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We had a lot of boring summers during the 154-game schedule when the Yankees would open up a 10-game lead and coast into October where there was just a World Series to worry about. So baseball did something about it. Now we have playoffs up the wazoo. One game just to keep playing? This is our modern world. No more boring summers. Octobers are nuts. I prefer the modern setup, flaws and all.
I'm not complaining about October at all - I love it. The intensity is palpable. But I also think that baseball's regular season is uniquely demanding and challenging, and it's a shame that we basically wipe it all away and only care about the outcome of a postseason tournament, as great as it is.
 

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I'm not complaining about October at all - I love it. The intensity is palpable. But I also think that baseball's regular season is uniquely demanding and challenging, and it's a shame that we basically wipe it all away and only care about the outcome of a postseason tournament, as great as it is.
That's why I try to enjoy all the challenges along the way. The two NY-Houston series were amazing. Boston and NY have split six games. They have 13 games left to determine their own fate inside the division. The trick is to beat up on the bad teams and then edge your fellow heavyweight. Boston's ability to flog Baltimore might give them the division.
 

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Crow thought Dernell meant 6 more home games than Boston has played but really he meant 6 more home games than road ones, as you say.

FWIW, NY has been really good both home and road since their 9-9 start, 21-5 at home and 16-6 on the road, 37-11 overall since April 21. I think they maybe have a better record against good (over .500) teams than bad (everyone else) teams so far, but I don't feel like putting in the time to research that one.
 
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What's even worse than the increasing likelihood of BOS/NY having the best two records in baseball and only one being able to make the final four teams in the playoffs (the ALCS) is that under this idiotic postseason system, if the best THREE teams in baseball are all in the same division, still only one can make the final four teams. This actually just happened in 2015, STL won the NL Central with 100 wins, PIT/CHC played in the wild card game with 98/97 respectively, and no other team in baseball had more than 95.

I have complained about this every year since they put it in, it's really dumb and could be easily fixed by reinstating the old rule of division foes not being able to meet in the DS.
 

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Houston or whoever wins the West basically gets a walkover into the ALCS since they will face a much weaker AL Central team whereas the AL East champion probably faces the second place team.The team with the top record in the league will be disadvantaged. I think the team with the best record in each league should be able to choose it's playoff opponent.
 

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I would not be surprised if the Astros end up with the best record in the league. Also, the Indians are a healthy Andrew Miller and maybe Francisco Mejia away from being a great team. That Indians staff is still really good. Anything can happen in the playoffs
 

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Yeah, I was going to say that too, the Indians were the best team in the AL going into the postseason last year and they still have a ton of talent, although they need bullpen help in addition to Miller.
 

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I would not be surprised if the Astros end up with the best record in the league. Also, the Indians are a healthy Andrew Miller and maybe Francisco Mejia away from being a great team. That Indians staff is still really good. Anything can happen in the playoffs
I agree about the Astros. They're right up there with the Sox and Yankees now in terms of wins and winning percentage and I can't see them slowing down much unless something catastrophic happens. It's absolutely not a given that the best record is coming out of the East.
 

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I feel that ML going back to two leagues (AL, NL) with just two divisions would help with this one wildcard game bullshit. Two division winners get a bye week. Next 4 best teams between two divisions play two best of 3 series with travel days between every game.
It would also help clear up this overly loaded divisional bullshit playing Tampa, Toronto, Baltimore and NY so many stinking times it gets boring as hell. I'd love for Cleveland and Detroit to be back in the same division. I realize it makes one division with 7 teams and one with 8.... not sure about that little problem
 

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Cleveland and Detroit are still in the AL Central. Did you mean a different team?
 

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He means back in the same division as BOS, the East, as it used to be.
 

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He means back in the same division as BOS, the East, as it used to be.
Yes. Thanks for clarifying.
I'm just also a little bored of playing the (as it now exists) AL East teams a ridiculous amount of times. I'd like to see the unbalanced schedule go away and changing back to two divisions would help alleviate that
 

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I think we're more likely to see two expansion teams and four divisions of four per league before we see consolidation into two divisions per league.

They're not going to move backwards no matter what.
 

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He means back in the same division as BOS, the East, as it used to be.

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I was only 4 when the AL Central was created so my view of baseball has pretty much always been in the divisional framework as it exists now.

I think the three game series idea is a pretty good one, there is just too much riding on that one game for both teams. Would be a little more "fair". But then again, it was introduced to promote "parity" so while I am sure that we would be disappointed if the Sox were knocked out after one game, the fans of Seattle would be pretty thrilled about it.
 

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I feel that ML going back to two leagues (AL, NL) with just two divisions would help with this one wildcard game bullshit. Two division winners get a bye week. Next 4 best teams between two divisions play two best of 3 series with travel days between every game.
It would also help clear up this overly loaded divisional bullshit playing Tampa, Toronto, Baltimore and NY so many stinking times it gets boring as hell. I'd love for Cleveland and Detroit to be back in the same division. I realize it makes one division with 7 teams and one with 8.... not sure about that little problem
I wouldn`t want to win the division if my players got a whole week off, or even 4 or 5 days. The hitters timing would be effected.
 

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I wouldn`t want to win the division if my players got a whole week off, or even 4 or 5 days. The hitters timing would be effected.
Cora is literally already working on that potential problem.
 

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Fangraphs and 538 both have the Astros finishing one game ahead of the Yankees for best record in the AL. BP has New York in a statistical dead heat, 101.4 games to 101.2. All three scenarios have the Red Sox finishing three games back of NYY in the East.

The July deadline is going to be a big factor here. Brian Cashman will undoubtedly use his Jedi mind tricks to obtain a top of the line starting pitcher without giving up any of his important prospects. Dombrowski and Luhnow might very well be competing for the same available bullpen help.
 

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If Pomeranz ever gets healthy, he'll be like a deadline addition, whether in his own form or that of Wright being a useful piece in the BP. I don't think the Sox need to do much, assuming health. I suppose thy can try to add a "big" bullpen piece, but the price will be high for the guys and it's hard to imagine other teams can't pay more. The Sox just happen to have all the pieces at the exact same time as the MFY and Astros do, too. In the East, those last 3 games at Fenway will likely matter a lot.
 

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A guy to get at the deadline to really hurt the Red Sox: J.A. Happ. Red Sox have an OPS this year of .672 vs lefties, .813 vs righties. The other contending teams are all pretty much balanced in that regard. The usual suspects on the Sox have trouble with LHP (the LHHs), but also, surprisingly, JD Martinez. Nunez too. Hanley was .190 better OPS wise vs lefties this year, but he got canned. Some contender’s going after Happ, who has also pitched well over his career against the Red Sox.
 

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Regarding potential playoff berths and ensuing matchups, I think folks would be wise not to underestimate Seattle. I hadn't paid any attention to them prior to this past series, but I came away pleasantly surprised. Let me rephrase that: I came away alarmingly impressed. Disproportionate 1-run victories aside, with that pitching staff, they are the real deal. They could throw a huge monkey wrench in either Boston or New York's October reservation plans.
 

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A guy to get at the deadline to really hurt the Red Sox: J.A. Happ. Red Sox have an OPS this year of .672 vs lefties, .813 vs righties. The other contending teams are all pretty much balanced in that regard. The usual suspects on the Sox have trouble with LHP (the LHHs), but also, surprisingly, JD Martinez. Nunez too. Hanley was .190 better OPS wise vs lefties this year, but he got canned. Some contender’s going after Happ, who has also pitched well over his career against the Red Sox.
Xander has hit about 30% better over his career vs L compared to R (128 WRC+ vs 96).
JD Martinez has been a career 143 WRC+ hitter vs L, compared to 130 WRC+ vs R.
Mookie has a career 137 WRC+ vs L, compared to 127 vs R. And he is killing lefties this year with a small sample size (52 AB) 221 WRC+.
Devers is a (short) career 109 wrc+ vs L, 92 WRC+ vs R.
Christian Vazquez has a career 85 WRC+ vs L, 67 WRC+ vs R.
Brock Holt has a 99 WRC+ vs L, 88 WRC+ vs R in his career.

With 4 of their top 6 hitters being better against lefties in their careers, and some of their back end of the lineup guys being better as well, I think they are going to end up just fine against lefties this year.
 

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as usual I was shortsighted and didn't see the Astros inevitably making their run when their offense started clicking with that staff.

I think winning the AL East and coming in 2nd to face a potentially really weak CLE team with HFA is the ideal scenario. Let the Yankees or Mariners have a clash with the Astros first, and I'll take my chances of a ALCS with Houston having HFA again if it comes to it.

the division is a huge premium this year. the Twins folded within an inning at Yankees in the WC game last year, the Mariners aren't as likely to do the same.

now the Mariners are overperforming, no doubt, but they're still a good enough team in this year's AL that they should get the 2nd WC rather easily, as the Angels are falling back with their injuries / thin roster anyways and no other team is above .500
 

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I don't dismiss the Indians - they have the luxury of playing in the weakest division in MLB while they try to get their pitching staff healthy. If they get straightened out, they'd still be a tough opponent in a five-game series.
 

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Xander has hit about 30% better over his career vs L compared to R (128 WRC+ vs 96).
JD Martinez has been a career 143 WRC+ hitter vs L, compared to 130 WRC+ vs R.
Mookie has a career 137 WRC+ vs L, compared to 127 vs R. And he is killing lefties this year with a small sample size (52 AB) 221 WRC+.
Devers is a (short) career 109 wrc+ vs L, 92 WRC+ vs R.
Christian Vazquez has a career 85 WRC+ vs L, 67 WRC+ vs R.
Brock Holt has a 99 WRC+ vs L, 88 WRC+ vs R in his career.

With 4 of their top 6 hitters being better against lefties in their careers, and some of their back end of the lineup guys being better as well, I think they are going to end up just fine against lefties this year.
You can call platoon splits a small sample size for each individual player this year, but cumulatively, the entire team is not a small sample size, and it's all recent vs. going back years like career numbers do. A journeyman like LeBlanc setting down 22 or whatever it was in a row (OK, one guy having a career type night, but still) was eye opening. CC was 4 and 0 with a 1.04 ERA vs. Boston last year. I hope Cora and staff are at least aware and are trying to figure out what is going on vs. lefties.
 

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You can call platoon splits a small sample size for each individual player this year, but cumulatively, the entire team is not a small sample size, and it's all recent vs. going back years like career numbers do. A journeyman like LeBlanc setting down 22 or whatever it was in a row (OK, one guy having a career type night, but still) was eye opening. CC was 4 and 0 with a 1.04 ERA vs. Boston last year. I hope Cora and staff are at least aware and are trying to figure out what is going on vs. lefties.
They had injuries to some of their hitters who hit lefties the best. Kinda simple.
 

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I kind of waver on this issue.

Sure, it'll suck if the team with the 2nd best record has a coin-flip game and, even if they win, must then face the team with the best record.

Then again, sometimes that's just how it works out. Plus what @DeadlySplitter splitter said: winning the division is going to be key -- which makes the division race so much more interesting.
 

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I don't dismiss the Indians - they have the luxury of playing in the weakest division in MLB while they try to get their pitching staff healthy. If they get straightened out, they'd still be a tough opponent in a five-game series.
Even with a decimated rotation in 2016, we saw how well that worked out for Boston facing off against them. Playoffs (esp the first round) are such a short sample, it really doesn't matter who you face. It mostly matters whether your own team gets hot.
 

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Houston is an absolute juggernaut, now that their offense is clicking. NY is going to be great all year. Boston sure looks like they have both the hitting and the pitching to continue to play at a really high level. And Cleveland has a ton of talent and can get rolling too. Not to mention the Mariners, who appear to be every bit as good as their record indicates.

The postseason could feature five tremendous teams in the AL.
 

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Houston is an absolute juggernaut, now that their offense is clicking. NY is going to be great all year. Boston sure looks like they have both the hitting and the pitching to continue to play at a really high level. And Cleveland has a ton of talent and can get rolling too. Not to mention the Mariners, who appear to be every bit as good as their record indicates.

The postseason could feature five tremendous teams in the AL.
Totally.

From here, there's a ton of incentive for the Sox to win the East. Cleveland is a really good team, but facing them is far preferable to a one-game set against Paxton followed by a short series against bulldozer Stros team facing Verlander and Cole twice.
 

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Who? Mookie’s numbers are still sensational against lefties (and righties). That’s not it. BTW, this is a subject for the lineup thread, not here. Maybe I’ll bring it up over there sometime.
Mookie, JD, and Xander all missed time (Xander and Mookie missed more), and those are the three best hitters they have against lefties. With all three in the lineup more often, as opposed to their not as great at hitting lefties replacements, the numbers overall against lefties should get better, wouldn't you think?
 

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A guy to get at the deadline to really hurt the Red Sox: J.A. Happ. Red Sox have an OPS this year of .672 vs lefties, .813 vs righties. The other contending teams are all pretty much balanced in that regard. The usual suspects on the Sox have trouble with LHP (the LHHs), but also, surprisingly, JD Martinez. Nunez too. Hanley was .190 better OPS wise vs lefties this year, but he got canned. Some contender’s going after Happ, who has also pitched well over his career against the Red Sox.
 

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Mookie, JD, and Xander all missed time (Xander and Mookie missed more), and those are the three best hitters they have against lefties. With all three in the lineup more often, as opposed to their not as great at hitting lefties replacements, the numbers overall against lefties should get better, wouldn't you think?
To balance that though, guys that don’t hit lefties as well, Moreland and Beni, for example, have been kept out sometimes against them. That hasn’t done much good. Maybe in the postseason, they’re not platooned for, so they better find a way.
 

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Houston is an absolute juggernaut, now that their offense is clicking. NY is going to be great all year. Boston sure looks like they have both the hitting and the pitching to continue to play at a really high level. And Cleveland has a ton of talent and can get rolling too. Not to mention the Mariners, who appear to be every bit as good as their record indicates.

The postseason could feature five tremendous teams in the AL.
Well the Mariners are a tier below. Talent-wise, they are definitely not on the same level, and they are outplaying their win expectancy by a full seven games at the moment, thanks to an absurd record of 23-10 in one run games. Their farm system is still bankrupt, so I'm not sure how they make any key additions. Now that Houston is waking up, I think we can regard them as a strong WC game favorite, and a team that won't be easy to dispatch in a single game, especially if it happens out here in Seattle.
 

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Boston:
- Started 17-2 (.895). On pace for 145 wins.
- Since then they've gone 32-24 (.571). On pace for 93 wins.
- Overall 49-26 (.653). On pace for 106 wins.

New York:
- Started 9-9 (.500). On pace for 81 wins.
- Since then they've gone 40-13 (.755). On pace for 122 wins.
- Overall 49-22 (.690). On pace for 112 wins.

Houston:
- Started 10-7 (.588). On pace for 95 wins.
- Since then they've gone 40-19 (.678). On pace for 110 wins.
- Overall 50-26 (.658). On pace for 107 wins.

The Yanks have been playing .755 ball over a 53-game stretch. Basically a full third of the season. Holy crap. They really are going to win 110+ games, aren't they?
 

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They might be able to win 110. Or they might lose a few here and there when they finally have to go to the west coast, or finally play a full 10 game, 11 day road trip. Not to take anything away from them, they’re an excellent team that will probably win 100 games, but let’s see them deal with a little bit of the grind of a normal baseball season before we pencil them in for 110+. They play on the road a ton from here on out with a few make up games mixed in as well.
 

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They went 6-1 at Angels and Astros already. Their last west coast trip is in September.
They still have to play .700 ball in September to get to 110+ wins right? All I’m saying is playing at that level for an entire 162 game schedule is extremely difficult to do. Maybe New York is a historically great team team this year, maybe they are on an upswing in the normal ups and downs that even really good teams go through over the course of a long baseball season. We really don’t know yet. It’s still only June.
 

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The Yanks have been playing .755 ball over a 53-game stretch. Basically a full third of the season. Holy crap. They really are going to win 110+ games, aren't they?

They might be able to win 110. Or they might lose a few here and there when they finally have to go to the west coast, or finally play a full 10 game, 11 day road trip. Not to take anything away from them, they’re an excellent team that will probably win 100 games, but let’s see them deal with a little bit of the grind of a normal baseball season before we pencil them in for 110+. They play on the road a ton from here on out with a few make up games mixed in as well.
They just had to fly to DC in the middle of a homestand to play 1.5 games against one of the best teams in the NL on what was supposed to be an off day, then fly back and play three against Seattle. They also had an absolutely insane stretch earlier in the year where they played Boston, Cleveland, and Houston for 10 straight games. I don't think the schedule argument flies.
 

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They still have to play .700 ball in September to get to 110+ wins right? All I’m saying is playing at that level for an entire 162 game schedule is extremely difficult to do. Maybe New York is a historically great team team this year, maybe they are on an upswing in the normal ups and downs that even really good teams go through over the course of a long baseball season. We really don’t know yet. It’s still only June.
Yankees are also playing 3 games over their pythag. They are clearly a good team, but I agree historic (as in 110+ wins) is way premature. Lots of things can happen between now and October including trades, injuries, and plain ol' fashioned regression.
 

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They just had to fly to DC in the middle of a homestand to play 1.5 games against one of the best teams in the NL on what was supposed to be an off day, then fly back and play three against Seattle. They also had an absolutely insane stretch earlier in the year where they played Boston, Cleveland, and Houston for 10 straight games. I don't think the schedule argument flies.
Yes they are playing well right now, and have been for a couple of months. The Red Sox were as well until they went cold at the plate. It happens to even really good teams. I’m just sick of the overall attitude of thinking around New England that every time the Yankees go on a hot streak, that means they are never going to lose again, but when the Red Sox only play .500 ball for a couple of weeks it means that they really aren’t that good no matter what they did in the previous two months. It’s like people around here (I’m talking about the Boston area and not SOSH, however I feel like it’s creeping into this site as well) have never watched an entire baseball season.
 

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Can we get a title change on the thread - something more like "Sox / Stros / MFY records the rest of the way"
 

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Yankees are also playing 3 games over their pythag. They are clearly a good team, but I agree historic (as in 110+ wins) is way premature. Lots of things can happen between now and October including trades, injuries, and plain ol' fashioned regression.
Who do we expect to regress? I guess Andujar and Torres, but I think we can expect Stanton, Sanchez, Hicks and Gregorious to start hitting better soon to negate them.

They have an incredible lineup that seems to come through almost daily in the clutch.
 

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Who do we expect to regress? I guess Andujar and Torres, but I think we can expect Stanton, Sanchez, Hicks and Gregorious to start hitting better soon to negate them.

They have an incredible lineup that seems to come through almost daily in the clutch.
Comparing to Steamer projections, sorted by most PA so far this year, amount above/-below wRC+ projection:
  1. Judge +27
  2. Stanton -41
  3. Didi +19
  4. Gardner +2
  5. Sanchez -20
  6. Andujar +30
  7. Hicks +18
  8. Torres +57
  9. Walker -58
  10. Austin +12
  11. Romine +86
  12. Bird -20
  13. Torreyes +32
  14. Wade -97
Weighting by 2018 PA, that's only 5.8 points of RC+ ahead of projections. So I think that's a pretty good argument that they should be expected to maintain close to their current team performance on offense. Their team wRC+ is 117, so it would be reasonable to call for a regression to 112 for the rest of the season, but no less in my opinion. That would still put them comfortably in second place in the majors.
 

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Who do we expect to regress? I guess Andujar and Torres, but I think we can expect Stanton, Sanchez, Hicks and Gregorious to start hitting better soon to negate them.

They have an incredible lineup that seems to come through almost daily in the clutch.
I didn't necessarily mean regression from their lineup....but results. They've outperformed their pythag a bit, so that could regress (or it might not). We already knew they were a good team. But it usually takes a few extra breaks to win something like 110 games.