Trading Jon Lester (news and speculation thread)
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I'll pass on Marte for Lester straight up. If he's in the package then great but it doesn't solve Boston's need for a young power bat.MakMan44 said:
MakMan44 said:
Just sayin'. Yes, I know the difference between the leagues isn't that big, but still.
I suppose as return for a two-month rental he's realistically not bad. But it seems to me like the "team-friendly deal" will be cold comfort when we're watching him rack up .250/.300/.380 lines with average LF defense.
RedOctober3829 said:
I'd do Bundy+ for Lester in a Massachusetts minute, and I'm not sure I'd care that much who the other guys were (though I'd pretend to just to see how much I could get B'more to send over).
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Josh Norris @jnorris427 19m
“@danconnollysun: Dylan Bundy's final line for Frederick: 4 1/3IP, 5H, 2ER, 5BB, 1K.” //88-93 T94 FB
If a 25 YO coming off a nearly 5 win season on a team friendly deal doesn't do it for you, for 2 MONTHS of Lester, I don't know what to tell you.Tyrone Biggums said:
Yeah, no, I understand. I think he's going to better than that, by a fair margin, but I can understand the hesitant if you don't think that.Savin Hillbilly said:
MakMan44 said:
It's also possible that he made an adjustment after 47 games in 2012 and the league has since adjusted in return. It could also be a result of his .363 BABIP. What's frightening this year is that despite his lack of production, he has a .350 BABIP. In fact, the only peripheral that stands out to me is his GB/FB. In 2013 it was 1.85. This in 2012 it was 2.32 and this year it is 2.04. With all else being roughly equal, it makes sense for his BABIP to drop a little with that shift toward more ground balls, so the question is, can he maintain a ~.350 BABIP going forward to keep his bat somewhere near league average? I'm not willing to bet on that.
It's also worth noting that even if he doesn't regress from where he is now, a low OBP hitter doesn't fit in with the organizational philosophy that was so successful last year.
And Roger Clemens and Mo Vaughn aside, Duquette was happy to spend as much as the owner let him spend. Trade Lester to the O's and we could be seeing him 4-5 times per year.dcmissle said:
Montana Fan said:
Or don't trade Lester to the O's and we could still be seeing him 4-5 times per year.
Well said.HriniakPosterChild said:
Get the best package possible and hope like hell you can re-sign him or he signs in the NL.
Well he's always been a high BABIP player. His trial in 2012 was his lowest BABIP at any level, and even that was .333.Snodgrass'Muff said:
He's been productive for the last few months though, he put up a 121 wRC+ in both May and June and still had a 107 wRC+ this month (in limited PAs). I know you're not a huge fan of Marte, we've had this conversation before, and I don't disagree he doesn't fit the philosophy so maybe that's why they don't pull the trigger but I personally think he'd be a hell of a return for Lester +.
The great part about this is Ben can really zero in on a package he likes and can always say at the end, look what if I add one of the best LH relievers in the game?
I've watched Bundy for pretty much his whole career in high A, which is what Frederick is. From what I have seen he is ridiculously inconsistent, which could be considered par for the course for a young pitcher; however for someone who is as supposedly as much as a sure thing as Bundy he has been a minor league Felix Dubront. I don't get the hype. He is not that good.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
What's interesting is that his OBP hasn't been as bad as you'd expect for a guy with little power and a 5:1 K/BB ratio, and while the BABIP is part of that, the other part is his insane HBP rate: 38 in 1096 PA. He has actually gotten hit more than half as often as he has walked. Whether that's sustainable as a tactic is an interesting question; whether it's sustainable in terms of keeping him on the field is a whole 'nother question.
Rudy Pemberton said:
I think that depends somewhat on how quickly JBJ improves. And even if true it may say more about the state of our OF than it does about Marte. But basically, yeah.
I suppose I'd take him for Lester straight up too. But I wouldn't like it.
“@bradfo: Per source, looks like Orioles out of mix for Lester”
https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/494303105140686848
https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/494303105140686848
I kind of agree. Their rotation is pretty bad, and Lester is an excellent fit to solve that. It also prevents the Blue Jays (who are very much in the same boat) from acquiring Lester. That being said, Gausman can probably help them right now and Bundy probably can down the line. It's a tough call.Curll said:
Per speir on twitter corresponding roster move "sometime tomorrow".
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https://twitter.com/gordonedes/status/494307500166881281
No Lester tomorrow.
Announcing this tonight means the deal is close. IMHO
No Lester tomorrow.
Announcing this tonight means the deal is close. IMHO
“@bradfo: FWIW, one GM just said it was looking like Lester deal would be done tonight or tomm. morning”
https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/494307864971059200
https://twitter.com/bradfo/status/494307864971059200
Really, if they're actively discussing him in deals there is no way he was going tomorrow even if a deal isn't really close--can't risk him getting hurt, etc.
It's sad it's gotten to this point. Ownership can't pony up to keep someone the team sorely needs and will have to replace if they want to be competitive next year.
We've been talking about Lester's departure for awhile, and we all expected it.
But man, hearing Farrell actually announce that Workman's starting tomorrow still hits you like a ton of bricks. The reality that Jon Lester's Red Sox career is over is a sad one.
And spare me the "He could still re-sign with Boston this winter!1!!1" crap. That concept is pure fantasy.
He's gone, baby, gone.
But man, hearing Farrell actually announce that Workman's starting tomorrow still hits you like a ton of bricks. The reality that Jon Lester's Red Sox career is over is a sad one.
And spare me the "He could still re-sign with Boston this winter!1!!1" crap. That concept is pure fantasy.
He's gone, baby, gone.
I remember seeing a tweet maybe 2 weeks ago that Huntington was at Fenway on a weekday meeting with Cherington. Wonder if they have been pecking at this for awhile.
Damn, this is depressing. Someone cheer me up please. Maybe we could start the "thank you Jon Lester" thread now.
I couldn't agree more. I'm beginning to wonder if ownership is starting to believe their own bullshit about being smarter than everyone else.
Agreed, but announcing it now instead of tomorrow at 5pm means they are close and/or putting the final squeeze on someone. Big risk from Ben to push unless close.JohntheBaptist said:
This is much different than Ellsbury. Plugging in a CF is easier than plugging in a 200 ip ace. Why should a big market team get used to their best players walking out the door because they want market value deals?BigSoxFan said:
Ellsbury was always gone for the biggest check though. Lester would've taken a Homer Bailey deal and Lucchino had to be a dick. I've been fine letting just about everyone walk, but this makes no sense. Master son is not taking over Lester's spot.BigSoxFan said:
The same players that won the World Series in 2013 have shit the bed in 2014. You blame that on the owners and want people to stay away in droves? That's not going to happen.
Sure, but why announce it now? Unless he wants his potential trade partner to think it is done deal somewhere else.NDame616 said:
Rudy Pemberton said:
If they had only won a title in 2013, you might have a point, but 2004 and 2007 say hi.
This front office has proven to be one of the best in the sport. Things went to shit this year and it sucks, but it's not go overboard with the criticism.
Yep. And it really starts boiling the anger towards ownership and management for letting it come to this. A gross mishandling from everyone involved and the team will be worse off for 2015 no matter what they get in return for him.mabrowndog said:
Scherzer or bust now. I think it's going to be hard for ownership to live down the PR backlash from his unless they spend big in the offseason now.
Yup. Pretty surreal, would have bet heavily six months ago that something would get done. He will always be a great Red Sox no matter where his career goes from here. Hope the prospects the Sox get back are great and lead to titles, but also hope the front office loses this bet, Lester's return to near-elite this year is real, and he wins a ton of games for another decade.mabrowndog said:
Everyone in the league knows the Sox have painted themselves into corner and need to deal Lester. The price may be going down as we speak. I expect to be underwhelmed by the eventual haul.
Yeah they want to "protect their asset" by not starting tomorrow. They also don't want to let fans send him off and vent their outrage at the cheap SOBs that own the team while soaking the fan base for every damn dime they can.
Yeah they want to "protect their asset" by not starting tomorrow. They also don't want to let fans send him off and vent their outrage at the cheap SOBs that own the team while soaking the fan base for every damn dime they can.
Gordon Edes @GordonEdes Follow
MLB source on Lester: No deal yet. He could still pitch Friday for Red Sox against Yankees
https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/494313812669902849
MLB source on Lester: No deal yet. He could still pitch Friday for Red Sox against Yankees
https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/494313812669902849
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