TomBrunansky23 said:I live in Rochester and I seriously doubt Oak Hill will ever get another Open. Places like Oakland Hills, Baltusrol, Medinah, Hazeltine, and even Brookline (so far) aren't on the radar either. My fear is that we will have to come back to this gravel pit (literally) again just so Davis and the USGA can prove their stupid point. Sickening.
Corsi said:
Brookline targeted for 2022.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/04/29/the-country-club-open/E0yVvxBAX3Ep9tvyTlCpXO/story.html
They were mid-renovation in 2013...it's far better suited for a major now.TomBrunansky23 said:
That's why I said so far. Should have had the Open there in 13 to commemorate 100 years since Ouimet's victory.
I wish the USGA luck in getting Brookline to turn off the sprinklers and brown the shit out of the place.
Lupe Whalewatch said:They were mid-renovation in 2013...it's far better suited for a major now.
TomBrunansky23 said:I live in Rochester and I seriously doubt Oak Hill will ever get another Open. Places like Oakland Hills, Baltusrol, Medinah, Hazeltine, and even Brookline (so far) aren't on the radar either. My fear is that we will have to come back to this gravel pit (literally) again just so Davis and the USGA can prove their stupid point. Sickening.
Comfortably Lomb said:
Baltusrol will host next year's PGA. Probably out of the major loop a few years after that. Might be a PGA rotation course going forward.
USGA is going to Erin Hills in 2017... no idea what we're going to get there. The course opened in 2006.
Good point. I think somewhere in that time frame they realized the course just doesn't hold up for a major championship golf. They made some subtle changes, adding a decent amount of length to the course. They put a new tee on champ 12 maybe 60-70 yds back, and a new tee on 15 which is probably 40 or so yards back. Just necessary changes to keep pace with today's players.TomBrunansky23 said:
These things are handed out 7, 8,10 years in advance. They'd have had it ready for 2013.
Hopefully whatever renovations they have done aren't similar to the shitshow Pinehurst turned into last year. At this point I have no faith in the USGA. Just wait two years until Erin Hills. Another British Open on acid just like this one.
Andy North said it best this week. You don't play Wimbledon on clay.
Lupe Whalewatch said:Good point. I think somewhere in that time frame they realized the course just doesn't hold up for a major championship golf. They made some subtle changes, adding a decent amount of length to the course. They put a new tee on champ 12 maybe 60-70 yds back, and a new tee on 15 which is probably 40 or so yards back. Just necessary changes to keep pace with today's players.
Same here, I love the place. I think the biggest problem there is 18. It used to be a GREAT finishing hole, where players had to hit 5 or 6 iron into that green. Now sadly it's driver wedge for these guys. Unfortunately there isn't any room to lengthen that hole.TomBrunansky23 said:
Can't wait to see them go back to Brookline. The talking heads all fretted about Merion not holding up a couple years ago. Bullshit. +1 won it. As I recall the course was even green and they watered it. Imagine that.
Comfortably Lomb said:
Baltusrol will host next year's PGA. Probably out of the major loop a few years after that. Might be a PGA rotation course going forward.
USGA is going to Erin Hills in 2017... no idea what we're going to get there. The course opened in 2006.
ThePrideofShiner said:I kept hoping someone else would start this thread, but I just can't wait.
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Some of the stories I've read say Spieth will win because his caddy is a local guy.
HriniakPosterChild said:
I don't know Thing #1 about golf, but it looks like some of the stories you read were correct.
BigMike said:
Went to the website, and at least it looks like a golf course. Looking at Erin Hills, it is hard to get a read on how it will play. . It looks relatively flat (lots of little ups and downs, but doesn't look like huge elevation changes). Carved out of a wetlands, so water should not be an issue, and their should be quality greens.
Kind of hard to tell what the course will play like in 4 years. No trees. No water. Lots of target golf
ThePrideofShiner said:Hey played awfully well. Really excited about him. Hard to believe he was playing high school golf four years ago.
radsoxfan said:
I'm naive when it comes to the USGA selection process, but is it FIFA-lite money under the table stuff?
Some of the courses they pick are strange, to say the least. Was this week their Qatar?
HriniakPosterChild said:
Did you manage to rent out your house to responsible people with bags of money falling out of their pockets?
BigMike said:Honestly it looked so out of place for the region. When I think of the pacific Northwest, and golf. I would expect a course that is lush and green, and heavily wooded. Instead we got this joke of a manmade creation that could have been dropped into and quarry in the world, because it had nothing to do with the region
ThePrideofShiner said:Haha. No. I gave up that ghost about a month ago when I realized what a giant pain in the ass it would be. I decided just to enjoy the moment for what it was. Plus, we got a bunch of repaved roads and new street lights out of it.
radsoxfan said:
I'm naive when it comes to the USGA selection process, but is it FIFA-lite money under the table stuff?
Some of the courses they pick are strange, to say the least. Was this week their Qatar?
Comfortably Lomb said:
USGA has been trying to push more public courses in recent years. They don't want the rotation to be all the private stalwarts of the past. That was the big thing about going to Bethpage (which is an awesome course), and ditto for Torey Pines. It looks like the USGA wants to get some of the modern courses in the rotation too but I think they missed the mark with Chambers... it's too tricked out and gimmicky to be taken seriously. Kind of like the PGA should be staying away from Whistling Straights.
My understanding from reading reactions of people who've played there before is that it is never close to this baked out and dry. Getting the fairways slightly more soft and lush and having the greens be softer and a bit more receptive would greatly decrease the severity of the slopes around that place. The USGA seems to have gone the Shinnecock 04 route and went a bit over the edge with drying the place out.BigMike said:
Sitting through that for 4 days, I can't even imagine a public golfer trying to play this course. Maybe they fairways are a little fuller or the greens a little slower, but I think I would quit the sport after playing a round there. Hit a perfect drive into the middle of fairway, end up in heavy fescue. Hit a shot at the flag, end up 25 yards away, miss one by 30 yards end up with a 5 foot putt. How does an a regular golfer play a course where you have to have a topographical map of the green to have any idea where you are supposed to hit an approach shot
This is sort of my take on it as well. I want to see birdies, I like to see eagle putts. There were just enough of those in my opinion. I would take 5 or 6 guys under par versus +7 winning the tournament, which I think happened recently, maybe at Winged Foot.BigMike said:Just flipped on the Golf Channel, and the guys there are talking about how big a problem it would have been if the Greens were decent, because every US Open record would have been shattered if the putts ran true.
I don't really disagree, I really think with better greens 63 would have been shattered yesterday
Absolutely, the course is defenseless on its own. It's just long and wide open. There are some difficult fescue filled areas but they were mostly avoidable--kind of for show. Make the greens run true and you will see a lot more putts drop.BigMike said:Just flipped on the Golf Channel, and the guys there are talking about how big a problem it would have been if the Greens were decent, because every US Open record would have been shattered if the putts ran true.
I don't really disagree, I really think with better greens 63 would have been shattered yesterday
Ogilvy won with a +5 score at Winged Foot in 06, then Cabrera won with +5 at Oakmont in 07. They are going back to Oakmont next year.Merkle's Boner said:This is sort of my take on it as well. I want to see birdies, I like to see eagle putts. There were just enough of those in my opinion. I would take 5 or 6 guys under par versus +7 winning the tournament, which I think happened recently, maybe at Winged Foot.
I'm on record very early in this thread with how much I hate Chambers (played it twice) but there a couple of things that did not really let Chambers have it's teeth. First, they took out a LOT of tall fescue since I last played it. The pros don't play the "unplayable" shot, they get to recover, so they made it possible to run through or miss the fairways and still have a shot. Last time I played it, all of that stuff that looked like deeper rough was the same tall grass as up on the hills. Miss the fairway, lost ball. More importantly though, the course was built on the coast of the PNW. The weather looked like the coast of San Diego. There's almost always a VERY strong wind. The weather is the biggest defense of the course. With perfect weather like they had the scores could be very low. If there's perfect weather at St Andrews you'll see crazy low scores there too and that course has a pretty good track record.Comfortably Lomb said:Absolutely, the course is defenseless on its own. It's just long and wide open. There are some difficult fescue filled areas but they were mostly avoidable--kind of for show. Make the greens run true and you will see a lot more putts drop.
The Country Club didn't place a bid to host the 2013 Open. It hosted the U.S. Amateur instead.TomBrunansky23 said:
That's why I said so far. Should have had the Open there in 13 to commemorate 100 years since Ouimet's victory.
I wish the USGA luck in getting Brookline to turn off the sprinklers and brown the shit out of the place.
There are often low scores at St. Andrews (Oosty shot -16 in 2010), but nobody ever said St. Andrews was a monster for pros, and the R&A never proclaim the Open Championship to be the most difficult test in golf. The U.S. Open is different.jercra said:If there's perfect weather at St Andrews you'll see crazy low scores there too and that course has a pretty good track record.
It's rare that you're right about something, so just wanted to give you your fair due here good friend. High five!FL4WL3SS said:I'm not sure about DJ. Putting will be at a premium and he can be shaky with the flat stick.
The difference between DJ's and Grace's collapse is that DJ is a star player who has had a history of coming up small in these spots. The 4-times-a-year golf fan had no idea who Branden Grace was yesterday. Dj has the 82 on Sunday at Pebble in the 2010 U.S. Open, losing it on the 72nd hole at Whistling Straits, and the 2011 Open. Holding the 2011 Open against him is probably unfair since he was 2-behind Clarke on 14, but that shot did effectively end that tournament. This makes 4 very public train wrecks for DJ in majors.Leon Trotsky said:DJ getting pretty rough treatment in blowing the tournament I think. Had he made the eagle putt, or even the birdie, Spieth might have gotten the same treatment for absolutely blowing it on 17, and Grace also completely blew it on 16. DJ's just happened to come on the very last swing in the tourney.
Anyway, despite all the bitching, that was one riveting sporting event that came down to the wire. I love the story of the course (only the third public course out of 50 that have hosted the US Open I think), the train was great, and the competition was stellar.
cshea said:Dj has the 82 on Sunday at Pebble in the 2010 U.S. Open, losing it on the 72nd hole at Winged Foot...
Freddy Linn said:
Whistling Straits. That was another guy's choke job.
I can't believe how awesome the drive and 5-iron were on 18. Two perfectly struck golf shots for 600 yards, followed by two awful putts.
PaulinMyrBch said:Looking back I did enjoy the tournament as far as the course was concerned and I wasn't expecting that when I first watched a bit on Thursday. I wasn't crazy about the inconsistent greens and the unfairness of missing a shot by a few feet and having your 10 foot putt turn into a 50 yard chip, but we've seen that at other events (Masters, etc). I thought the wide fairways and ability to make some of those holes reachable made it interesting. The finishing holes had enough birdie chances to make it interesting, yet still penalized a bad shot. Made for a good finish. But those greens, wow, just awful for 15-16 of them.
It wasn't particularly makeable, but to avoid the four footer and to leave the next putt in a better spot he needed to hit it way softer than he did.Comfortably Lomb said:
The first putt was not that bad. It was downhill and swung a bit to the right. He basically tapped it to get it moving. I don't think it was particularly makeable for a 12-footer. The comebacker was weak. Looked like he wasn't confident in what it would do.
Blind squirrel etcThe Four Peters said:It's rare that you're right about something, so just wanted to give you your fair due here good friend. High five!
Absolutely.Freddy Linn said:It wasn't particularly makeable, but to avoid the four footer and to leave the next putt in a better spot he needed to hit it way softer than he did.
FL4WL3SS said:Tiger has had an interesting history in Phoenix.
- He had the infamous hole-in-one on 17 in 1997
- He had the crowd move a boulder as a 'loose-impediment' to bend the rules
- A heckler was tackled after following him around the course, found later to have a gun
Hasn't played since 2001. I'll enjoy watching his return.
FL4WL3SS said:Absolutely.
You guarantee yourself at least the playoff. He was trying to make it and blew it. The most stunning thing was that he just watched Day blow it 4 feet by. He fucked up trying to go for the win.
If he had made that putt, he would have been infamous. It was a risk worth taking for him, just didn't work out.