Tyler Skaggs passes away

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Is that really the takeaway? Throw shit out there and when it sticks get vindicated?
Its certainly not the overall takeaway, but their reporting was correct and they were slammed for it. Just as if it was proven wrong I would expect and consider justified lawsuits up the ass
 

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The only angle involving the Angels that I can see here is the Angels athletic trainer unknowingly gave him pain pills that were laced. I can not believe that athletic trainers give fentanyl as a pain reliever. It's way, way too potent and obviously deadly.
Why do you limit it to the trainer? The family was shocked that it may involve "an employee" of the Angels. Could be a clubhouse attendant, some sort of lower level staffer who might be willing to do things for a few extra dollars, security, anyone who the player may interact with. Was Jared Remy not once employed by the Red Sox?
 

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Why do you limit it to the trainer? The family was shocked that it may involve "an employee" of the Angels. Could be a clubhouse attendant, some sort of lower level staffer who might be willing to do things for a few extra dollars, security, anyone who the player may interact with. Was Jared Remy not once employed by the Red Sox?
I wasn’t thinking from a drug dealing angle. That could be possible I guess.
 

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Why would a team physician give him black market meds for pain killers? Don't these guys have top of the line pharmaceuticals and prescription pad? If Skaggs was actually suffering from some type of pain, I can't imagine a team physician couldn't easily get him meds to be doled out at a pharmacy.

That isn't to say something shady didn't happen, but if Skaggs' arm/shoulder/something was hurting him I think finding legit pain killers shouldn't be a problem
Oh jeez I’m not talking about the team physician or anyone legit, I’m talking about a clubbie or lackey of some sort.
 

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Why would a team physician give him black market meds for pain killers? Don't these guys have top of the line pharmaceuticals and prescription pad? If Skaggs was actually suffering from some type of pain, I can't imagine a team physician couldn't easily get him meds to be doled out at a pharmacy.

That isn't to say something shady didn't happen, but if Skaggs' arm/shoulder/something was hurting him I think finding legit pain killers shouldn't be a problem
I doubt that him using fentanyl had anything to do with pain management. He wasn't on the IL when he died and usually arm injuries only hurt while throwing. Fentanyl is often used as a recreational drug (from Addiction Center):

Those ingesting fentanyl at unprescribed levels experience an intense euphoria and sense of relaxation similar to a heroin “high.”

That his blood alcohol level was .12% is further indication he was trying to get "high". I believe he was cursed with a vulnerability for drug addiction and don't see it as being a defect in character in any way.
 

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Why would a team physician give him black market meds for pain killers? Don't these guys have top of the line pharmaceuticals and prescription pad? If Skaggs was actually suffering from some type of pain, I can't imagine a team physician couldn't easily get him meds to be doled out at a pharmacy.

That isn't to say something shady didn't happen, but if Skaggs' arm/shoulder/something was hurting him I think finding legit pain killers shouldn't be a problem
A team physician would absolutely not prescribe him black market meds. Which is why the allegations made by his family are carefully couched to avoid any legal blowback. (" ... it may involve an employee of the Los Angeles Angels.")

My guess is that the family believes that the Angels got him hooked on pain meds, and Skaggs sought out black market meds when the team physician and/or trainer would not continue to supply him. Or some other sort of indirect connection.
 

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A team physician would absolutely not prescribe him black market meds. Which is why the allegations made by his family are carefully couched to avoid any legal blowback. (" ... it may involve an employee of the Los Angeles Angels.")

My guess is that the family believes that the Angels got him hooked on pain meds, and Skaggs sought out black market meds when the team physician and/or trainer would not continue to supply him. Or some other sort of indirect connection.
I really hope that's not the case, that they think the Angels medical staff prescribed him meds and then cut him off knowing he was still seeking them. That implies that they were aware that he might have had an addiction (if he was asking for them and was denied) and did nothing.

The family may simply be lashing out in denial of the notion that Skaggs had an addiction issue at all. He may have hidden it well, and they're grasping at anything that allows them to absolve him of blame in their minds.

I think if there was a failing on anyone's part as far as team employees, it's most likely that a clubhouse attendant was aware of Skaggs' addiction and didn't tell his superiors who may have been able to get Skaggs help. Clubbies are running errands for players all the time, whether it's picking up dry cleaning or running down to Popeyes for a mid-game snack. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that some clubbies might be willing to do errands that are outside the scope of legal activities, like scoring a player drugs.
 

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"A public relations employee for the Los Angeles Angels told federal investigators that he provided oxycodone to Tyler Skaggs and abused it with him for years, and that two team officials were told about Skaggs' drug use long before his death, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

Eric Kay, the Angels' director of communications, also gave U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents the names of five other players who he believed were using opiates while they were Angels, the sources said."

 

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"A public relations employee for the Los Angeles Angels told federal investigators that he provided oxycodone to Tyler Skaggs and abused it with him for years, and that two team officials were told about Skaggs' drug use long before his death, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

Eric Kay, the Angels' director of communications, also gave U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents the names of five other players who he believed were using opiates while they were Angels, the sources said."

Wow, this is something.

Kay told DEA investigators that hours before Skaggs' death in July, Skaggs was in his Southlake Hilton hotel room and texted Kay to visit him, according to a source familiar with what Kay told the DEA. Kay also told investigators that Skaggs snorted three lines of crushed opioids in front of him, the sources said. Kay recognized that two of the lines could have been crushed oxycodone, but the third was not a substance he recognized, the sources said. Kay said he did not take any drugs despite being offered them by Skaggs, the sources said, because he was on a medication that would have negated the effects.
 

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Wow, this is something.

Kay told DEA investigators that hours before Skaggs' death in July, Skaggs was in his Southlake Hilton hotel room and texted Kay to visit him, according to a source familiar with what Kay told the DEA. Kay also told investigators that Skaggs snorted three lines of crushed opioids in front of him, the sources said. Kay recognized that two of the lines could have been crushed oxycodone, but the third was not a substance he recognized, the sources said. Kay said he did not take any drugs despite being offered them by Skaggs, the sources said, because he was on a medication that would have negated the effects.
Not following. Is he suggesting (which creepily autocorrected to “Sudafed ring”) that Skaggs got some other shit (and presumably died) from someone else?
 

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Anyone in the LAA organization who knew about this and aided Skaggs and the other players, rather than help them overcome their addiction should be fired before sundown.

if this was the NCAA the team would be served with a lack of institutional control punishment. I wonder what the MLB equivalent is for that.

Angles just released a statement

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Wow, this is something.

Kay told DEA investigators that hours before Skaggs' death in July, Skaggs was in his Southlake Hilton hotel room and texted Kay to visit him, according to a source familiar with what Kay told the DEA. Kay also told investigators that Skaggs snorted three lines of crushed opioids in front of him, the sources said. Kay recognized that two of the lines could have been crushed oxycodone, but the third was not a substance he recognized, the sources said. Kay said he did not take any drugs despite being offered them by Skaggs, the sources said, because he was on a medication that would have negated the effects.
I don’t quite understand this. There were 3 lines of opioids. But Kay couldn’t recognize one of the lines, so how did he know it was an opioid and not coke or ketamine or something else?
 

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I don’t quite understand this. There were 3 lines of opioids. But Kay couldn’t recognize one of the lines, so how did he know it was an opioid and not coke or ketamine or something else?
It seems he'd done drugs with Skaggs previously and also supplied him with drugs and the only things Skaggs seemed interested in were opioids. I"m super surprised there isn't more talk of this, it is a really damning report from OTL. If true that Angels higher ups knew of the drug problems Skaggs was having and did nothing what can MLB do to the team?
 

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Not following. Is he suggesting (which creepily autocorrected to “Sudafed ring”) that Skaggs got some other shit (and presumably died) from someone else?
Yeah, that's 100% CYA. The fuzz doubtless have some evidence the employee was supplying Skaggs with drugs. So the fallback is - "Oh, I only gave him the drugs that wouldn't have killed him, and I most certainly did not give him the drugs that did. How do I know? I happen to have eyewitness knowledge that one of the lines he snorted was mystery shit."

Also, I'm curious about the medication he's on that would just stop opioid effects. Thoughts on that?

(PS - not the medication itself, but why it's an important fact for him to put out there.)
 
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Yeah, that's 100% CYA. The fuzz doubtless have some evidence the employee was supplying Skaggs with drugs. So the fallback is - "Oh, I only gave him the drugs that wouldn't have killed him, and I most certainly did not give him the drugs that did. How do I know? I happen to have eyewitness knowledge that one of the lines he snorted was mystery shit."

Also, I'm curious about the medication he's on that would just stop opioid effects. Thoughts on that?

(PS - not the medication itself, but why it's an important fact for him to put out there.)
The first question I'd have asked the guy is if he took the drugs too. He was probably just getting ahead of the story.
 

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Did any of you read the article? the guy was a drug addict right along with Skaggs but he went to rehab, while he was in rehab Skaggs was texting him asking him for drugs. Kay's mother went to the Angels asking that they tell Skaggs to stop texting her son for drugs while he's in rehab trying to clean himself up, so them saying they had no clue is nonsense if Kay's mother is to be believed. Don't they give drug addicts certain drugs to block the drug's effect on them? That's what I believe he was referring to.
 

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The first question I'd have asked the guy is if he took the drugs too. He was probably just getting ahead of the story.
He IS the story, he showed OTL the Venmo's from Skaggs to him to pay him for the drugs he was getting him.
 

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Did any of you read the article? the guy was a drug addict right along with Skaggs but he went to rehab, while he was in rehab Skaggs was texting him asking him for drugs. Kay's mother went to the Angels asking that they tell Skaggs to stop texting her son for drugs while he's in rehab trying to clean himself up, so them saying they had no clue is nonsense if Kay's mother is to be believed. Don't they give drug addicts certain drugs to block the drug's effect on them? That's what I believe he was referring to.
They give out Naltrexone (known commercially as Vivitrol) shots to stop/hinder the effects of Opioids. It is said to also reduce the desire to use heroin/opioids. I know some people who have been administered it. Usually by a monthly injection. Always used for some temporary period of time.
 

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Yeah, that's 100% CYA. The fuzz doubtless have some evidence the employee was supplying Skaggs with drugs. So the fallback is - "Oh, I only gave him the drugs that wouldn't have killed him, and I most certainly did not give him the drugs that did. How do I know? I happen to have eyewitness knowledge that one of the lines he snorted was mystery shit."

Also, I'm curious about the medication he's on that would just stop opioid effects. Thoughts on that?

(PS - not the medication itself, but why it's an important fact for him to put out there.)
Revia/Vivitrol : both naltrexone which blocks the desire for opiates and blunts the effects of opiates

Suboxone : an opiate/naltrexone combo which prevents withdrawal and blocks the opiate receptor

Methadone an opiate that is really long acting and used to treat addiction, generally blocks other opiates from the receptors preventing a high
 

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Wondering if any of this weighed into the dismissal of Brad Ausmus after just one season. The Angels certainly expected better in terms of wins and loses, but Ausmus is supposed to be one of the up and coming new breed of manager.
 

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Did any of you read the article? the guy was a drug addict right along with Skaggs but he went to rehab, while he was in rehab Skaggs was texting him asking him for drugs. Kay's mother went to the Angels asking that they tell Skaggs to stop texting her son for drugs while he's in rehab trying to clean himself up, so them saying they had no clue is nonsense if Kay's mother is to be believed. Don't they give drug addicts certain drugs to block the drug's effect on them? That's what I believe he was referring to.
I read the article.

Sounds like Kay has admitted that he supplied Skaggs with drugs within 24 hours of his death. Kay therefore has an obvious motive to claim that other people supplied Skaggs with drugs, or at least that his drug use was notorious enough that other suppliers can’t be ruled out. Maybe Kay's claims will ultimately be proved true, but I think people are right to be skeptical of claims which, for the moment, haven’t been corroborated by anyone besides Kay, his attorney, or his mother.
 

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They give out Naltrexone (known commercially as Vivitrol) shots to stop/hinder the effects of Opioids. It is said to also reduce the desire to use heroin/opioids. I know some people who have been administered it. Usually by a monthly injection. Always used for some temporary period of time.
An oral dose also completely eliminates alcohol-related cravings in about 20 minutes.
 

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I read the article.

Sounds like Kay has admitted that he supplied Skaggs with drugs within 24 hours of his death. Kay therefore has an obvious motive to claim that other people supplied Skaggs with drugs, or at least that his drug use was notorious enough that other suppliers can’t be ruled out. Maybe Kay's claims will ultimately be proved true, but I think people are right to be skeptical of claims which, for the moment, haven’t been corroborated by anyone besides Kay, his attorney, or his mother.
Sure, but it just seemed people were skeptical of things that Skaggs admitted to doing-doing drugs with and supplying drugs to Skaggs. The Venmos seem a clear corroboration that Skaggs was paying Kay quite frequently hundreds of dollars for something, drugs seems to be a pretty obvious choice.
 

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So we have a front-office guy, a director of communications, involved in illegal/lethal drug use with a player? And no one gets wind of it, or does anything, or they look the other wauntil the player ODs?

I'm sure it's more common than we want to think. But this organization seems rotten.