Tres Boeheims: the 2021 Syracuse Basketball Thread

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Worst Syracuse teams he’s ever coached, and I think he’s a big part of it. The entire sports program has gone downhill the past few years, yet haven’t heard of much pressure on Wildhack.
 

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Wonderful job by SU today. Up by 18 in the second half, they get absolutely embarrassed as they (1) can't get the ball inbounds, and (2) allow Miami to score like every single possession late, as the Hurricanes win by 3. SU was up 70-60 with 2:29 left. From there, Miami scored on seven straight possessions, while SU had a missed jumper, a couple of made free throws, three straight turnovers, and a couple more missed jumpers.

Totally fitting game for this season. I wanna puke.
 

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Good for him, he had his opportunity to coach his sons, now time to ride off into the sunset. He doesn't seem like the sort of person who would want a season-long celebration anyways.

Wildhack's job security must be tied to his connections at ESPN and the media world, because a lot of AD's would have been shitcanned for the Quentin Hillsman debacle alone.
 

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Yep good for Jim getting to live the dream of coaching his sons together. At the expense of the program but hey.

Time to let go now, Jim. You’ve done it all.
 

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Well, Buddy made first team all-ACC. And while I'm still disappointed that Jim Boeheim chose Girard over Kadary (hence Kadary transferred to Seton Hall), I am a little surprised Girard didn't make at least honorable mention all-ACC.

9th in the conference in assists
2nd in free throw percentage
7th in steals
7th in three pointers made

And Cole Swider could have made honorable mention too.

20th in scoring
13th in rebounding
1st in three point percentage
4th in three pointers made

But congrats to Buddy anyway.
 

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It's a shame that this last season has somewhat overshadowed or diminished what Buddy was able to accomplish in his career. Dude was like the 364th best player in his high school class and he ended up leading the ACC in scoring. He'll end up with the 13th most points in program history, sandwiched between Billy Owens and Rony Seikaly.
 

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Not a good look for Buddy. I suppose there might have been some history involved that we can't see, but without context, I wonder if they'll suspend him. I don't think it matters much - the team is not running the table to get into the tournament.
 

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There has to be more to that Buddy incident than meets the eye. He's never remotely been known as a dirty player. Doesn't mean that wasn't a dirty shot, because it was and probably should be disciplined for it. But there has to be more to the story than him just hitting the guy in the solar plexus like that.

But this was, from a basketball standpoint, an epic Syracuse win. Total blowout over a not-bad team. Won't matter as they'll get crushed by Duke (again), but still, nice to actually show up and not give away a big lead.
 

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There has to be more to that Buddy incident than meets the eye. He's never remotely been known as a dirty player. Doesn't mean that wasn't a dirty shot, because it was and probably should be disciplined for it. But there has to be more to the story than him just hitting the guy in the solar plexus like that.

But this was, from a basketball standpoint, an epic Syracuse win. Total blowout over a not-bad team. Won't matter as they'll get crushed by Duke (again), but still, nice to actually show up and not give away a big lead.
Seemed very odd that there was no response by the opposing player or coach, and apparently the two were hugging it out and yukking it up after the game. Makes me wonder if there'd been a running good-natured battle between the two of them, and he just hit him in the wrong place. Either way it's a bad look, and all the commentary by the national broadcasters will probably force the league to do something. Obviously a shame if that's the way Buddy's SU career ends.
 

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No Buddy. No Edwards. No Benny. So here's who they've got.

Torrence
Girard
Swider
Jimmy
Anselem
Sidibe
Ajak

Ajak might not even be able to play because he got hurt today. They may have six guys available, and two of them (Sidibe and Anselem) are foul machines.

Duke is probably going to do to SU what SU just did to Florida State.

Although I will say this: Torrence is pretty damned good and it's unfortunate that Boeheim doesn't play him much. Duke really pressures the ball and Torrence is the one guy who can handle that. So who knows....maybe Torrence instead of Buddy might actually help the offense click. Swider and Girard are both gonna have to shoot great tomorrow for them to not get blown out.
 

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Not quite up on the current rules, but wasn't 20-21 a "Free" year and Buddy can play yet another year, either at SU or somewhere else? He sure isn't drawing a paycheck for playing hoop, is he?

Unless he's getting another year at SU, believe this is Jimmy B's last roundup. Has to be.
 

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Not quite up on the current rules, but wasn't 20-21 a "Free" year and Buddy can play yet another year, either at SU or somewhere else? He sure isn't drawing a paycheck for playing hoop, is he?

Unless he's getting another year at SU, believe this is Jimmy B's last roundup. Has to be.
I remember hearing something about that, but everything I've seen recently (including an emotional Senior Day at the dome last Saturday) indicates that both Buddy and Jimmy Jr. are done. Jim Sr. has said that he'll coach next year, but has otherwise been coy. The one thing I'm unclear about is whether SU will be in the NIT barring a miracle run over the next few days.
 

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Buddy has indicated previously he is done, and I get it. He really peaked after last year and didn't help himself much if at all this year. No reason to think that would change if he stayed another. I'd say 5% chance he returns.

Jim Jr. probably in the same boat. I COULD see him working on his jumper and improving a little, but could just as easily see him regressing. Maybe 20% he returns.

What's interesting is Cole. He's indicated previously he was leaning towards leaving, but he really found something the last few games that leads me to wonder if he'd consider running it back. I'd give him a 40% shot to return. Still more likely to go, but def the most likely IMO

I think JB is back one more year.
 

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One would think any Power 5 school (and Big East too) .500 or better gets invited to the NIT, except for two things (1) When a low conference first place team loses its conference tournament and by rule must be invited; sometimes that decreases the number of bids available (2) the Power 5 team for whatever reason (usually a coaching change or a rash of injuries, which might fit SU's profile right now) doesn't want to go.
 

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Buddy has indicated previously he is done, and I get it. He really peaked after last year and didn't help himself much if at all this year. No reason to think that would change if he stayed another. I'd say 5% chance he returns.

Jim Jr. probably in the same boat. I COULD see him working on his jumper and improving a little, but could just as easily see him regressing. Maybe 20% he returns.

What's interesting is Cole. He's indicated previously he was leaning towards leaving, but he really found something the last few games that leads me to wonder if he'd consider running it back. I'd give him a 40% shot to return. Still more likely to go, but def the most likely IMO

I think JB is back one more year.
Re: Cole - likely to "go"....but go...WHERE? He's almost certainly not an NBA player, though I could be surprised. He is a very good shooter with decent size for a wing. But is his defense and athleticism NBA caliber? Probably not. Hard to see him in the NBA though maybe. More like Europe in some form. If I was him, I'd stick around one more year, become the alpha for SU, and maybe improve chances to play pro, plus pick up what for him might be a really helpful graduate degree.

But SU has a track record of guys leaving, so he'll probably go.
 

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Re: Cole - likely to "go"....but go...WHERE? He's almost certainly not an NBA player, though I could be surprised. He is a very good shooter with decent size for a wing. But is his defense and athleticism NBA caliber? Probably not. Hard to see him in the NBA though maybe. More like Europe in some form. If I was him, I'd stick around one more year, become the alpha for SU, and maybe improve chances to play pro, plus pick up what for him might be a really helpful graduate degree.

But SU has a track record of guys leaving, so he'll probably go.
I think that his chances of sticking are def higher than a couple weeks ago. Now that he has found something, to your point, he could be THE guy next year with a bunch of kids around him. But if he leaves...could either be overseas, or, honestly, could go the guerrier route and try to find one last year somewhere that doesnt make him spend 2/3 of practice trying to master the 2/3 zone. I dunno.

To your last point, I will continue to maintain the zone keeps a lot of recruits away, and then turns a lot off when they get here. Benny Williams would have been starting by mid year if not for the fact the zone is brutally hard for a true freshman to get right
 

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Boeheim said a few weeks that none of Jimmy, Buddy, or Cole were returning. I guess that could change but seems unlikely.

I don’t know much about Swider’s ambitions, but he turns 23 in May. I don’t think another year in college would help him much, nobody is drafting a 24 year old next year.
 

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Checking in to say that today….I am Orange!

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Syracuse played really well today. Duke didn't particularly deserve that win
Valiant effort for sure. Just seemed to run out of gas at the end.

If nothing else, these games made me a little more bullish on Torrence and Anselem. Hopefully Edwards can pick up where he left off; he was on track for a breakthrough season before the wrist injury.

I think the man-to-man we saw today is a harbinger of things to come. JB has said that their personnel should allow them to do more of that next season.
 

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It's amazing the way the last 6 or so years have really changed Syracuse's reputation as a post-season team. When I was growing up, they were the team that lost to Richmond in the NCAA tournament (first 2 seed to lose to a 15), the team that lost to Navy, etc. Now there are a couple dozen "Syracuse in March" memes. This thread is full of people -- including me! -- regularly griping about how much the program has slipped, but I feel like it has perversely raised some people's opinion of Boeheim as a coach. Nobody wants to draw Cuse in a bracket anywhere in March.
 

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I said Torrence can play. Dude should have seen a LOT more playing time, and the offense generally clicks better with him at the point. With Buddy gone, their backcourt next year will be what we saw today - Torrence and Girard. Not big, but capable. Girard is just so much better off the ball.

Anselem is definitely a legit player. Not much of a scorer, but he can defend and rebound. Edwards will be a force next year. Hopefully Benny comes back and is healthy and improved. They have a lot of holes, but they've got some decent players. But still, someone is going to have to really step up next year for this team to be good.
 

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It's amazing the way the last 6 or so years have really changed Syracuse's reputation as a post-season team. When I was growing up, they were the team that lost to Richmond in the NCAA tournament (first 2 seed to lose to a 15), the team that lost to Navy, etc. Now there are a couple dozen "Syracuse in March" memes. This thread is full of people -- including me! -- regularly griping about how much the program has slipped, but I feel like it has perversely raised some people's opinion of Boeheim as a coach. Nobody wants to draw Cuse in a bracket anywhere in March.
Agree 100%. Bilas yesterday talked about how, now that it's March, Syracuse is ramping up its play. I was like...ugh, where was that when I was there?
 

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