USMNT: Hold My Beer

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Is it messing with anyone else that Fox universally refers to Robinson as Antonee while the Paramount crew always call him Jedi?

EDIT: and right on cue, the Fox guys bring up the nickname.
 

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What's tiebreaker after GD? Announcers said it would still take 6, but 5 goal loss puts them even.
 

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Gregg gets a lot of stick, but we should be fair about his performances. He’s 2-2 so far this window.

Of course, the culture and mentality he’s built up are ferocious and seem to push these team to heights that meet the stakes. And the press is looking fantastic, even with 2 very different sets of forwards and midfielders.

Playing out of the back is uh…a work in progress? An effort to shave years off my life? I don’t know exactly, but it needs to stop.
 

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Interestingly, the U.S. winning is not even a terrible result for Costa Rica in the end. If Panama had won or even drawn, Costa Rica would have needed a point in the last game to guarantee at least a playoff. The U.S. win locks up at least the playoff for CRC against a team they should beat even if they lose on Wednesday. Pretty nice come back for CRC.

Anyway, U.S. are through now unless they lose by 6 or more goals or lose by 5 with Costa Rica scoring 11 or more goals.
 

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Gregg gets a lot of stick, but we should be fair about his performances. He’s 2-2 so far this window.

Of course, the culture and mentality he’s built up are ferocious and seem to push these team to heights that meet the stakes. And the press is looking fantastic, even with 2 very different sets of forwards and midfielders.

Playing out of the back is uh…a work in progress? An effort to shave years off my life? I don’t know exactly, but it needs to stop.
I watch Ederson ply his trade so I’ve mostly gotten over the sinking feeling on the back pass but it all comes rushing back even with Steffen. It may be a necessary evil for what they are trying to do but man is it terrifying in real time.

Berhalter is clearly doing enough things right. I have many qualms but it’s undeniable that the team plays hard and that’s such an important part of international football that I think it’s impossible to be overly critical. I don’t think Canada are better and it’s taken more match weeks than it should have but this last window setup very tricky and they’ve navigated it well thus far.
 

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Team can’t go in with the mindset of “don’t lose by 6.” How do you prepare for that?

If they can trick themselves into playing like they need a result you would think the game takes care of itself.
 

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I mean, when was the last time the US lost by 6 to anybody? I know when it was for Brazil.
Yeah. It is a weird game though. When do you ever play a team that has no reason to do anything but play for a goal difference win. Costa Rica has no need for three points. They are irrelevant. They can lose without consequence so they can throw everything forward. I guess you sometimes see stuff like that at the end of the group stage in a World Cup or Euro or something. I suppose there is some chance Costa Rica could catch Mexico but very small. It is basically six goals or bust.

But it is going to be weird.
 

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Or conversely.. when has a team gone into a game knowing they have to win by 6 and succeeded?
In the second group stage of the 1978 World Cup, Argentina had to beat Peru by at least four goals to advance to the final, and won 6-0. That match has been dogged by rumors of bribes and match-fixing but nothing has ever been substantiated.
 

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In the second group stage of the 1978 World Cup, Argentina had to beat Peru by at least four goals to advance to the final, and won 6-0. That match has been dogged by rumors of bribes and match-fixing but nothing has ever been substantiated.
Did Peru have anything to play for?
 

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I've seen it tossed around on Twitter, so am curious; assuming it's true, why would not you not forfeit, take the 3-0 advance, and qualify? Playing, and likely parking the bus, to avoid one of the biggest chokes of all time, risking injury and whatever else, seems silly. Forgetting the moral/ethical thing, are there Concacaf/FIFA rules that would penalize them if they did such a thing? Obviously this is hypothetical (I don't care about "it's bad" or "they'll be seen in the world as weak" or "television/sponsors will be livid!" etc), so I'm curious if what's being said on social media is even something within the rules that they could do.
 

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And if they throw everyone forward trying to do it, we're probably more likely to score six than they are.
That's the problem for Costa Rica. You start the game saying that you have nothing to lose and playing aggressively to try to score even if it leaves you susceptible to the counter. But let's say they go up 2-0. What then? You're really caught in the switches.

The only reason to be concerned as a U.S. fan is PTSD from needing on a result at T&T, but the truth is that you can't even get a betting line on CRC -2.5 right now.

To me, the biggest issue is staying away from red cards. If a guy picks up a yellow, he should be a candidate for substitution and if any player has a chance to get out of the way discretion is the better part of valor in a game like this. Stay on your feet. No hard challenges. If you're beat with nobody between the attacker and the goalkeeper you have to let the guy go and trust your keeper.

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I've seen it tossed around on Twitter, so am curious; assuming it's true, why would not you not forfeit, take the 3-0 advance, and qualify? Playing, and likely parking the bus, to avoid one of the biggest chokes of all time, risking injury and whatever else, seems silly. Forgetting the moral/ethical thing, are there Concacaf/FIFA rules that would penalize them if they did such a thing? Obviously this is hypothetical (I don't care about "it's bad" or "they'll be seen in the world as weak" or "television/sponsors will be livid!" etc), so I'm curious if what's being said on social media is even something within the rules that they could do.
It's a compelling idea but my view is . . . screw that. What is this enterprise all about? It's about footie. We care about whether the team qualifies because we love footie and we want to see our team play in the world cup, which is a competition they have no real chance to win. There's a game on the schedule. Go play it. Go try to win it. If CRC wins 6-0, fair play to them. We go on and try to beat Solomon Islands.

I was proud of the U.S. when Graham Zusi scored in the 92 minute against Panama to put Mexico through. I was rooting for Panama and against Mexico. But I was proud of the team that night. Play the game.
 

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I've seen it tossed around on Twitter, so am curious; assuming it's true, why would not you not forfeit, take the 3-0 advance, and qualify? Playing, and likely parking the bus, to avoid one of the biggest chokes of all time, risking injury and whatever else, seems silly. Forgetting the moral/ethical thing, are there Concacaf/FIFA rules that would penalize them if they did such a thing? Obviously this is hypothetical (I don't care about "it's bad" or "they'll be seen in the world as weak" or "television/sponsors will be livid!" etc), so I'm curious if what's being said on social media is even something within the rules that they could do.
Of course they *can* forfeit. However, it would mess with the integrity (HA FIFA, INTEGRITY) of the competition and FIFA/CONCACAF could assess additional penalties, including forfeiting a WC spot.
 

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Of course they *can* forfeit. However, it would mess with the integrity (HA FIFA, INTEGRITY) of the competition and FIFA/CONCACAF could assess additional penalties, including forfeiting a WC spot.
Thanks. That's what I figured. If they did it, some retroactive punishment just because.
 

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Several people on Twitter have noted that apparently yellow card accumulation suspensions carry over to the intercontinental playoffs so Costa Rica may rest a bunch of key players.
 

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A forfeit would undermine the culture Gregg has built.

You tell the guys, here’s the mission - win and we’re in, no questions asked. Oh, and there’s World Cup roster spots up for grabs. Go out there, execute your role, and earn your spot in the summer camp.
 

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A forfeit would undermine the culture Gregg has built.
I wonder how a forfeit affects rankings. Right now the cutoff between pots 2 and 3 for the draw is world ranking 15. I think the USA is projected to be pretty close. A result in Costa Rica may actually be important, and the difference between pots 2 and 3 could actually be significant.
 

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would a red card carry over into the actual world cup? Does it also make sense if there a few guys on the fence to cap tie them to the US in this game. Maybe start two of them and then sub in for those tow in the second half?
 

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Is there anything to be gained or lost by the order of finish within the top 3? That is, is there any marginal value in chasing down Canada in goal differential?
 

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I think the US is assured of Pot 2 and has a wild scenario involving Pot 1 if North Macedonia (vs. Portugal), El Salvador (vs. MX) and I think The Netherlands (in a friendly vs. Germany) all win.

edit - and a US win, of course
 

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Is there anything to be gained or lost by the order of finish within the top 3? That is, is there any marginal value in chasing down Canada in goal differential?
No, there's direct bonus to where you finish; you either qualify or you don't.

However, as @DennyDoyle'sBoil mentioned, every game factors into our FIFA ranking, which has seeding implications for the World Cup.
 

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would a red card carry over into the actual world cup? Does it also make sense if there a few guys on the fence to cap tie them to the US in this game. Maybe start two of them and then sub in for those tow in the second half?
No.

Is there anything to be gained or lost by the order of finish within the top 3? That is, is there any marginal value in chasing down Canada in goal differential?
The possible WC pots may be influenced by a US win on Wednesday.
 

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Several people on Twitter have noted that apparently yellow card accumulation suspensions carry over to the intercontinental playoffs so Costa Rica may rest a bunch of key players.
That's interesting. FIFA actually granted an exception for the UEFA playoffs to say that yellow cards would not accumulate so that a yellow in the semi would not be a second toward a suspension for the final. I guess they are nothing if not pragmatic.

would a red card carry over into the actual world cup? Does it also make sense if there a few guys on the fence to cap tie them to the US in this game. Maybe start two of them and then sub in for those tow in the second half?
Accumulation reds do not carry over. Suspensions however do carry over. So if you get a direct red or you get two yellows in your last qualification round game then you do in fact have to serve the suspension in the world cup. It used to be that there was a loophole where you could schedule a friendly or something to clear suspensions but FIFA eliminated that. Here are the regulations. It's page 18. The key language is that an suspensions from accumulation in more than one game clear but suspensions from discipline in a single game do not clear.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/2df8816f3b27563c/original/r6gcejmanhw27gzaa9xb-pdf.pdf
 

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I think the US is assured of Pot 2 and has a wild scenario involving Pot 1 if North Macedonia (vs. Portugal), El Salvador (vs. MX) and I think The Netherlands (in a friendly vs. Germany) all win.

edit - and a US win, of course
I'm not sure who knows exactly what they are talking about with the FIFA rankings math, but this is the picture from what I've seen/read (I'm a second hand source at best here).

Live-rankings that try to predict the new FIFA rankings based on the games played to date have the US currently in 11th after the win against Panama. Pot 1 will be Qatar (host) and the top seven qualified teams. Since Italy (#6) failed to qualify, the USMNT needs to get to #8 overall to be in Pot 1. That requires jumping three teams, again, Per Dudes On Twitter:

- USMNT needs to win
- Portugal needs to lose
- Netherlands needs to lose or draw
- Mexico needs to lose or draw

We are actually ranked ahead of Germany (lol) as a result of the last few days, as I guess the win against Panama (WCQ) provided a bigger boost than Germany's win over Israel (which was just a friendly).
 

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a few things here and there: I read an article on ESPN this morning about dealing with the World Cup next time around when the bids increase and it stated that there has not been a determination made as to whether Mexico, Canada and the US will receive automatic bids...are we assuming this is just a formality?

Also when is the actual World Cup draw?
 

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a few things here and there: I read an article on ESPN this morning about dealing with the World Cup next time around when the bids increase and it stated that there has not been a determination made as to whether Mexico, Canada and the US will receive automatic bids...are we assuming this is just a formality?

Well, the US is hosting like 2/3rds of the matches so if they only give out 1, the assumption is it would be the US. Even without that bid, the WC is expanding to 48 teams, so qualification shouldn't be as difficult either as we move from 3 entrants to 6 in CONCACAF.


Also when is the actual World Cup draw?
Draw is Friday at 11:30 I believe.
 

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I've seen it tossed around on Twitter, so am curious; assuming it's true, why would not you not forfeit, take the 3-0 advance, and qualify? Playing, and likely parking the bus, to avoid one of the biggest chokes of all time, risking injury and whatever else, seems silly. Forgetting the moral/ethical thing, are there Concacaf/FIFA rules that would penalize them if they did such a thing? Obviously this is hypothetical (I don't care about "it's bad" or "they'll be seen in the world as weak" or "television/sponsors will be livid!" etc), so I'm curious if what's being said on social media is even something within the rules that they could do.
Not to pile on but while forfeiting is a great twitter idea but IRL, the TV networks would demand a significant repayment for lack of having a broadcast that there would be significant repercussions.