crew to recap all the games so not airing it.
During halftime CBS will be going back to the crew to recap all the games so not airing it.
Could be out for upwards of two months per Howe
Jones’ injury could keep him out for upwards of two months, per source.
Parker is out - didn’t realize the knee was something serious
View: https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1700705344618463496
View: https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1700705344618463496
Is it pure BB full offseason preparation respect that has this line at -3.5? These injuries along with already being a bad matchup seems like not enough points.
I don’t know, but I think picking the Pats to cover would be a decidedly optimistic move.
They did not elevate Reagor, so without Parker the WRs would be: Smith-Schuster, Bourne, Douglas, and Boutte. Montgomery could play some WR and Gesicki is basically a big WR. No one with stretch the field speed. I would expect a lot of 2 TE sets.
Without Jack Jones, it looks like the starting corners will be Gonzalez and Jon Jones. Slot could be Bryant, Marcus Jones, or Mills. Seems less likely that it would be Wade or Speed.
Of their 10 OLs, 3 had no or minimal preseason time (Strange, Anderson, Onwenu), 2 are brand new to the team and have barely played (Wheatley, Lowe), and 3 are rookies (Mafi, Sow, J.Andrews). (The others are D.Andrews and Brown). The line has the potential to be a real shitshow.
Without Jack Jones, it looks like the starting corners will be Gonzalez and Jon Jones. Slot could be Bryant, Marcus Jones, or Mills. Seems less likely that it would be Wade or Speed.
Of their 10 OLs, 3 had no or minimal preseason time (Strange, Anderson, Onwenu), 2 are brand new to the team and have barely played (Wheatley, Lowe), and 3 are rookies (Mafi, Sow, J.Andrews). (The others are D.Andrews and Brown). The line has the potential to be a real shitshow.
I already expected them to throw the ball over the middle and test the Eagles safeties and linebackers in coverage more than their corners, but at least Parker provided some concern on the outside, now everything is funneled in. Henry/Gesicki/Juju/Bourne is a group that has too much overlap both in skill sets and in terms of the area of the field they want to operate in, but they'll have to show up now.
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I get the vibe because I share it but I don’t get the logic. The Birds should cover this easy so why won’t they.
Might not matter of course, but the article below states that SB losers are 4-19 against the spread in week 1 last 23 years. Maybe that's part of it?
https://www.covers.com/nfl/top-10-trends-every-bettor-needs-to-know
https://www.covers.com/nfl/top-10-trends-every-bettor-needs-to-know
AJ moves around a bunch and the Pats don't match-up follow so we'll see.
Week 1 craziness. Everyone thought KC was going to hump the shit out of the Lions. When Vegas calls a game close that seems sure to be a 7-10 point game in the first 3 weeks of the season I am like a cat on a hot tin roof about it.
Be forgiving. It takes 2-3 weeks before you get in the rhythm of football. A 4:25 kickoff in week 1 is weird.
The 9'ers are really putting it upon the hapless Steelers here, early.
Edit: Whoops, wrong thread. I'll throw in a worthless prediction of 23-20 New England.
Edit: Whoops, wrong thread. I'll throw in a worthless prediction of 23-20 New England.
It's fair to not bet week 1 until you see the teams actually playing but I think the Eagles should be favored by 6 at least.
Chiefs didn't cover their first few games last year, were missing Kelce and the Lions ended the season winning 8 of 10. The Patriots lost 5 of their last 7 and could only beat teams with backup quarterbacks last year while the Eagles only lost 1 game with Hurts playing. The only case for optimism is if you think Patricia was that bad or Mac Jones will get magic juice from TB12 being in the building, and I don't see it.
This doesn't mean they're going to have a terrible year or that Mac is worthless, but Philly is really good.
Chiefs didn't cover their first few games last year, were missing Kelce and the Lions ended the season winning 8 of 10. The Patriots lost 5 of their last 7 and could only beat teams with backup quarterbacks last year while the Eagles only lost 1 game with Hurts playing. The only case for optimism is if you think Patricia was that bad or Mac Jones will get magic juice from TB12 being in the building, and I don't see it.
This doesn't mean they're going to have a terrible year or that Mac is worthless, but Philly is really good.
Outside of today, 4:25 starts in September and October in New England are the best if you're not attending the game. The best weather of the year, tons of yard work to do, kids sports, cookouts etc. You can do all that and come in at 4:30pm, crack a beer and ignore your family. Give me the 1pm games in Nov/Dec.
Here's a gut punch:
View: https://twitter.com/Patriots/status/1700947691906211997?s=20
Inactives: Wade, Roberts, Jennings, Parker, Strange, Onwenu.
C: D. Andrews, J. Andrews
G: Mafi, Sow
T: Brown, Anderson, Wheatley, Lowe
I hope a couple of these new OLs are gamers.
View: https://twitter.com/Patriots/status/1700947691906211997?s=20
Inactives: Wade, Roberts, Jennings, Parker, Strange, Onwenu.
C: D. Andrews, J. Andrews
G: Mafi, Sow
T: Brown, Anderson, Wheatley, Lowe
I hope a couple of these new OLs are gamers.
Jesus. They might need to circle the wagons and find Corral. Mac and Zappe both might not make it out of this one alive.
All that ink spilled over Jack Jones in the offseason and he suffers a serious hamstring strain in practice? That doesn't feel good at all.