USMNT: Hold My Beer

DJnVa

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Berhalter is a genius with subs!!
He fucked up that first half, but credit to saying it wasn't working and changing it up. Twellman was on SiriusXM FC this morning and said had that game ended 1-0 Honduras he would have been saying Berhalter needed to go.



The next round of games has 2 at home---and the late goals helping the goal differential put us in 3rd. We gotta make it hard, but a young team stepped up. And Weston had to watch. I'm hoping that might help him get his ego or maturity in check.
 

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What a swing, too bad it happened well past my bedtime. Maybe I'll try and watch the second half tonight because those are fireworks worth of the 4th.

Also saw this and thought it was interesting. Not so much because of the specific player, but rather whether there's enough of these type of situations that could change the game for the USMNT:

View: https://twitter.com/jtyardley/status/1435807107023085569?s=20
Interesting, I didn't know this.

There's also a guy on El Salvador's national team, Lizandro Claros, who lived in Maryland for a while but was deported in 2017.
 

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He fucked up that first half, but credit to saying it wasn't working and changing it up. Twellman was on SiriusXM FC this morning and said had that game ended 1-0 Honduras he would have been saying Berhalter needed to go.



The next round of games has 2 at home---and the late goals helping the goal differential put us in 3rd. We gotta make it hard, but a young team stepped up. And Weston had to watch. I'm hoping that might help him get his ego or maturity in check.
It was a little tongue in cheek given his lack of subs last match. But yes he did recognize here the team was crap in the first and needed to do something. He pulled the right strings last nite. Maybe it is a lesson learned but we shall see.

But he also needs to get something better going to start the games because if they come out that poor against good teams they may be in too deep a hole for any subs to save the day.
 

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What a swing, too bad it happened well past my bedtime. Maybe I'll try and watch the second half tonight because those are fireworks worth of the 4th.

Also saw this and thought it was interesting. Not so much because of the specific player, but rather whether there's enough of these type of situations that could change the game for the USMNT:

View: https://twitter.com/jtyardley/status/1435807107023085569?s=20
This is basically the story of Andy Najar, right? I thought he was relatively committed to the US, but with the prospect of waiting years to become a citizen, he couldn't wait.
 

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Turner made a really big save at 1-0 which of course gets less focused on after all the goals but to me was the turning point. Although they scored 4 I’m not sure they come back from 2-0
 

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Interesting, I didn't know this.

There's also a guy on El Salvador's national team, Lizandro Claros, who lived in Maryland for a while but was deported in 2017.
If he was previously deported, can he re-enter the country for El Salvador's game here?
 

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I only saw the second half, but a big criticism I was seeing everywhere in the first half was that they were being beaten and out hustled for every loose ball and looked totally disengaged. When I watched the second half, it was completely the opposite. The US was everywhere, playing very physical and tackling hard, imposing their will on an overmatched opponent. Robinson, Lletget, Pepi, Adams and Aaronson in particular really took the intensity up a level and they ended up rolling Honduras. That is the kind of fight you need to show in a CONCACAF qualifier, and hopefully will be a turning point for this team.
 

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I only saw the second half, but a big criticism I was seeing everywhere in the first half was that they were being beaten and out hustled for every loose ball and looked totally disengaged. When I watched the second half, it was completely the opposite. The US was everywhere, playing very physical and tackling hard, imposing their will on an overmatched opponent. Robinson, Lletget, Pepi, Adams and Aaronson in particular really took the intensity up a level and they ended up rolling Honduras. That is the kind of fight you need to show in a CONCACAF qualifier, and hopefully will be a turning point for this team.
To me, this is a classic example of people interpreting a tactical problem as a psychological failing. The big problem in the first half was that the tactics were bad and the players were unfamiliar with the tactics. The U.S. spacing was all wrong, they didn't have players in position to support one another. Honduras was winning the second balls because they had more players in the right positions to contest for them. And U.S. players were tentative not because they lacked fight or didn't care but but because they were unfamiliar with the shape and didn't know where they were supposed to be.
 

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To me, this is a classic example of people interpreting a tactical problem as a psychological failing. The big problem in the first half was that the tactics were bad and the players were unfamiliar with the tactics. The U.S. spacing was all wrong, they didn't have players in position to support one another. Honduras was winning the second balls because they had more players in the right positions to contest for them. And U.S. players were tentative not because they lacked fight or didn't care but but because they were unfamiliar with the shape and didn't know where they were supposed to be.
100%. I would also add that the gaping hole between the forwards and CM made it appear as if players were slow to get back and defend the middle of the park, and left nobody in a good spot to win second balls. For all of the legit criticisms of Gregg, the USMNT has generally brought good energy and hustle under his watch.

One player I might call out is Brooks. He’s been so good for so long that I probably just take him for granted. He’s in the prime of his career and should be a veteran leader if by example only. But I thought he was pretty poor in both games, and both goals the US conceded seemed to come because he was not where he should be.
 

DJnVa

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Heard some of Berhalter's comments on the radio--he talked about the formation shift and wanting to press higher, etc. but he apparently also told the team the effort wasn't there in the first half.


Also, anyone have the xG from that game?
 

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Heard some of Berhalter's comments on the radio--he talked about the formation shift and wanting to press higher, etc. but he apparently also told the team the effort wasn't there in the first half.


Also, anyone have the xG from that game?
I always like to guess xG because I always am way off and it shows me that I was watching emotionally (or that it's a crap stat).

My guess for the game is 2.8 to 1.8.
 
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I always like to guess xG because I always am way off and it shows me that I was watching emotionally (or the it's a crap stat).

My guess for the game is 2.8 to 1.8.
View: https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1435970405316001798/photo/1


1.91 to 1.44

Honduras dominated the first 60 minutes, but couldn't get their shots on net. Then the US padded with some direct play late when Honduras got tired and had to push to try to equalize.


Edit- and underrated thing about last night.... if we only had the usual 3 subs do we win? Some of it was better play by us, but also we have a lot of depth compared to Honduras, and were bringing on good players who were fresh, where they tired but didn't have similar level players to bring on. If we can't bring on Yedlin for example.... could have been rough.
 

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If he was previously deported, can he re-enter the country for El Salvador's game here?
He most likely received a 5 or 10 year bar from re-entry if it was his first deportation. But there are waivers for everything and they are commonly applied.

He’ll have a waiver and be allowed entry, especially considering that he may well be entering on a P-1 Visa which is reserved for athletes. That Visa would serve the dual purpose of specifically tying the waiver to his participation in a sporting event while still barring him from visiting the US as a tourist.