UMass Football 2014

Franklin Fanatic · Jan 10, 2014

UMass to announce new coach on Monday at 11am. My gut says Don Brown.

jsinger121 · Jan 10, 2014

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I'm told that Mark Whipple interviewed on Thursday at #UMass and details are still being worked out, but he is the choice for the job.

Corsi · Jan 10, 2014

The second Mark Whipple era appears ready to begin for the University of Massachusetts football program.

According to multiple UMass sources, Whipple has accepted an offer in principle to lead the Minutemen for a second time. He was on campus to interview for the position on Friday. He met with athletic department staff as well as UMass system president Robert Caret, and toured the new facilities building, which is under construction, but due to open before the start of the 2014 season.

It’s unclear whether UMass would hold a weekend press conference to introduce Whipple or wait until Monday.

http://ht.ly/stMJH

berniecarbo1 · Jan 10, 2014

This is not a big surprise to the extent that they hired a HC who is in the downside of his career. Whipple was a hot commodity for a while a few years back but his window essentially closed. He was living in Arizona and out of football this past year.

I have always been a big Whipple fan and thought he should have been hired at BC instead of Jags. Things might have been quite different in Chestnut Hill if that had happened. However this is a monumental task he encounters. They are FBS now and can't grab those D1 transfers like he did before and the program is in the shitter.

His job will be to stabilize the program and get it back to respectabity. I imagine it will be a 6 year deal at probably $4.5M. If he can set it up so that the Minutemen are playing .500 ball in 3 years he will have done his job. That is give the program respect, put it in a position to go to the AAC and make the program attractive to a young, innovative dynamic coach who can move the program further down the road.

berniecarbo1 · Jan 10, 2014

RedSoxFan · Jan 11, 2014

I don't know how Whipple will do at the FBS level but I'm excited about him coming back. Whipple inherited a 2-9 team his first year in '98 and turned them into I-AA champions. That at least gives me some hope that he could get next year's team into a bowl game. Not saying that's the probable outcome but I at least have hope. If Molnar had come back I think the ceiling would have been 3 or 4 wins.

doldmoose34 · Jan 11, 2014

Like Bernie, I was for Whipple at BC when Jags was hired, and the irony is that the reason he wasn't was that he wanted to bring Brown along as DC while our little shit AD at the time wasn't going to let anything happen to his goomba Spazzo, I hate DeFlippo more then I hate Kenmore Kommunity Kollege

I think this is a great hire for UMass, he will get the western fan base back and he always has been an interesting offensive guy

This is the last stand here for Aggie Football if Whipple fails, then I can see them pulling the plug, atleast he has bought time

RedSoxFan · Jan 14, 2014

http://www.umassathletics.com/allaccess/?media=426950

The entire press conference is available for anyone who missed it.

Infield Infidel · Mar 26, 2014

My guesses in order of likeliness from least to most

Independence
Beg the AAC to take them
C-USA
Sun Belt
Back to FCS and hope the CAA takes them back

Independence is a fools errand for non-national brands, so forget that.
While a viable program with reach into the Boston market would be great for the AAC, I don't think UMass fits that bill. They aren't good enough. And UConn certainly would be against it. This could change if the Big 12 grabs a team from the AAC like Cincinnati.
C-USA is southern based and wiil have an even numbers of members
Sun Belt needs a member to get to 12, so that could work. They do have two football only-members (Idaho and New Mexico St) so they might accommodate. But they are pretty far-flung as it is. The closest member would be Appy St.
CAA makes sense if they slide back to FCS

I think it's 50/50 between Sun Belt and FCS.

Infield Infidel · Mar 26, 2014

FBSchedules has a good write-up http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/03/umass-leave-mac-after-2015-football-season/

They say they are committed to FBS football

DJnVa · Mar 26, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
I think it's 50/50 between Sun Belt and FCS.

Based on that article you posted after this, the Sun Belt would have at least one of the same issues as the MAC--travel. Perhaps the Sun Belt will let them be football only. But are they really more desirable than other Sun Belt rumors like JMU or Liberty?

Because most of the MAC schools are in the Midwest, the additional travel would strain our athletic budget and pose considerable time management challenges for our student athletes.

Dan Murfman · Mar 26, 2014

At this point UConn should welcome them to the conference. At least give both schools fans an away game they can drive too.

Infield Infidel · Mar 26, 2014

DrewDawg said:
Based on that article you posted after this, the Sun Belt would have at least one of the same issues as the MAC--travel. Perhaps the Sun Belt will let them be football only. But are they really more desirable than other Sun Belt rumors like JMU or Liberty?

absolutely football-only in the Sun Belt. I forgot that Navy will be football-only in the AAC, for obvious reasons.

I tell you what though, I'm intrigued to see how well Whipple does. He's got some added pressure to do well. If they are mid-pack in the MAC in two years, the AAC might be interested. Basketball is doing pretty well, but they have to get off the mat in football.

Senator Donut · Mar 26, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
FBSchedules has a good write-up http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/03/umass-leave-mac-after-2015-football-season/

They say they are committed to FBS football

If the MAC gave them the option to join the conference in all sports and UMass said no, I assume they've already made a deal elsewhere. It'd be suicidal otherwise.

Orel Miraculous · Mar 26, 2014

Domer said:
If the MAC gave them the option to join the conference in all sports and UMass said no, I assume they've already made a deal elsewhere. It'd be suicidal otherwise.

Joining the MAC for all sports would have been suicidal for their basketball program. I don't think they have a deal elsewhere, I think they just established that basketball remains their top priority.

Grimace-HS · Mar 27, 2014

RedOctober3829 said:
Liberty and JMU are such better options than UMass at this point. I've been to both facilities and they blow away anything that UMass has or will have. UMass is screwed.

I'm mostly impressed with JMU's stadium....I literally do a double-take every time I drive by it on I-81. What is amazing is that the stadium only has a capacity of about 25,000; not too far off from UMass if the stands were brought in toward the ground level (I believe I saw some drawings depicting that as an option), along with an upper deck or end zone seating. If UMass is going to be committed to FBS football, then I do believe that have to make it work in Amherst. Building a college program 90 minutes from campus was an iffy idea from the start, and has proven to be too difficult to really generate that needed atmosphere. A solid facility upgrade seems necessary, and I do think that the campus could withstand some growing pains in the win/loss department while still getting decent attendance when students can just walk from the dorms to the games, and then onto whatever they would do with the rest of their Saturday.

I have to think Whipple knew that leaving the MAC was the likely scenario, and that UMass has some game plan that he is comfortable with to take on the job in the first (or, rather, second) place. The AAC is likely the best case scenario, but UMass would have to make major leaps in on-field performance, facilities, and attendance; and also still likely be carried by the basketball program. My guess is the strategy should be to demonstrate an on-campus presence successfully and hope that the basketball program makes them look attractive enough for the AAC (a long shot to do over a two-year span, however). If they can't do that, then hoping for the Sun Belt and building the Amherst presence would likely be the last chance to stay at the FBS level.

Grin&MartyBarret · Mar 27, 2014

Grimace-HS said:
I'm mostly impressed with JMU's stadium....I literally do a double-take every time I drive by it on I-81. What is amazing is that the stadium only has a capacity of about 25,000; not too far off from UMass if the stands were brought in toward the ground level (I believe I saw some drawings depicting that as an option), along with an upper deck or end zone seating. If UMass is going to be committed to FBS football, then I do believe that have to make it work in Amherst. Building a college program 90 minutes from campus was an iffy idea from the start, and has proven to be too difficult to really generate that needed atmosphere. A solid facility upgrade seems necessary, and I do think that the campus could withstand some growing pains in the win/loss department while still getting decent attendance when students can just walk from the dorms to the games, and then onto whatever they would do with the rest of their Saturday.

I have to think Whipple knew that leaving the MAC was the likely scenario, and that UMass has some game plan that he is comfortable with to take on the job in the first (or, rather, second) place. The AAC is likely the best case scenario, but UMass would have to make major leaps in on-field performance, facilities, and attendance; and also still likely be carried by the basketball program. My guess is the strategy should be to demonstrate an on-campus presence successfully and hope that the basketball program makes them look attractive enough for the AAC (a long shot to do over a two-year span, however). If they can't do that, then hoping for the Sun Belt and building the Amherst presence would likely be the last chance to stay at the FBS level.

I believe JMU's stadium was designed in such a way that it can easily be scaled up with an additional upper deck.

Infield Infidel · Mar 27, 2014

Another remote option is a group of eastern FCS schools making the jump, a la the Big West back in the 90s. JMU, Liberty, Delaware, a few others. UMass could then join that group.

Grin&MartyBarret · Mar 27, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
Another remote option is a group of eastern FCS schools making the jump, a la the Big West back in the 90s. JMU, Liberty, Delaware, a few others. UMass could then join that group.

A lot of rumors out there that JMU may be replacing UMass in the MAC as a full member. Geographically, it makes some sense, as JMU isn't terribly distant from the MAC East schools.

Infield Infidel · Mar 27, 2014

Interestingly, in Sagarin's 2013 ratings, CAA was stronger than MAC-East, and Sun Belt was stronger than C-USA and MAC (he splits each conference by division, so I'm counting the conferences as a whole).

Bill Connelly wrote his big UMass preview last month. summation: It can't get worse. It's a good long read.

mabrowndog · Mar 27, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
Another remote option is a group of eastern FCS schools making the jump, a la the Big West back in the 90s. JMU, Liberty, Delaware, a few others. UMass could then join that group.

Yeah, that was something I tossed up in the realignment thread a couple of years back, and "remote" is an apt word given current circumstances. My scenario had the same 4 you mention plus Villanova, GA Southern & Appalachian State among other stragglers. But Nova's got stadium issues, while GSU & Appy have already committed to the Sun Belt, so the pool of FCS jumpers is really limited. GSU & ASU would have served as solid anchor schools in the heart of recruiting haven.

Grin&MartyBarret · Mar 27, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
Interestingly, in Sagarin's 2013 ratings, CAA was stronger than MAC-East, and Sun Belt was stronger than C-USA and MAC (he splits each conference by division, so I'm counting the conferences as a whole).

Bill Connelly wrote his big UMass preview last month. summation: It can't get worse. It's a good long read.

Of course, the MAC East probably jumps ahead of the CAA again once UMass leaves.

RedSoxFan · Mar 28, 2014

Starting to think it won't be so bad if UMass were an independent for a couple of years. I think more conference realignment is inevitable and basically any one of the AQ conferences expanding would have a trickle down effect where a spot in the AAC would open up.

Also, UMass has done a pretty good job with scheduling and getting decent name schools to play at Gillette. I don't think they'd have a problem satisfying the NCAA requirement of 5 home games. The opportunity to play guarantee games on the road will be there as well. Some of the MAC schools might be willing to do a series especially if UMass can offer them a home-and-home in basketball in return. The main issues with going indie are TV money and bowl tie-ins but perhaps NESN or CSNNE will make a deal to televise some games and if they were to get to bowl eligibility would have to hope there aren't enough eligible teams to fill all of the bowl slots.

mabrowndog · Mar 29, 2014

RedSoxFan said:
Starting to think it won't be so bad if UMass were an independent for a couple of years. I think more conference realignment is inevitable and basically any one of the AQ conferences expanding would have a trickle down effect where a spot in the AAC would open up.

Also, UMass has done a pretty good job with scheduling and getting decent name schools to play at Gillette. I don't think they'd have a problem satisfying the NCAA requirement of 5 home games. The opportunity to play guarantee games on the road will be there as well. Some of the MAC schools might be willing to do a series especially if UMass can offer them a home-and-home in basketball in return. The main issues with going indie are TV money and bowl tie-ins but perhaps NESN or CSNNE will make a deal to televise some games and if they were to get to bowl eligibility would have to hope there aren't enough eligible teams to fill all of the bowl slots.

Imagine yourself as the CEO of either network. Ignoring for the moment all the horrible programming decisions these outlets have made over the years, what would prompt you to pay good hard cash for the privilege of airing UMass football games? How would you make any profit? What entities outside of those in Springfield/Amherst are going to advertise on these broadcasts, which would air all over New England? How many viewers in ME, NH, VT, RI and CT are going to watch the Minutemen, let alone those east of the Palmer exit on the Mass Pike?

j-man · Mar 30, 2014

no offence to Umass but living in a sun beit town in Jonesboro Ark I Am a hogs Fan btw but A-State has a beautiful stadium but their students fail to show up in football and basketball its sad i would gladly root for A-State but... A-State few diehard fans rather the razorbacks lose then they win

and that pisses me off

j-man · Mar 30, 2014

j-man said:
no offence to Umass but living in a sun beit town in Jonesboro Ark I Am a hogs Fan btw but A-State has a beautiful stadium but their students fail to show up in football and basketball its sad i would gladly root for A-State but... A-State few diehard fans rather the razorbacks lose then they win

and that pisses me off

i meant they would rather arkansas lose above all else

RedSoxFan · Mar 30, 2014

mabrowndog said:
Imagine yourself as the CEO of either network. Ignoring for the moment all the horrible programming decisions these outlets have made over the years, what would prompt you to pay good hard cash for the privilege of airing UMass football games? How would you make any profit? What entities outside of those in Springfield/Amherst are going to advertise on these broadcasts, which would air all over New England? How many viewers in ME, NH, VT, RI and CT are going to watch the Minutemen, let alone those east of the Palmer exit on the Mass Pike?

I was thinking since UMass football games did air on CSNNE when they played in the Colonial, there must be some value out there. Perhaps sports bars in the region would have the game on and some of the ads could be used to promote CSN or NESN's other programming. I suppose it might have to be a time-buy type of deal. There is the internal "UMass Sports Network" that can be used to produce games. Also UMass does have Coca-Cola and Mapfre Commerce Insurance as sponsors in addition to some Western Mass centric sponsors. Wouldn't be a big money maker unless Notre Dame or Michigan or some other big program decided to come to Foxboro, but hoping that this will allow UMass to weather the storm for a couple of years until there is more conference realignment.

mabrowndog · Mar 31, 2014

RedSoxFan said:
I was thinking since UMass football games did air on CSNNE when they played in the Colonial, there must be some value out there. Perhaps sports bars in the region would have the game on and some of the ads could be used to promote CSN or NESN's other programming. I suppose it might have to be a time-buy type of deal. There is the internal "UMass Sports Network" that can be used to produce games. Also UMass does have Coca-Cola and Mapfre Commerce Insurance as sponsors in addition to some Western Mass centric sponsors. Wouldn't be a big money maker unless Notre Dame or Michigan or some other big program decided to come to Foxboro, but hoping that this will allow UMass to weather the storm for a couple of years until there is more conference realignment.

They aired those games through the CAA's syndication deal with Comcast SportsNet (corporate, not just the New England channel). Those broadcasts were produced by Jefferson-Pilot, and Comcast had the rights to pick & choose the 20 annual conference games they wanted to air, allowing them to maximize local revenues through their various regional outlets. So when UMass played, say, Villanova, Comcast didn't give a shit if nobody from New England watched so long as a certain percentage of Philly viewers tuned in. And when they played regional rivals like Maine or UNH, they banked on an an uptick in New England viewership by attracting two local alumni bases instead of just one. I believe the only CAA stipulation was that each conference team would have at least one game on TV. Even with that restriction, Comcast was able to make it work dollar-wise.

If UMass plays as an independent, no such deal exists. Never mind not being a "big money maker", it wouldn't be a money maker at all.

RedSoxFan · Apr 25, 2014

From an Eastern Kentucky website:

The Maroon Nation had learned that the Sun Belt had decided to expand by using current FBS teams which leaves the Colonels out. Sun Belt officials were scheduled to visit Eastern’s campus on May 5th but has since canceled. No word yet on what this means for the Colonels plans to move up to the FBS level.

Looks like UMass will be joining the Sun Belt in football.

mabrowndog · May 15, 2014

RedOctober3829 said:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jeremy-fowler/24562275/sun-belt-umass-in-discussions-about-membership

Looks like UMass is a number of schools the Sun Belt is considering. If I was the Sun Belt, I'd take Liberty over UMass. They have much better facilities and fan support.

Agreed. And they're a far better geographic fit for most of the Sun Belt members. I mean, yeah, the overall conference alignment is fragmented dogshit with the likes of Idaho & New Mexico State. But it's still concentrated in the south.

UMass is clearly a misfit toy, but the SBC is the only vacant chair at the only dance, and there's nothing but ugly girls there.

From the UMass Daily Collegian:

Geographically, the Sun Belt would be a difficult fit for the Minutemen with its previous 11 football members being located primarily in southern and southwestern states, and even extending as far wast as Idaho. One of the reasons UMass left the MAC was because geographically it was not a good fit for all its sports to play in the conference. However based on recent discussion to join as a football only conference, geography may not play a factor in this decision.

In July 2013, the university hired Carr Sports Consulting to help assess the Minutemen’s conference standing and later helped in the process of hiring current head coach Mark Whipple. The same firm will assist the university in finding a new conference home prior to the 2016 season.

caminante11 · May 22, 2014

mabrowndog said:
UMass is clearly a misfit toy, but the SBC is the only vacant chair at the only dance, and there's nothing but ugly girls there.

Looks like the Sun Belt decided to say thanks but no thanks: http://www.masslive.com/umassfootball/index.ssf/2014/05/umass_football_conference_real.html

mabrowndog · Jun 6, 2014

UMass announces 8 walk-on players. Detailed reports & video on each at the link.

Five of the eight new members of the program hail from the Bay State and will join head coach Mark Whipple's impressive incoming class this fall.

The group is made up of two wide receivers, two linemen, a running back/athlete, a tight end, a defensive back and a place kicker adding additional depth to those positions for the upcoming season.

Alfred Adarkwah - WR - 6-4/175 lbs - Worcester, Mass. - Doherty Memorial HS
Basit Dennis - OL/DL - 6-2/280 lbs - Worcester, Mass. - Worcester Academy
T.J. Kelley - WR - 6-6/215 lbs - Shrewsbury, Mass. - St. John's HS
Andrew Libby - ATH - 6-0/195 lbs - Saco, Maine - Thornton Academy
Jon Lucier - TE - 6-6/215 lbs - Holden, Mass. - Wachusett Regional HS
Joe Previte - OL/DL - 6-2/285 lbs - Brockton, Mass. - Northfield Mt. Hermon
Jeremy Rodriguez - DB - 6-2/205 lbs - Hillsdale, N.J. - East Coast (MA) Prep
Matthew Wylie - PK - 6-5/190 lbs - Dripping Springs, Texas - Dripping Springs HS

thehitcat · Jun 8, 2014

Alfred Adarkwah - WR - 6-4/175 lbs - Worcester, Mass. - Doherty Memorial HS

from my high school give or take 25 years and a big part of the Doherty run to the State title. He has the ability to get even better and his size is ideal. I think he will be a steal for UMass and after a year in the weight room and in practice (has not played football for very long) will see the field for them regularly especially in the Red Zone. My guess is a red shirt year for him but I like this pickup for the Minutemen.

mabrowndog · Jun 10, 2014

Matt Vautour on the continuing search for a football conference -- and preparations for life as an independent.

I can sum it up in five words: This program is beyond fucked.

If UMass is forced to exist as an independent, it will face some challenges. With Navy joining the American Athletic Conference, there will be only three Bowl Subdivision independents — Army, Brigham Young and Notre Dame. Each school has national appeal that has earned them television contracts (Army with CBSSports Network, BYU with ESPN and Notre Dame with NBC) and bowl affiliations, which makes their independent status lucrative. UMass wouldn’t enjoy those advantages. Even with a good record, to get a bowl invite UMass would need other conferences to not produce enough bowl-eligible teams.

Television coverage could be hard to come by, and even if the Minutemen could get a contract, it’s unlikely to be lucrative. On top of that, conference members rely on their leagues for revenue. If one team reaches a bowl game, each team in the league receives a share of bowl revenue. That wouldn’t be the case as an independent.

Scheduling would be difficult as well. Most teams play only conference games after mid-October. Finding foes in November can be challenging.

AD John McCutcheon with the obligatory lipstick on a pig:

“We’re very attractive (as an opponent) to a number of schools. Conference play does come into the equation,” McCutcheon said. “I can’t tell you what it would look like exactly, but I think we’ll have the opportunity to put it together. Will there be an FCS opponent on there? There might be. We’ll look at it as creatively as we can.”

McCutcheon said UMass remains committed to FBS football over the long haul.

“I still think this is the right thing for us to do. It’s where we should be. There are no guarantees in this process. In the long term, once we get through some of this, five-10 years down the road I think people will say it was a good thing we made this move.”

WayBackVazquez · Jun 10, 2014

Gotta find a new conerence.

RedSoxFan · Jun 11, 2014

Looking more like "Together we're done". At least they have two more seasons as a MAC member before the shit really starts to hit the fan.

mabrowndog · Jun 11, 2014

So to recap...

* No TV revenue
* No bowl revenue
* No ticket revenue
* No shared conference revenue
* Horrendous scheduling challenges after 2015
* Their only conceivable recruiting mantras are "Hi, Mark Whipple, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you" and "1998 wasn't really that long ago".

But they're paying rent to Bob Kraft for three more years and spending $30M on a new locker room/training facility plus a new press box at Warren McGuirk, while that piece of crap stadium remains largely the same as a spectator venue: A drab and vacuous yet grossly undersized cement monument to the 60s.

I'd drop an email to Bob Ley to suggest an Outside The Lines investigation into this laughable debacle, but there isn't a chance in hell that anyone in Bristol would give a mosquito's fart about it.

Infield Infidel · Jun 11, 2014

I thought they played rent-free? They did at first; did Kraft start charging them rent?

mabrowndog · Jun 11, 2014

Infield Infidel said:
I thought they played rent-free? They did at first; did Kraft start charging them rent?

No, you're right about that. I was so ripshit when I posted, it totally slipped my mind. Maybe through willful ignorance, or perhaps subconsciously knowing that any savings there is a mere pittance relative to the dearth of other essential income and the exorbitant costs the program is extorting from students & taxpayers alike. But they're still forking over $5 per ticket to the Krafts (which, if it isn't "rent" per se, certainly means they're not playing there for free). And they're still busing the team, the AD staff and the marching band 2 hours each way for every game in Foxboro.

Here's what really frosts me. The changes they're making at McGuirk are in response to concerns voiced by the MAC two years ago. But that doesn't mean they'll be sufficient to satisfy any other conference they're begging to join. So even if (and when) they're ultimately adopted as the wicked stepchild somewhere, who's to say there won't be another list of demands for that facility?

Dan Murfman · Jun 24, 2014

UConn/UMass at Gillette in 2016

http://runwayramblings.blogspot.com/2014/06/report-uconnumass-to-play-at-gillette.html

Corsi · Jun 24, 2014

mabrowndog said:
But they're paying rent to Bob Kraft for three more years and spending $30M on a new locker room/training facility plus a new press box at Warren McGuirk, while that piece of crap stadium remains largely the same as a spectator venue: A drab and vacuous yet grossly undersized cement monument to the 60s.

FWIW, I was in McGuirk for my sister's graduation last month and while the new training facility and press box were still under construction, they did look pretty good.

I mean, it's the definition of putting lipstick on a pig, but it's something, right? Right?

E5 Yaz · Jun 24, 2014

Can we still blame Frank McInerney for this? Because I want to

Franklin Fanatic · Aug 19, 2014

RedOctober3829 said:
A very ugly pig at that. Seriously, there are many FCS facilities that are better than what UMass has(and that is arguably after they complete upgrades).

Take a look on line at the new performance center. It has to be one of the best Football facilities in the MAC.

UMass certainly need to do more to McGuirk to make it more comfortable and fan friendly. However, they need to start winning some games and being competitive before that happens.

I'm happy with the Mark Whipple era so far. He has greatly improved the talent level. It may not translate into OOC wins, but we should be strong once we get to MAC games.

Blake Frohnapfel (Marshall transfer), was named the starting QB yesterday. 11 days until BC!

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