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The back line was such a solved problem this summer. Nothing to do about Cameron, but wrecking the fullback situation was not needed.
The constant shuffling of responsibilities is brutal too. I know most here don't think Chandler can be good (I do) but giving him different partners and completely different responsibilities every time he plays (and never the same responsibilities as he has at the club level where he plays well) has just shattered his confidence as a national team player.

Edit- this from after the Mexico loss was good on explaining why putting guys in different systems without real preparation is shitty:
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This back four is lost without Cameron. I think the best thing to do when the best CB is injured is to play your best LB at RM and leave your best RB on the bench.
You forgot "and start in a formation no one on the team has ever played before and have no decision-making instincts for".

I'm not done with Chandler, but the crunch time games should involve the lineups that are most comfortable with each other and are the most proven. Tinkering is fine, rotating is fine, but do it in friendlies and then prove it out in 2nd-tier games. Not vs MEX, not @CRC.
 

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I'm kinda done with Chandler, simply because, while on a yellow card, he was yelling and gesticulating at the linesman, and then the ref, about who kicked the ball out of bounds. The ref was kind to not give him another card. He's not good enough to keep on the field if he puts the team in a position like that
 

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Criminal not to cap tie CCV. Probably not an issue but what the exact fuck is the point of bringing Zusi into this game.

Sack this pos before he spoils what little talent we do have. If TB's little birds tell true about the Yedlin thing...I mean, writing is on the wall here, this guy is losing it.
 

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So JK gets fired after they lose to Honduras, right?

He's set back is soccer 15 years.
Nope. It's probably now or after the Hex. Can't waste 4 months of prep time for the new manager. If you fire him now new manager has time before Honduras, Do it after Panama (4 days after Honduras) and he has only 2 months prep.

Edit- this is the big gap in qualifying. This is the chance to bring someone in and have them succeed. Any other time in the Hex there just isn't the time needed to fire, interview, hire, prepare.
 

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Even though Chandler never works out, I can even understand getting sucked in by his recent club form.

If we care about recent club form though, then Besler's presence and Yedlin's absence are baffling.
 

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That he waits until minute 70 to even make the first change (by that time it was 2-0 and too late already) is just another sign.

Headless chicken. Team continues to look like a side without a plan in any part of the field.

There's no reason to let this continue. It's not like there's some grand philosophy you would dismantle by canning him.

Edit: if he really left the bench, yeah, it's time.
 

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Fucking Arena?
I hate Sunil Gulati's love of stasis and commitment to never pissing off the incompetent US Soccer structure built in the 1990's at the expense of real advancement maybe more than I hate Jurgen's bumbling tactical ineptitude.
 

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yeah, why rush into Bruce Arena when Bob Bradley will probably be available by January?
We're in the middle of the Hex. If Klinsmann is fired, a decision has to be made quickly so that preparations can be made. You can't just dick around and wait. A new manager would need to get ready for January camp, which is less than two months away.

It doesn't have to be Arena, but he makes some sense because we need somebody who knows the pool and has experience. There is no time for an adjustment period. Dropping points at home to Honduras in March would change the situation from concerning to crisis.


EDIT: I wouldn't be nearly as upset as @Cellar-Door about an Arena based on current circumstances, but I share his sentiments towards Sunil in general. Klinsmann has been a disaster for a while - it's a joke he wasn't fired after the Gold Cup - and Gulati should know this better than most as someone with access to all inside info.
 

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We're in the middle of the Hex. If Klinsmann is fired, a decision has to be made quickly so that preparations can be made. You can't just dick around and wait. A new manager would need to get ready for January camp, which is less than two months away.

It doesn't have to be Arena, but he makes some sense because we need somebody who knows the pool and has experience. There is no time for an adjustment period. Dropping points at home to Honduras in March would change the situation from concerning to crisis.


EDIT: I wouldn't be nearly as upset as @Cellar-Door about an Arena based on current circumstances, but I share his sentiments towards Sunil in general. Klinsmann has been a disaster for a while - it's a joke he wasn't fired after the Gold Cup - and Gulati should know this better than most as someone with access to all inside info.
Yeah, I mean I understand the idea of a temp, I guess after thinking about it Arena makes sense if it's clear from day 1 that he's there to save the WCQ and he is going to resign after Russia. But, based on things he's said I don't think Arena (or Sunil) is thinking that. I think they see him as a real possibility after Russia. It's a product of their thinking, which is all about the safe choice, and the person least likely to upend the gravy train for the USSF insiders.
 

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One problem with non-Arena coaches is that it's mid-season for any coach not in MLS, Scandinavia, or unemployment. I'd love David Wagner (former fringe USAer doing wonders at Huddersfield and used to coach under Klopp), Miguel Herrera (former Mexico coach, now at Tijuana, has interest and should know our roster well) or Gertjan Verbeek (coached Bradley, Altidore, and Johannsson in Netherlands, close ties with Ernie Stewart). But those guys would have to leave decent jobs (Wagner's in his first year) for a situation that's probably a better job but no sure thing.

Who's unemployed and wants a job for at a year or so? Eriksson? Hiddink? Van Gaal? probably not likely
 

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One problem with non-Arena coaches is that it's mid-season for any coach not in MLS, Scandinavia, or unemployment. I'd love David Wagner (for fringe USAer doing wonders at Huddersfield and used to coach under Klopp) or Gertjan Verbeek (coached Bradley, Altidore, and Johannsson in Netherlands, close ties with Ernie Stewart). But those guys would have to leave decent jobs (Wagner's in his first year) for a situation that's more unstable than it's been in a long time.

Who's unemployed and wants a job for at a year or so? Eriksson? Hiddink? Van Gaal? probably not likely
MARCELO FUCKING BIELSA!
 

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Yeah, I mean I understand the idea of a temp, I guess after thinking about it Arena makes sense if it's clear from day 1 that he's there to save the WCQ and he is going to resign after Russia. But, based on things he's said I don't think Arena (or Sunil) is thinking that. I think they see him as a real possibility after Russia. It's a product of their thinking, which is all about the safe choice, and the person least likely to upend the gravy train for the USSF insiders.
Agreed. I'm on board for Arena through 2018, though I'd be happy to consider alternatives if they could be found. If Klinsmann is fired, I don't think the USSF should sign anybody past the 2018 WC unless it's someone extraordinary.

The USSF youth scene is littered with uninspiring, poorly qualified insiders from Tab Ramos to U17 manager John Hackworth to the guys who oversee the USSF Development Academy.

Gulati is up for re-election in 2018. He has run unopposed several times now and I have no idea who would step up to challenge/replace him, but it has been clear for a while that the federation needs new leadership.
 

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In regards to JK leaving the pitch after the 4th goal. I loaded up the bein app around the 82nd minute and they showed a shot of him on the bench.
 

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I feel weird saying this about a manager the caliber of Bielsa, but wouldn't he be a little risky for a need-results-immediately type position? He's done great things, but he strikes me as the sort of guy who needs time to get everyone clicking in his program. Time is a luxury we do not have.
 

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In regards to JK leaving the pitch after the 4th goal. I loaded up the bein app around the 82nd minute and they showed a shot of him on the bench.
Thanks. Faulty Twitter reporting, perhaps, and not nearly the first time.
 

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I feel weird saying this about a manager the caliber of Bielsa, but wouldn't he be a little risky for a need-results-immediately type position? He's done great things, but he strikes me as the sort of guy who needs time to get everyone clicking in his program. Time is a luxury we do not have.
Definitely a risk, but at the same time no way to know who will be available and willing come 2018. Given Bielsa's exit from Lazio, this is probably one of the few chances to get an elite manager.
 

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I feel weird saying this about a manager the caliber of Bielsa, but wouldn't he be a little risky for a need-results-immediately type position? He's done great things, but he strikes me as the sort of guy who needs time to get everyone clicking in his program. Time is a luxury we do not have.
If he's flexible enough to adapt to our pool, I'm gung ho. I think he's a genius and a visionary, but there's a significant chance of disaster because his usual style seems to require a high footballing IQ and I'm not sure our players can meet that bar, at least not in one camp. With all the problems they had in 3-5-2, could you imagine a 3-3-3-1? With a lot of shifting and pressing? and a libero? (actually I think Cameron could play libero). But if he can do something more traditional but with simply better coaching, it would seem to be smoother transition.
 

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If he's flexible enough to adapt to our pool, I'm gung ho. I think he's a genius and a visionary, but there's a significant chance of disaster because his usual style seems to require a high footballing IQ and I'm not sure our players can meet that bar, at least not in one camp. With all the problems they had in 3-5-2, could you imagine a 3-3-3-1? With a lot of shifting and pressing? and a libero? (actually I think Cameron could play libero). But if he can do something more traditional but with simply better coaching, it would seem to be smoother transition.
At Bilbao he played 4 at the back, 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
Marseilles played both 3-3-3-1 and 4-2-3-1 the 4 back was more conventional at Marseilles with less positional switching by the fullbacks and central mids.
 

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At least someone else gets the spirit I was intending. TB thought I was being serious, rather than just ragging on Bob Bradley's failure to win more than a single point since being picked to run Swansea.

I have absolutely no idea what Gulati will do, but if he does go and have a knee-jerk reaction, ending up with Bruce Arena strikes me as one of the least bad outcomes from it.
 

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If Klinsmann isn't the right guy, the decision needs to be made like today. I'd like to see him gone, but at this point, I don't care about anything but qualification. They need probably 14 points in 8 games. That means four or five wins with one of the games being in Azteca and having to play an obviously superior Costa Rica team again.

To me, everything else is just noise. Gulati's view for the future. Whether Arena is a dinosaur that represents the constipated view of US Soccer that will keep us mired in the muck for generations. Whatever one thinks the answer is to any of these questions, not playing in Russia will be far worse.

The message to Klinsmann needs to be, we're done fucking around. We don't give a shit about your vision of beautiful soccer. We don't give a shit about sending messages by playing guys that play in leagues you like. We don't give a shit about new formations that are the future or that make better attacking football. Your commitment right now is knuckling the fuck down and building a team that can grind out CONCACAF results, in an 8 game grind environment where players are going to get injured and yellow carded. You play your grinders, you give these guys a sense of stability and consistency, and you play for nothing other than results for the next year. You decide what that means and the best way to make it happen but if we don't have a meeting of the minds that this is the mission right now, don't let the door hit you in the ass and we'll find a guy with a free year who understands that for the next year there is no other mission, no other goal.
 

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Whole heartedly agree. If this were just about player selection and formations, it's possible for Gulati to put the screws to Klinsman, take away some of his discretion in these areas, and tell Jurgen to take it or leave it. What that doesn't solve is the complete collapse last night. The US started well enough for the first 20, but then the game turned and our boys never took back the initiative. The total dissolution of team will an organization are the real problem. Does Gulati have an reason to believe that Klinsman can correct that by March? Or is the best solution shock treatment in the form or replacing the coach?
 

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IMHO, getting Bielsa here would be a huge development. Bielsa is an astoundingly good and visionary manager. If he's willing to come here, you give him the reigns and let him manage the team however the hell he wants. The impact his coaching could have on our players is invaluable.
 

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I like Biesla the coaching innovator, but at a point where the US needs a steady hand on the tiller to qualify for the WC I'd be pretty fucking nervous about Biesla the guy who will just walk in and out of a job on a whim.

Biesla fusing his desire for players who run their asses of with an American willingness to do so is kinda mouthwatering as a thought, but the downside there is Biesla storming out on the job and us being stuck trying to qualify with an Arena type at best, or god forbid an out of his depth Tab Ramos.
 

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I mean isn't he already playing the grinders? Who isn't he playing that could be put out there for results purposes?
Didn't start in either of the two games:
- Yedlin
- Gooch
- Birnbaum (can't do worse than Chandler)
- Kljestan
- Julian Green
- arguably Zusi is more of a grinder too

Not on roster:
- Bedoya
- Acosta
- Nagbe (I know, I know)
- Zardes (the prototypical grinder)
- and Morris, Cameron and Dempsey in various flavors of injured

...and then there's the very long bench. I mean, we desperately needed a LB, not Besler playing out of position. If you're not slotting FJ in, would Tim Ream have been too much to ask for? If he's good enough for Fulham he's probably good enough to not get totally clowned out there.

It's not like Klinsmann lacked for options, just for options that he actually exercised.
 

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Didn't start in either of the two games:
- Yedlin
- Gooch
- Birnbaum (can't do worse than Chandler)
- Kljestan
- Julian Green
- arguably Zusi is more of a grinder too

Not on roster:
- Bedoya
- Acosta
- Nagbe (I know, I know)
- Zardes (the prototypical grinder)
- and Morris, Cameron and Dempsey in various flavors of injured

...and then there's the very long bench. I mean, we desperately needed a LB, not Besler playing out of position. If you're not slotting FJ in, would Tim Ream have been too much to ask for? If he's good enough for Fulham he's probably good enough to not get totally clowned out there.

It's not like Klinsmann lacked for options, just for options that he actually exercised.
Yedlin and Bedoya are the only clear upgrades there, and Bedoya has a hamstring issue so not available. Ream would probably make sense too, but Jurgen's never used him.

If anything Chandler to me is an indictment of Jurgen not because he's using him when he shouldn't, but because he is a good Bundesliga defender and Jurgen can never find a system or pairing where he's successful. The USMNT doesn't have the kind of player pool where you can waste good young talent because your manager can't figure out a system.
 

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I can't imagine how good Pulisic can be in 2 years if he keeps improving. I want to see him in the World Cup.
 

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Your commitment right now is knuckling the fuck down and building a team that can grind out CONCACAF results, in an 8 game grind environment where players are going to get injured and yellow carded. You play your grinders, you give these guys a sense of stability and consistency, and you play for nothing other than results for the next year.
He is already mostly playing the grinders. The non-grinders we have are the guys like Pulisic and Yedlin.

I disagree with his decision to switch to 3-5-2 without adequate training or preparation. But I also disagree with the results-based knee-jerk reactions of fans. If we beat Costa Rica using the same tactics as in the 0-4 loss the people crucifying him now would have called him a genius.

The truth is that people are really just angry at the losses, not the tactics. If we fire Klinsmann people will soon want the head of his successor. We are a mediocre team, and Mexico and Costa Rica have player pools at least as good as ours.

"I am angry so I will fire a bunch of people" is not a good way to run a soccer federation.
 
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He is already mostly playing the grinders. The non-grinders we have are the guys like Pulisic and Yedlin.

I disagree with his decision to switch to 3-5-2 without adequate training or preparation. But I also disagree with the results-based knee-jerk reactions of fans. If we beat Costa Rica using the same tactics as in the 0-4 loss the people crucifying him now would have called him a genius.

The truth is that people are really just angry at the losses, not the tactics. If we fire Klinsmann people will soon want the head of his successor. We are a mediocre team, and the fact is that Mexico and Costa Rica have players pools at least as good as ours.
I disagree, many people have been calling for him to be fired for more than a year. The problem isn't just results (though those have been abysmal for a while) it's that he brings very little to the table. He's not a good tactician (and that's more important the less talent you have), he's not consistent in his lineups or player selections. He brings nothing to the table as a manager. As technical director, he had a nice run looking for dual nationals, but the youth system is at least as big a clusterfuck as before if not worse. A country without top end talent needs to make up for that with a good manager, and good youth systems. Jurgen sucks at both.

Edit- Jurgen was supposed to be good at youth development and man management. He's been dubious at the first and his players have been sniping at him in the press and flat quit on him last night. What does he have left to bring to the table? Further, he isn't some guy just getting started, he's had the job a long time and gotten a lot more rope than any manager the USMNT has ever had. This isn't these two games, it's everything that's happened in the last 2 years building to this.
 

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I disagree, many people have been calling for him to be fired for more than a year. The problem isn't just results (though those have been abysmal for a while) it's that he brings very little to the table. He's not a good tactician (and that's more important the less talent you have), he's not consistent in his lineups or player selections. He brings nothing to the table as a manager. As technical director, he had a nice run looking for dual nationals, but the youth system is at least as big a clusterfuck as before if not worse. A country without top end talent needs to make up for that with a good manager, and good youth systems. Jurgen sucks at both.

Edit- Jurgen was supposed to be good at youth development and man management. He's been dubious at the first and his players have been sniping at him in the press and flat quit on him last night. What does he have left to bring to the table? Further, he isn't some guy just getting started, he's had the job a long time and gotten a lot more rope than any manager the USMNT has ever had. This isn't these two games, it's everything that's happened in the last 2 years building to this.
Exactly. The fact that he's survived the embarrassments of the last 2 years (Gold Cup abortion, Confed Cup exclusion, losing to Guatemala) is amazing in itself - other USMNT managers have been canned for far worse. Not only did the team quit on him last night, he compounded the issues with his idiotic subs/non-subs. How do you not make a substitution by the 70th' given what he was seeing out there - a gassed and ineffective Jones, no link up play from anyone except Pulisic, consistently outclassed/out of position LB/RB - what the hell was he looking at? It was obvious by the 50th' that this group wasn't going to turn the tide.
 

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He is already mostly playing the grinders. The non-grinders we have are the guys like Pulisic and Yedlin.
While I have some bones to pick with Klinsmann's roster selections, that's not even the core issue. The core issue is that almost everybody on the US team plays worse for the US than they do for their clubs. John Brooks was the definition of clown shoes last night. The Bradley+Jones combo looks like the days when the USMNT was on strike and we called up USL players. The list goes on.

Part of this is because Klinsmann does not understand what it means to put players in a position to succeed (endless examples). Part of it, now, seems to be that he has lost the locker room.

I disagree with his decision to switch to 3-5-2 without adequate training or preparation. But I also disagree with the results-based knee-jerk reactions of fans. If we beat Costa Rica using the same tactics as in the 0-4 loss the people crucifying him now would have called him a genius.


But....we didn't win. We lost 0-4. This makes no sense. There are no genius tactics, the proof is in the pudding.

The truth is that people are really just angry at the losses, not the tactics. If we fire Klinsmann people will soon want the head of his successor. We are a mediocre team, and Mexico and Costa Rica have player pools at least as good as ours.

"I am angry so I will fire a bunch of people" is not a good way to run a soccer federation.
Costa Rica's starting forward and goalscorer last night, Johan Venegas, is a bench player on the Montreal Impact.
Costa Rica's outside midfielder Christian Bolaños, who had a goal and an assist, is a decent player on the Vancouver Whitecaps who started 23 out of 34 games last year.
Costa Rica's starting CB, Michael Umaña, was a total mediocrity at Chivas USA a number of years ago.
Costa Rica's starting LB, Ronald Matarrita, is a starter for NYCFC where is a good attacker and a huge defensive liability in MLS

We have talent. But it's plain to see in the way the US has played in general and in the 4-0 beatdown last night that there is no plan, and no coherency. It's a rudderless ship and the players are mentally checking out.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that fans can be too critical to US managers when the team struggles against top squads. But it goes a lot deeper than the last two games. The 2015 Gold Cup really should have been the end. We totally sucked against teams that have far weaker talent pools. We were on home soil and watching the US get outplayed by squads filled with average MLS players. If that didn't convince you that the USMNT's problems go far beyond the quality of the player pool, I don't know what will. We're not talking about Mexico. We're talking about Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Panama. On home soil.



Klinsmann is a bad coach and I'm fairly convinced he does very little of anything in his capacity as TD. Wahl reported last year that USSF COO Jay Berhalter has been running the show behind the scenes for a couple of years.

The emperor has no clothes. He's living off of his ability to say the right buzzwords and his ability to assume credit for the accomplishments of others. (No, he did not rebuild Germany's youth program. Yes, he depended on Löw when he was manager of Germany.)

Klinsmann has made many criticisms of US soccer. Some of them have been petty, some of them have been on the mark. One of the criticisms he's frequently made that I think is on the mark is his claim that American soccer culture is immature. He's right. If we were a mature soccer culture, we would have seen through this fraudster and fired his ass long ago.
 

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TB, in fairness, the vast vast majority of international players play worse for their national teams than their clubs. The 20:1 ratio of training time between their two responsibilities is the reason. There are probably managers who can do better than others managing within the constraints of international-schedule training time, but I think that's the wrong way to judge managers. We've seen John Brooks look like Gerard Pique out there for the USMNT on some nights, against class competition. Given the right assignment and the time together to get comfortable, lots of the current players can shine.

I'm much happier to blame the game tactics and lineup for why everyone seemed to be having a bad game last night. But the benchmark for the manager shouldn't be "do these guys play better for the US than they do for their clubs?". Because if it were, the only people on the roster would be Zusi, Beckerman, Jones, Orozco and Howard.
 

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But....we didn't win. We lost 0-4. This makes no sense. There are no genius tactics, the proof is in the pudding.

Klinsmann is a bad coach and I'm fairly convinced he does very little of anything in his capacity as TD. Wahl reported last year that USSF COO Jay Berhalter has been running the show behind the scenes for a couple of years.
I don't really disagree that Klinsmann is a bad manager. I am wise enough to know I am a fool. I have no idea how he is training our players or what he has said to them. I do not know enough to say whether the tactical gaffes are a product of the players or the management.

What I disagree with is judging him purely on disappointing results. That works fine for club teams that can sign players to fill holes. But our national team manager has to work with a mediocre pool of players that do not fit together well due to a lack of cohesive national player development system. Even if we had Pep Guardiola managing the team the US would occasionally get embarrassed by teams like Mexico or Costa Rica.

I think the biggest need is clearly better and more unified coaching at youth and club levels, and a national team manager cannot do much about that.
 

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I don't really disagree that Klinsmann is a bad manager. I am wise enough to know I am a fool. I have no idea how he is training our players or what he has said to them. I do not know enough to say whether the tactical gaffes are a product of the players or the management.

What I disagree with is judging him purely on disappointing results. That works fine for club teams that can sign players to fill holes. But our national team manager has to work with a mediocre pool of players that do not fit together well due to a lack of cohesive national player development system. Even if we had Pep Guardiola managing the team the US would occasionally get embarrassed by teams like Mexico or Costa Rica.

I think the biggest need is clearly better and more unified coaching at youth and club levels, and a national team manager cannot do much about that.
That's the technical director's job. Guess who our technical director is?
 

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I don't really disagree that Klinsmann is a bad manager. I am wise enough to know I am a fool. I have no idea how he is training our players or what he has said to them. I do not know enough to say whether the tactical gaffes are a product of the players or the management.

What I disagree with is judging him purely on disappointing results. That works fine for club teams that can sign players to fill holes. But our national team manager has to work with a mediocre pool of players that do not fit together well due to a lack of cohesive national player development system. Even if we had Pep Guardiola managing the team the US would occasionally get embarrassed by teams like Mexico or Costa Rica.

I think the biggest need is clearly better and more unified coaching at youth and club levels, and a national team manager cannot do much about that.
But the bolded's not true. We might lose to those teams, especially away, but we should never get embarrassed by them. By my quick reckoning, 4-0 is our worst loss in a WC qualifier since 1980, when we lost 5-1 to Mexico.

We also shouldn't be failing to win on home soil against Panama or Jamaica, or losing to Guatemala, or barely squeaking by Haiti. Our pool is mediocre for sure, but it's a hell of a lot better than any of those countries.
 

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Maybe the plan is to wait until Pep gets bored at City, and then lure him in for the ultimate footballing challenge.

That's the Gulati we know, always thinking 8 steps ahead. :rolleyes:
 

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TB, in fairness, the vast vast majority of international players play worse for their national teams than their clubs. The 20:1 ratio of training time between their two responsibilities is the reason. There are probably managers who can do better than others managing within the constraints of international-schedule training time, but I think that's the wrong way to judge managers. We've seen John Brooks look like Gerard Pique out there for the USMNT on some nights, against class competition. Given the right assignment and the time together to get comfortable, lots of the current players can shine.

I'm much happier to blame the game tactics and lineup for why everyone seemed to be having a bad game last night. But the benchmark for the manager shouldn't be "do these guys play better for the US than they do for their clubs?". Because if it were, the only people on the roster would be Zusi, Beckerman, Jones, Orozco and Howard.
Regarding the bolded, the problem is that EVERY national team faces the exact same challenge, right? So there shouldn't be an expectation that the NT players maintain the same quality as a unit vs. the performance level with their clubs. But neither Costa Rica nor any other NT are immune from this, so you would think any decline in quality should impact all teams equally. I would argue that the best, most objective barometer of the quality of a given player pool is the quality of clubs and number of minutes its players are getting with their club teams. By any reasonable metric, the current US player pool is more talented than its ever been (the days of college kids and semi-pros are long, long gone), and yet the list of embarrassing performances during the JK tenure is longer than for any other USMNT manager in the modern era. That's on him, and him alone