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I don’t care that Mexico is better than the US and that Gregg is trying to play a certain style- the complete lack of adjustments in tactics and/or team selection is embarrassing and frankly feels pretty damning.
Yes, the central problem seems to be that Berhalter is too much of an ideologue right now. He has repeatedly said he likes a DM who can spray long diagonals as a sort of QB-type midfielder. The problem is that we don't have anyone who can do this, and also be good at the defensive part of the job. And against good opponents who press our DM, guys like Trapp and Bradley struggle to even make those progressive forward passes.

I'm not sure when Berhalter will be willing to abandon certain aspects of his system if he clearly doesn't have the players for it. I mean, maybe he sees Adams as that DM when he's healthy, but I'm not sure he does based on the fact that Adams doesn't quite have the long passing game that Trapp & Bradley do, and that Adams has been used as an RB in the past.

A lot hinges on Berhalter accepting reality and making adjustments now. His post-game comments aren't encouraging in that regard. I'm pretty patient compared to most fans and am perfectly willing to accept that there will stinkers as our player pool slowly recovers from its nadir, but it's always concerning when the manager won't just acknowledge that we sucked once in a while. Berhalter isn't quite at Klinsmann levels of arrogance and denial of responsibility, but that's not a level you even want to approach.
 

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I wonder whether we’d be better or worse with one of those totally average international managers who’ve managed 3 different national teams.

I suspect yes, because those guys at least know how to parachute in and play to a pool’s strengths.
 

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I want to be optimistic. I feel what TB has to say, but I also read what the players said post-game. If there’s ever a time to stick to your guns, damn the consequences...then a dead period friendly is the time to do it. This team does need to learn how to play out from the back against quality opponents if they want to progress. I’m just hoping (against hope?) that Adams at DM, Brooks at CB, and some in-game tactical flexibility will make things much better when the matches count for something.
 

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I want to be optimistic. I feel what TB has to say, but I also read what the players said post-game. If there’s ever a time to stick to your guns, damn the consequences...then a dead period friendly is the time to do it. This team does need to learn how to play out from the back against quality opponents if they want to progress. I’m just hoping (against hope?) that Adams at DM, Brooks at CB, and some in-game tactical flexibility will make things much better when the matches count for something.
I don't enjoy being relentlessly negative and I don't feel relentless negative about Berhalter and the USMNT — certainly not compared to the typical discourse in the usual online places for US soccer.

I'm okay with a rough period if there's a clear goal and progression. I do think that there are legitimate concerns that Berhalter is too married to certain tactical features/roles that don't and won't fit the player pool. I'm not convinced that's true by any stretch, but it's something I'm increasingly looking for as time progresses.

As is always the theme in US soccer, some of this negativity could be mitigated with proper communication. Berhalter acting all surprised that the media and fans are negative about the game is not helpful. Instead, anticipate that a dispiriting loss against Mexico amid a dispiriting half-decade will generate frustration and acknowledge it. This isn't rocket science.

I agree about Brooks and especially Adams. Brooks would have been so helpful against the press; I think we can live with Long's or Zimmerman's distribution as long as they are paired with a superior partner, but together there isn't enough on-the-ball ability as a team. We need Chris Richards to pan out, I guess, as some of our other young guys like Robinson and CCV are not going to help in this regard.

Zardes gets the most heat and clearly should be replaced, but I actually think Trapp is more detrimental to how the team plays. So many cascading problems come from a DM who is below average on both sides of the ball at this level.

Now that Cannon has established himself as a decent option at RB, I really hope DM is handed to Adams when he is healthy. If Berhalter thinks that Adams' distribution doesn't have the "QB"-style stuff he wants, then switch up the midfield roles. Keep Adams as a destroyer, and throw in someone else as a deep-lying playmaker or something like that.
 

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The “stay optimistic” was directed at myself, really. Last night was depressing and undercut the patience Berhalter earned himself following a good Gold Cup showing.

We do need to see more pragmatism, both in the big picture and the in-match adjustments. There’s never going to be enough camp time to mold the team like club squad. To @Jimy Hendrix point, that’s a lesson a national team manager triple retread wouldn’t have to learn.

Edit: Trapp’s comments in the Wahl piece are the most damning. If you’re confused and panicked by Mexico’s press - a system only recently installed into a national team side - then you’re way over your head.
 
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Departing camp:

Steffen
Johnson
Brooks
Morales
McKennie
Pulisic

Left on the squad:

GKs: Guzan, Gonzalez
Fullbacks: Cannon, Dest, Lima, Lovitz, Ream
CBs: Long, Robinson, Zimmerman
CMs: Trapp, Roldan, Yueill, Lletget, Pomykal
Wingers: Baird, Boyd, Morris
FWs: Sargent, Zardes
 

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Some news:

  • On the CEO front, Dan Flynn is officially stepping down on September 16. Chief Stakeholder Officer Brian Remedi will take over on an interim basis until a new CEO is hired by the board. Jay Berhalter, Gregg's brother, is the USSF COO and has widely been expected to be the hire. However, it seems that the NYT article about the USSF Glassdoor revolt against Jay was sufficiently damaging and had an effect. I've seen some reporters suggest that Remedi might ultimately be the hire, though no decision is imminent. I had never heard of Remedi until the last month or so, when someone suggested to me that he might be a darkhorse candidate. I don't know much about him, but apparently he is more well-liked among the rank-and-file than Berhalter.

  • Gregg Berhalter has confimed that Jackson Yueill will start tomorrow against Uruguay.
 

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Some discussion of the depth chart in advance of tonight's 8pm ET friendly with Uruguay.

Not a lot of discussion about which FBs could go to either side, and I think they should give more thought to CCV.

I know nothing of Duane Holmes - should I?

TB should avoid the "DM" section of the article.
 

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Some discussion of the depth chart in advance of tonight's 8pm ET friendly with Uruguay.

Not a lot of discussion about which FBs could go to either side, and I think they should give more thought to CCV.

I know nothing of Duane Holmes - should I?

TB should avoid the "DM" section of the article.
No, give me Adams!!! The unfortunate thing is that Bradley and Trapp are still very much on the depth chart because we just don't have the depth. Maybe Brandon Servania at FC Dallas can move up the rankings soon, but he's not there yet. Morales is an option, but I don't think he's a good enough passer for Berhalter to ever use him as a single pivot.

I admittedly haven't checked in on CCV in a while as he plays a bajillion Championship games, but his passing ability is a liability for his USMNT chances, if it hasn't improved.

Holmes is one of those players in Europe at an okay level who people latch onto perhaps more than they should. He has good qualities, though, and has looked bright in limited USMNT minutes. I don't see him as a long-term starter or anything, but he could be a useful piece for the time being.
 

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The lineup tonight appears to be:

Boyd — Sargent — Morris
Yueill — Lletget
Roldan
Dest — Ream — Long — Cannon
Guzan​

The local guys (Ream, Sargent) get the start in St. Louis. No Zardes, no Trapp should keep the wolves at bay, at least until the game starts!
 

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The wolves won't be very happy with Roldan getting the start, I don't think, but there's not much else to be up in arms about. Maybe Guzan in goal instead of a younger guy.
 

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Yeah, the US even won the xG stats by a decent margin.

Not a great performance, but the US was missing many (by our standards) top players, and Uruguay wasn't highly motivated, so there's only so much that can be gleaned from it all.

Onto four games of the CONCACAF Nations League.
 

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We're bringing Dest in for that right? Tie him to US?
They made a good point about this on Sirius FC this morning (I know I know but...) That if they were Dest and his representation that they would decline the offer to "sign" for the US for the Nations League while continuing to play and get minutes at Ajax. The rubber doesn't really meet the road until World Cup qualifiers start next September so he can try to build his resume with the Dutch for the entire season and then make the call based on their interest for the camps leading into qualification. Made sense to me that unless he feels totally frozen out by the Dutch that he'd probably wait the year and only play Friendlies.
 

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They made a good point about this on Sirius FC this morning (I know I know but...) That if they were Dest and his representation that they would decline the offer to "sign" for the US for the Nations League while continuing to play and get minutes at Ajax. The rubber doesn't really meet the road until World Cup qualifiers start next September so he can try to build his resume with the Dutch for the entire season and then make the call based on their interest for the camps leading into qualification. Made sense to me that unless he feels totally frozen out by the Dutch that he'd probably wait the year and only play Friendlies.
So he's deciding between 2 countries that didn't make the last World Cup.
 

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So he's deciding between 2 countries that didn't make the last World Cup.
Play alongside Frankie de Jong or Wil Trapp? Tough call...

The Dutch are lining up their future at left back. Recently, they have been starting Van Aanholt (age 29) with Daley Blind and Nathan Ake serving as back ups at both CB and LB. (They also do with at RB with Veltman serving as Dumfries backup.) Jetro Willems has been in and out of the squad, but has earned 22 caps and is only age 25. I'm having a hard time seeing Dest break through as the starting LB this cycle, though it's possible given his quick rise at Ajax. And unless the Dutch change up their roster construction, there won't be a dedicated LB back up. Maybe they see Dest as able to cover between RB & LB?

The USMNT offers a very direct path to the starting job. And given our crappy track record of developing LBs, the only real long term competition is likely to be Gloster (who just started with PSV's reserve squad).

The USMNT offers the longterm likelihood of being the starting LB. The Dutch team seems a lot more iffy, though they are probably going to play a lot more high profile matches (UEFA Nations League, Euro Cup).

It would really suck to lose Dest.
 

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If I'm Dest and his camp I probably turn down a call up next month. If he has a flat year, its unlike the US freezes him out. If he has a good/promising year for Ajax he basically has a spot for the Oranje as a pretty nice possibility. Yes would definitely suck to lose Dest.
 

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US planning it's next January training camp in Qatar.


The U.S. is hoping to face a to-be-determined international opponent during its stay in Qatar, which is about the size of Connecticut, before returning to the United States for a domestic friendly. The Americans would also have the opportunity to play closed-door scrimmages against top-level club, as several German Bundesliga sides train in Qatar and the nearby United Arab Emirates during that league’s winter break.
 

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A former MLS player and U.S. men’s national team member told Seattle-based conservative talk show host Jason Rantz that he hopes MLS fans “wear their MAGA gear to MLS games” now that “antifa thugs have just fought, and won the freedom of political expression,” according to an article published Wednesday by Rantz.
This has to be Lalas right? I'm only half kidding. Lalas is somewhat of a twisted genius to me in that he has trolled so effectively over the years I have no earthly idea of where his perspective truly lies.

 

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Geoff Cameron is the obvious guess because he has been outspokenly Trump-y at times, but the evidence suggests that it's Eddie Robinson, a longtime MLSer who retired in 2011 and who got one cap for the USMNT back in a 2008 January camp. Basically, Robinson also has a conservative record on Twitter and has also repeatedly interacted with Jason Rantz on Twitter as well.
 

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Pablo Maurer says Dest not in Nations League team. Not a surprise really massive decision for him and no need to rush it. Hopefully he is still just undecided and not fully committing the Oranje.
 

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The roster for CONCACAF Nations League.

GOALKEEPERS (3): Brad Guzan (Atlanta United FC; 61/0), Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 8/0), Zack Steffen (Fortuna Düsseldorf/GER; 16/0)

DEFENDERS (8): Reggie Cannon (FC Dallas; 8/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 8/0), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 13/2), Daniel Lovitz (Montreal Impact/CAN; 10/0), Matt Miazga (Reading/ENG; 17/1), Tim Ream (Fulham/ENG; 36/1), DeAndre Yedlin (Newcastle United/ENG; 59/0), Walker Zimmerman (LAFC; 11/2)

MIDFIELDERS (8): Brenden Aaronson (Philadelphia Union; 0/0), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC/CAN; 150/17), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy; 11/2), Weston McKennie (Schalke/GER; 15/3), Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG; 32/13), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 16/0), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 20/0), Jackson Yueill (San Jose Earthquakes; 3/0)

FORWARDS (7): Jozy Altidore (Toronto FC/CAN; 115/42), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 28/5), Corey Baird (Real Salt Lake; 4/0), Tyler Boyd (Besiktas/TUR; 7/2), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 35/6), Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER; 9/2), Gyasi Zardes (Columbus Crew SC; 53/10)


No Dest, as reported.

The one newbie is Brenden Aaronson, who has had a breakout year with Philadelphia and reportedly impressed at last month's U23 camp. I don't think he's ready for prime time, but it's not bad to have a couple of young players in camp to acclimate for the future. There's another U23 camp this month, where many of the other cup-of-coffee candidates will likely be found.

Yedlin is back. Miazga is unexpected for me — I thought he'd still be on the shelf.

Adams should return to the field soon, but was never going to be here. I haven't seen a timeline on Weah.
 

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Nothing I could find on Weah other than significant hammy injury. Which probably means not very close. Aaronson and the like definitely make sense when you're calling up for a short window. Let them get a sip of the full NT preparations and things. Loved when they did it with other players in the past, the odds you use the full 23 in a 2 game window is near 0.
 

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Miles Robinson has been bumped up from the U23s to replace Walker Zimmerman, who likely suffered a concussion over the weekend.

Altidore is yet to be evaluated after being subbed out in his game.
 

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Feel for Zimmerman that not the kind of injury I'd want anyone to suffer but so glad Miles gets the nod to replace him, he's earned it this year.
 

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Honestly I'd be more happy with like 80%. Let Zardes come in late, let Sargeant get 75 mins. Zardes shouldn't be a 75+ minute player for the USMNT no matter how much Berhalter loves his familiarity with the system.
 

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Honestly I'd be more happy with like 80%. Let Zardes come in late, let Sargeant get 75 mins. Zardes shouldn't be a 75+ minute player for the USMNT no matter how much Berhalter loves his familiarity with the system.
Totally agree, but I'm resigning myself to Zardes starting at least one game.
 

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How much would his club team pressure the US into limiting his minutes as the club is short forwards and these games are relatively meaningless?
 

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I mean it's possible for sure, look at Lampard with Kante, but I have to think him staying home this summer buys the USMNT a little wiggle room.
 

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Gregg said that Sargent is starting vs. Cuba tomorrow. Hopefully he shows well and gets the nod for Canada as well.
 

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Seeing this thread and the USMNT prospects thread bumped simultaneously, I was bracing for Dest developments.

I’ll take the opportunity to say that I wish we played Canada home and home every year. That should be a bigger rivalry. Throw in baseball, basketball, hockey and rugby and make it a whole international multi-sport event.

With the nations league, maybe at least the soccer part will happen more often.
 

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Seeing this thread and the USMNT prospects thread bumped simultaneously, I was bracing for Dest developments.

I’ll take the opportunity to say that I wish we played Canada home and home every year. That should be a bigger rivalry. Throw in baseball, basketball, hockey and rugby and make it a whole international multi-sport event.

With the nations league, maybe at least the soccer part will happen more often.
I think the problem is just that Canada's men's soccer team hasn't been very good for a long time. We haven't lost to Canada since 1985 (10-7-0), and all the draws were in friendlies; we've won the last 7 competitive matches. Canada hasn't made the Hex since the 1998 cycle (they finished last, and we beat them 3-0 both home and away). If Canada ever got good again the rivalry would spark back up.

There's a real rivalry on the women's side, where both teams are ranked in the top 10 (and Canada is still angry about the 2012 Olympics).
 

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Canada is better now than they've been in years; they have some legitimately quality attackers in Davies, David, and Cavallini, all of whom would easily be in the US squad. They have a few good midfielders too, like Mark-Anthony Kaye. Their defense and goalkeeping are suspect. Furthermore, one of their starting CBs (Doneil Henry) will be suspended for the Canada-US game.
 

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I still remember a Gold Cup (‘08 or thereabouts) where Canada was a bad offsides call away from taking the US out - they played really well and seemed on the upswing then. It’s taken some time to build on that.
 

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Apparently the USMNT was working out at GMU the other day (where both of of Pulisic's parents played), which is where my son goes to school, but by the time he heard about it they were finished.
 

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I still remember a Gold Cup (‘08 or thereabouts) where Canada was a bad offsides call away from taking the US out - they played really well and seemed on the upswing then. It’s taken some time to build on that.
The "Atiba was onside" game in the semifinal, when Canada was denied a goal to tie the US in stoppage time.

The next US game was this one:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RondjO3zezc
 

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A tradition unlike any other: we already have a defection.

 

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A tradition unlike any other: we already have a defection.

This being in a USMNT thread I thought you were referring to a US player jumping to another country.
 

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Pulisic - Sargent - Morris
Yueill - McKennie - Roldan
Lovitz - Ream - Miazga - Cannon
Guzan