Trade Deadline Poll

Will Bloom..... Bonus points if you guess the player(s) that arrive/leave

  • no deals. stands pat.

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • gets another starter.

    Votes: 36 15.5%
  • bullpen arm.

    Votes: 113 48.5%
  • first baseman.

    Votes: 194 83.3%
  • other

    Votes: 8 3.4%

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RobertsSteal

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Rizzo, for a top 15 plus a top 25 prospect, to add another lefty stick and shore up 1B defense.
Some relatively fungible arm that Chaim sprinkles his Tampa pixie dust on (a la Phillips Valdez) for a top 30 prospect.
 

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What will happen before the evening of the 31st?
Note this year's trade deadline is Friday, July 30.

Major League Baseball preferred to have the 4pm ET deadline fall on a day where afternoon games aren’t scheduled to take place, so as to avoid scenarios where players head out to the field as the hours until the deadline dwindle. Doing so eliminates some injury risk and uncomfortable scenarios where a player could be injured during play as a trade surrounding him is completed.
Chaim has been crystal clear telegraphing that he's not sacrificing the long term to benefit the short term, even if this year's team has been consistently playing above its projections, which he may not have been planning for. It's also interesting that he has talked about acquisitions that could double-down on areas of strength (presumably bullpen) rather than areas of perceived need (like 1B). For me, even with Sale and others on their way back, you can't simply stand pat on this team. You have to reward what they've done with reinforcements, even if it's doubling down on areas of strength.
 

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Chaim moves some upper-level positional prospects, that potentially create a 40-man issue this winter, for a relief pitcher & good glove LHH first baseman.

At first blush, they won't be the sexiest moves, but they will help them win the AL East.

Workman's days in Boston feel numbered.

I'm a very casual Sox fan these days, so you should expect none of this to happen.

#Chaim4GOAT
 

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A bullpen arm + a 1B is what I’d like. A shame Dalbec doesn’t seem to want to put the bat on the ball very often.
 

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Chaim’s been really quiet. I think the Erod situation requires a starter in addition to a 1B.

I think they find both in Miami.
 

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I have no special insight, obviously, but I think we could see some big moves.

I would not expect Casas, Duran, Houck or Bello to be moved, but for the first time in a while, we now have a ton of brush to clear in the 5-35 range: guys who are not necessarily central to our plans, but would actually have moderate trade value in a package. Lots of teams would like to get their hands on Brainer Bonaci or Brandon Howlett or Aldo Ramirez. We also have some post-prospects like Chavis, Marcus Wilson, and perhaps even Franchy Cordero who have shown enough in Worcester to maintain a little value, and guys like Rosario, Ward, Feltman and Arauz who will need rostering. We probably can't keep 100% of the SP depth Bloom has built, also: one or two of those guys should go in trade.

We were under the CBT last year. So I think we have the combination of resources and needs that make a flurry of trades likely.

My guesses are precisely as valuable as anyone's fake internet trades, but in the spirit of the thread, here they are:
  • The Cubs deals seem uninspired to me, and I am especially bearish on Rizzo. I don't think he's worth what Chicago would need to demand to let him go. It's just been awhile since he's been a good hitter for a corner bat. So I would pass, unless the price is much lower than I've been assuming.
  • If we're taking on an expensive 1B with an OPS that starts with a 7, I actually think there is potential for a big, weird three-team deal with San Diego. Eric Hosmer has basically the same line as Rizzo since the beginning of 2020 (Rizzo 2020-21 OPS+ 109; Hosmer 111). Rizzo has had a better career and looks better in comparison if you rope in more of his good seasons, but it's been a minute since he's really been a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat. We could take on Hosmer's contract — hell, a 1 WAR first baseman with a 100 OPS+ is a considerable upgrade for us — in order to get a big prospect (CJ Abrams?) whom we flip elsewhere — Miami? Arizona? Are Cincinnati sellers? — for a controllable SP. If we could flex some financial muscle and send out, say, Dalbec, Downs, one of our current starters, and a few lower-tier guys and end up with an expensive, mediocre veteran 1B and LUIS freaking CASTILLO (or equivalent), that could really help in the short and long-term. Hosmer's deal isn't so big that we couldn't afford to eat it when Casas is ready. Such a deal isn't especially likely, obviously: I'm just saying I see potential there for a win/win/win if San Diego needs to shed money.
  • I think we will pick up a bullpen arm to upgrade Workman's bullpen spot with a legitimate late-inning arm. I predict *spins wheel* Gregory Soto, from the Tigers. He's pretty good, but is pre-arb and so would be somewhat costly. But I think the Tigers would accept a reasonable prospect package made up mostly of guys we wouldn't be protecting in the Rule 5. Detroit has a bunch of good prospects, but they are almost all young enough to not require rostering for a while. If we sent over a deal headlined by, say, Mata or Winckowski and with a few of the Potts/Rosario types, that could thicken up their system nicely. (This is also a reason that we would match up well for a Schoop trade.)
 

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What's the ERod situation though? Sounds like it was likely nothing....
I’m risk adverse when it comes to playoff starter health and am speculating. I know people who have had fatigue and vagueness last for months and months after COVID.
 

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I also think we’ll get a big fish, either Buxton, Scherzer, Marquez, Alcantara, Ketel Marte or Jose Ramirez. Castillo (per nvalvo’s idea above) is a good one too, but I figure the Reds still think they’re in it.

My spirited and admittedly wishcasty guess is we’ll get Byron Buxton and Michael Pineda from the Twins for Downs, Potts, Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, and Sandy Alcantara, Jesús Aguilar, and Richard Bleier from the Marlins for Duran, Dalbec and Chavis.
 

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First base and a bullpen arm. I’m gonna go ahead and guess Aguilar and Richard Bleier from Miami. Both are controllable for 2022 and, as others have noted, Aguilar could be a DH candidate if JD moves on. Bleier doesn’t strike guys out but I think this pen could use his .5/9 walk rate. Granted, we already have two lefties but Hernandez scares the shit out of me.

If Bloom opts for a righty option, my at a glance assessment of the Marlins shows Dylan Floro or John Curtiss as potential adds.
 

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I also think we’ll get a big fish, either Buxton, Scherzer, Marquez, Alcantara, Ketel Marte or Jose Ramirez. Castillo (per nvalvo’s idea above) is a good one too, but I figure the Reds still think they’re in it.

My spirited and admittedly wishcasty guess is we’ll get Byron Buxton and Michael Pineda from the Twins for Downs, Potts, Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, and Sandy Alcantara, Jesús Aguilar, and Richard Bleier from the Marlins for Duran, Dalbec and Chavis.
I'm, as mentioned many-a-times before, not hugely optimistic about Duran and suspect his value is peaking right now. Obviously no way to prove it and I'm not letting a ridiculously small SSS after his recent call-up affect my feelings- I'm bullish on Jiminez and have held that he offers better long term value as a CF. There was a chance after '18 that we could have dealt Benintendi for Christian Yellich straight up ... hope to not make a similar mistake with Duran.
 

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I'm, as mentioned many-a-times before, not hugely optimistic about Duran and suspect his value is peaking right now. Obviously no way to prove it and I'm not letting a ridiculously small SSS after his recent call-up affect my feelings- I'm bullish on Jiminez and have held that he offers better long term value as a CF. There was a chance after '18 that we could have dealt Benintendi for Christian Yellich straight up ... hope to not make a similar mistake with Duran.
I won’t pretend to know our minor league system as well as some other folks but if Duran could fetch a big fish (no Marlins pun intended) then I’d definitely be open to selling high if we have someone else behind him at the same spot in the pipeline.
 

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1B CJ Cron from Colorado for a pair of prospects.

One ~top 25 level the other a flyer. Won't take a lot, he's on a 1 year deal and there isnt a huge market for 1B out there

I see Bloom being very strategic. A deal like this helps address a real issue for the short term without significantly damaging the long term plans.

I think that he is going to argue that a September rotation of Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck is good enough (and he may be right).

Bullpen possible too though, but gut says he rolls with what they have there.
 

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There’s a difference between what I want/ think the Sox should do and what Chaim ultimately will do. I Voted for a 1Bman and relief arm, which shouldn’t be too expensive, but think we’re going to need a starter, but I don’t see that being as easy to pull off.

I get the fascination with Buxton, but I don’t see rearranging the roster to fit his IL time in the roster during the stretch run. If you’re going to send a lot of talent the Twins way, get Berríos.
 

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1B CJ Cron from Colorado for a pair of prospects.

One ~top 25 level the other a flyer. Won't take a lot, he's on a 1 year deal and there isnt a huge market for 1B out there

I see Bloom being very strategic. A deal like this helps address a real issue for the short term without significantly damaging the long term plans.

I think that he is going to argue that a September rotation of Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck is good enough (and he may be right).

Bullpen possible too though, but gut says he rolls with what they have there.
Given the coming roster crunch, I'd be pretty surprised if Bloom is that quiet at the deadline. We're about to lose a lot of value for nothing unless we we can transmute it into something else now.
 

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I'm hoping for a quality starter with Perez and Richards (assuming they're still with the team) pushed to the bullpen - which no longer houses Workman or Rios.
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If the Rays with Cruz and Scherzer get really scary. But no way they can afford Scherzer salary wise, right?
This is the what drives me nuts this time of year. We can't compare the Red Sox current needs to the current competition because the competition is likely to vastly improve. We normally didn't have to worry about the Rays in this scenario, but now even they are out to scare us.

It'll be interesting to see what the Astros, Yankees, White Sox, Blue Jays, Mariners and...yes...the Tampa's do to improve their odds.

The Red Sox are a good team and they're a virtual lock for the playoffs. How much is it worth to try to improve the playoff roster...

Perhaps marginal upgrades are the correct approach. Let the other guys go nuts.

{Edit: The Red Sox have 26 of 58 post-deadline games remaining against that competition...almost half.}
 

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I'm hoping for a quality starter with Perez and Richards (assuming they're still with the team) pushed to the bullpen - which no longer houses Workman or Rios.

This is the what drives me nuts this time of year. We can't compare the Red Sox current needs to the current competition because the competition is likely to vastly improve. We normally didn't have to worry about the Rays in this scenario, but now even they are out to scare us.

It'll be interesting to see what the Astros, Yankees, White Sox, Blue Jays, Mariners and...yes...the Tampa's do to improve their odds.

The Red Sox are a good team and they're a virtual lock for the playoffs. How much is it worth to try to improve the playoff roster...

Perhaps marginal upgrades are the correct approach. Let the other guys go nuts.

{Edit: The Red Sox have 26 of 58 post-deadline games remaining against that competition...almost half.}
Yeah. I don't want to spend what it will take to get Scherzer but I also really don't want Tampa getting him
 

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Freeman for Casas, Chavis and 2 pitching prospects, one highly rated, one lottery pick
 

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I went with Other as much as I'd like to be wrong.

The Sox Farm system, while a lot better than it was, is still of collection of guys that won't get traded vs. guys that could get traded. The biggest problem is that I can't really see another team give up anyone valuable for what Chaim is willing to part with. There are a lot better evaluators of the farm on this site than I so I can't really speak to the guys at the lower levels that might be real coups for another organization. But , unless there are some gems in A ball, I can't see that as adding up to competing with Tampa Bay for an arm or being able to separate Rizzo from the Cubs for what Chaim would put on the table.

I want to be wrong, but I'm not at all optimistic that a quality arm is coming from outside the organization. I think the best that we can hope for is Chris Sale to come back and perform at 80 - 90% of what he was before TJ surgery.
 

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I'm not sure what to expect. Chaim has never traded up before, he's only dealt players for prospects, or shuffled them around. His FA signings have all been quasi under the radar, with some good evaluations, and some poor ones. He's active on the waiver wire and Rule 5. But for every Whitlock there's a Robert Stock.
 

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I also think we’ll get a big fish, either Buxton, Scherzer, Marquez, Alcantara, Ketel Marte or Jose Ramirez. Castillo (per nvalvo’s idea above) is a good one too, but I figure the Reds still think they’re in it.

My spirited and admittedly wishcasty guess is we’ll get Byron Buxton and Michael Pineda from the Twins for Downs, Potts, Lugo and Aldo Ramirez, and Sandy Alcantara, Jesús Aguilar, and Richard Bleier from the Marlins for Duran, Dalbec and Chavis.
I will say this is from a local twins location. Pineda just sucks. Just plan sucks. Buxton is made of glass, but yea when he's hot he's hot. He also is requiring an extention if not a full contract from the twins. Neither of those is going to happen for the twins at what he expects. If you traded for Pineda for even one of those prospects you would be a fool.
 

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Changing my vote to "no deals".
I think Bloom is not comfortable with any of the deals being discussed. While I do think the Sox really need to bring in an improvement at 1B, I think the Cubs are asking too much for Rizzo and/or Kimbrell. Cron is injured. Nats are asking too much for Scherzer, etc...
While I think this season has turned into a GFIN year... if the other teams are demanding too much for anyone... it doesn't make sense to risk long term for short term. I'm still comfortable with the team as presently constructed to go head to head with any other team in the league. Houck and Sale and Duran as "additions" will be just as good as any other team's additions.
 

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Changing my vote to "no deals".
I think Bloom is not comfortable with any of the deals being discussed. While I do think the Sox really need to bring in an improvement at 1B, I think the Cubs are asking too much for Rizzo and/or Kimbrell. Cron is injured. Nats are asking too much for Scherzer, etc...
While I think this season has turned into a GFIN year... if the other teams are demanding too much for anyone... it doesn't make sense to risk long term for short term. I'm still comfortable with the team as presently constructed to go head to head with any other team in the league. Houck and Sale and Duran as "additions" will be just as good as any other team's additions.
But might that ask come down as the clock ticks and The Cubs risk getting nothing?
 

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Changing my vote to "no deals".
I think Bloom is not comfortable with any of the deals being discussed. While I do think the Sox really need to bring in an improvement at 1B, I think the Cubs are asking too much for Rizzo and/or Kimbrell. Cron is injured. Nats are asking too much for Scherzer, etc...
While I think this season has turned into a GFIN year... if the other teams are demanding too much for anyone... it doesn't make sense to risk long term for short term. I'm still comfortable with the team as presently constructed to go head to head with any other team in the league. Houck and Sale and Duran as "additions" will be just as good as any other team's additions.
I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.
 

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I’m a fit of optimism I changed my vote to also add a SP. Sellers are posturing about having to get top prospects for rentals, but very few of the deals have indicated crazy deals for prospects going the other way. The Sox system is ranked where it is because of broad depth, not a concentration of high end talent, which is safe to deal from. I trust Chaim to properly evaluate the talent involved, and ownership seems primed to back a run.
 

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I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.
Agreed. The lowest-hanging fruit is an average-ish 1b to lengthen the lineup. A middling prospect is totally worth that in a year where the post-season is in their sights.
 

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I still think he adds a 1B but I’ve alway felt it was more likely to be a league-average one than a stud like Rizzo, because of the point you bring up: acquisition cost. Just getting average production out of that position would represent a massive upgrade and really improve the overall lineup. A masher there would be fantastic, of course, but I don’t know that it’s a necessity.
Rizzo is not a stud anymore, which is why he makes sense. With the lack of demand for 1B in the market, his cost shouldn't be crazy high in the end. Rep only costs so much. Not a heck of a lot of difference between him and Cron right now. Either is fine by me.
 
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BringBackMo

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Rizzo is not a stud anymore, which is why he makes sense. With the lack of demand at for 1B in the market, his cost shouldn't be crazy high in the end. Rep only costs so much. Not a heck of a lot of difference between him and Cron right now. Either is fine by me.
A quick look at Baseball Reference tells me that you are correct. I hadn’t realized that he’d declined over the past couple of seasons. Let’s hope that either the Cubs are indeed posturing and will come down in the asking price, or that other clubs will be looking for less for a good-ish 1B.
 

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Based on the rumblings, it seems Chaim
is more focused on a starter than a bullpen guy. I think if you get Sale back in the rotation, and another starter, those guys plus Eovaldi and Erod should be the postseason rotation. I think Pivetta and Richards are better candidates for the bullpen than Perez, so he might remain the fifth starter/long man for the postseason. I think of those three, Pivetta’s stuff will play up in the bullpen better, and he could end up being the additional bullpen ace by default. If Sale has a setback, he and Pivetta switch spots.

So a starter (dare to dream on Berrios or Scherzer), and one of Rizzo/Bryant/Cron. I’d be good with that.
 
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