Trade Deadline 2014
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But is St. Louis considered 'hated' by NYR fans? Or has Boomer retracted that part?BoSoxFink said:
All valid points, but everyone is peppering names at Boomer on twitter and he is saying "no" to every name and he has not said "no" to MSL and he has been asked about him constantly.
So apparently the rumor is for MSL, but the Post is shooting it down.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/no-traction-on-st-louis-rangers-plan-to-deal-callahan-sources/
http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/no-traction-on-st-louis-rangers-plan-to-deal-callahan-sources/
Rumor was/is that MSL requested a trade when Yzerman initially left him off team Canada.
I don't know about how much credence there is, as he's got the NMC, has always been a leader on and off the ice in Tampa, and is in his 13th year with the team IIRC. Stranger things have happened though - there'd have to be a lot going from NYR in addition to Callahan IMO.
I don't know about how much credence there is, as he's got the NMC, has always been a leader on and off the ice in Tampa, and is in his 13th year with the team IIRC. Stranger things have happened though - there'd have to be a lot going from NYR in addition to Callahan IMO.
Does anyone hate MSL? Why would you? Show me a hockey fan who hates that guy and I'll show you a moron. I can't think of a single reason to even dislike him slightly.
Louie (4.25M/YR, through 15-16) + what = MSL (6.25M/yr through 14-15)? I believe we have the cap room w/o any other NHL players because of Seids going on LTIR.
I know what is probably at least a prospect and a first or second, but I'm not too sure what the relative prospect value is currently.
I know what is probably at least a prospect and a first or second, but I'm not too sure what the relative prospect value is currently.
AMcGhie said:
I like MSL, but honestly I wouldn't make that trade straight up. Louis might be slightly worse, but he is a darn good player at a significantly lower price. And I know that much like everyone who comes to Boston, MSL numbers would drop fairly significantly in this team system here, where he would play 5 minutes less a night, and have to share PP time atc. Suddenly we'd be whining because MSL scores 21, while Louis scores 30 in Tampa
Eh, I like Marty and all, but I wouldn't do that. Small upgrade in the present, and hurts the Bruins long-term. They don't need another forward.AMcGhie said:
locknload said:
Yea, it's like hating Teemu Selanne or Nick Lidstrom or Ray Bourque. I hated the Bruins growing up and I liked Bourque...that's the sense I get about the general hockey fan's opinion of MSL.
I'm gonna go with Boomer is a moron and knows shit about hockey.
McKenzie on the MSL rumors.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444586
The Cliff Notes version is that following the original Team Canada snub, Marty told the Bolts he'd "look favorably" at a trade. Apparently Marty owns a home in Connecticut near NYC, and the Rangers would be the team he'd waive an NMC for. So that's how that all got connected. It's sort of a mystery as to where things stand right now. Everyone has been silent. Nobody knows if Marty is still pissed about the snub or if he backed off some now after being a part of Team Canada. The Rangers and Bolts chatted, but McKenzie doesn't really see a fit. He doesn't think the Rangers want to deal draft picks/prospects for St. Louis and he doesn't think Tampa wants to blow up a team that's currently contending in the East.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444586
The Cliff Notes version is that following the original Team Canada snub, Marty told the Bolts he'd "look favorably" at a trade. Apparently Marty owns a home in Connecticut near NYC, and the Rangers would be the team he'd waive an NMC for. So that's how that all got connected. It's sort of a mystery as to where things stand right now. Everyone has been silent. Nobody knows if Marty is still pissed about the snub or if he backed off some now after being a part of Team Canada. The Rangers and Bolts chatted, but McKenzie doesn't really see a fit. He doesn't think the Rangers want to deal draft picks/prospects for St. Louis and he doesn't think Tampa wants to blow up a team that's currently contending in the East.
My initial thought is the if MSL asked out over that then he's a bit of a whiny bitch, but considering the guy was snubbed and written off along the way to becoming the star he is I can kind of understand it. I wonder if it wasn't more of a heat-of-the-moment type of reaction where he said something like "well if that's how you feel about me then fine, trade me...I'll waive for NY" but then it blew over, he made it anyway, and they're fine.
The Rags should offer Nash for MSL+ since Yzerman likes Nash better...
Orpik was actually better than I thought, but yes. The sense I got from their roster construction was that they felt offense wouldn't be an issue but they wanted to be able to lock it down defensively, hence the exclusion of Yandle (and Ryan). Probably a miscalculation considering they got shut out in the final 2 games.
The Rags should offer Nash for MSL+ since Yzerman likes Nash better...
ajml said:
Orpik was actually better than I thought, but yes. The sense I got from their roster construction was that they felt offense wouldn't be an issue but they wanted to be able to lock it down defensively, hence the exclusion of Yandle (and Ryan). Probably a miscalculation considering they got shut out in the final 2 games.
MoGator71 said:
I think he means that they were selected (demanded?) by their NHL head coach because said Head Coach was worried leaving them off would result in them being pissy and/or demanding a trade.
Or, maybe I'm misreading it too.
O yea that's what I thought too, and I wouldn't be shocked if that was part of it. But Orpik's selection to me was kind of a surprise, I wonder how upset he'd actually have been if he wasn't picked. MSL could look at that roster and objectively say "I'm better than this guy and this guy, and still my own GM didn't want me".soxfan121 said:
Yeah I meant they were selected by their coach as more of a loyalty move. Those selections were basically toss-ups so I could see the difference being the NHL team they play for. Really though I wouldn't argue that picking Orpik/Martin was a bad move but it did seem to hurt them from an offensive standpoint. I would have liked to see one of Johnson or Yandle just for PP purposes. Obviously it's a lot easier in hindsight.
At 38, this Marty is having a fantastic year. He's signed for a reasonable 5.25M through next season - I'd have no problem with the B's making a run for him. I think he can play another 4 years at a high level ALA Recchi.
Not sure what it would take, but I'm guessing not as much as we think given he's 38, is demanding a trade and only has one more year left on his contract.
Edit: Correction he's signed for 5.625. Still reasonable.
Not sure what it would take, but I'm guessing not as much as we think given he's 38, is demanding a trade and only has one more year left on his contract.
Edit: Correction he's signed for 5.625. Still reasonable.
While I love St. Louis, I would rather the Bruins focus their resources on getting a top 4 D-man.
Do they have any reason to trade him this year outside of the obvious player unhappiness? Unless they completely collapse, the Lightning are gonna make the playoffs. Plus they're getting Stamkos back relatively soon.
BoSoxFink said:
According to wikipedia, his wife is from Greenwich and that's where the family lives in the offseason.
Also, it seems St. Louis and Brad Richards are pretty good friends. Obviously they won the Cup together in 2004, but it seems they remain friends:
Finally, I'd say the Rangers have at least as good a shot as the Lightning of making the playoffs.
@DarrenDreger: Teams may continue to call TBay on St Louis, but, as of now, Lightning are telling teams St Louis is locked on the New York Rangers. #tsn
He was a candidate after last season because he wasn't producing. He is doing fairly well this year.BoSoxFink said:
I hate the Canucks but he's another guy who would fit in well with this Bruins team. However as I stated earlier, I still would like the Bruins to focus on D
St. Louis demanding a trade to a specific team is just odd. It seems more like a European soccer player move than what we usually see in North American sports. And he's all but abandoning a playoff team with one of the best players in the world rejoining them soon.
Throw in the fact that he's won multiple Lady Bing trophies and is supposed to be so classy, I am baffled by this whole thing.
Throw in the fact that he's won multiple Lady Bing trophies and is supposed to be so classy, I am baffled by this whole thing.
I guess you don't remember Carmelo Anthony's charade getting traded to the Knicks then.SidelineCameras said:
Kesler to the Bruins is quite a longshot, but if they pulled it off without giving up anything from the NHL roster, they would have the deepest (not necessarily overall best) group of forwards I can remember, at least in the past 10 years. And I mean in the NHL, not on the Bruins
Marshmont/Bergeron/Smith
Lucic/Krejci/Iggy
Soderberg/Kesler/Eriksson
Paille/Kelly/Campbell
Their 2-3-4 lines would be better than a lot of 1-2-3 lines in the NHL right now. What would the price be on Kesler right now? He's an elite player when healthy but he's constantly battling injuries and hasn't been close to that level since 2010-2011. Signed for this year and 2 more at 5 mil/yr. He's the type of guy I'd think about mortgaging the farm for. Seems like much better value than any of the potential D upgrades
Marshmont/Bergeron/Smith
Lucic/Krejci/Iggy
Soderberg/Kesler/Eriksson
Paille/Kelly/Campbell
Their 2-3-4 lines would be better than a lot of 1-2-3 lines in the NHL right now. What would the price be on Kesler right now? He's an elite player when healthy but he's constantly battling injuries and hasn't been close to that level since 2010-2011. Signed for this year and 2 more at 5 mil/yr. He's the type of guy I'd think about mortgaging the farm for. Seems like much better value than any of the potential D upgrades
veritas said:
They'd certainly be in the conversation, but I don't think it's so open and shut. Chicago in both 2010 and 2013 come to mind. Both teams had a core of Toews, Kane, Sharp, and Hossa. That's four truly elite forwards. Both Blackhawks teams also had some real tough depth to play against. I guess that's not a huge surprise considering both teams won the Cup.
Chicago 2010: Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Bolland, Ladd, Brouwer, Versteeg, Byfuglien, Kopecky, Madden, Burish
Chicago 2013: Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Bolland, Saad, Bickell, Stalberg, Shaw, Kruger, Frolik, Handzus
Yeah, those Chicago teams were stacked at the top end.
I wonder if Toronto will make a run at Kesler given how well he and Kessel played together in the Olympics? That is, if he really is available for trade.
I wonder if Toronto will make a run at Kesler given how well he and Kessel played together in the Olympics? That is, if he really is available for trade.
We'd have to trade something off of the active roster in order to get Kesler. He makes $5M and Vancouver would want to replace his production. If the Bruins could get away with a package centered around Spooner, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Adding Kesler to that 3rd line would be :fap:
Thoughts on these guys?
Zidlicky - NJ isn't going anywhere and he's a FA at the end of the season. At 37, he could come very cheap and is having a pretty decent season on a crappy NJ team.
Old friend Derek Morris - FA at the end of the year and PHX is, well, PHX. Could also come very cheap although not sure if he's an upgrade on any of the guys we have, but would bring experience. Making 2.75M this season.
Gonchar - DAL is mediocre and not sure if Gonchar would approve a trade, but could be a decent rental.
There's really not much out there for Defenseman that would be an upgrade that would could also possibly be available.
Zidlicky - NJ isn't going anywhere and he's a FA at the end of the season. At 37, he could come very cheap and is having a pretty decent season on a crappy NJ team.
Old friend Derek Morris - FA at the end of the year and PHX is, well, PHX. Could also come very cheap although not sure if he's an upgrade on any of the guys we have, but would bring experience. Making 2.75M this season.
Gonchar - DAL is mediocre and not sure if Gonchar would approve a trade, but could be a decent rental.
There's really not much out there for Defenseman that would be an upgrade that would could also possibly be available.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
Kessel and JVR played almost exclusively with Pavelski. Kesler was paired more with Kane and Brown/Parise.
Islanders want a 1st round pick for Andrew McDonald. In no way do I think the Bruins should give that up for McDonald.kenneycb said:
RedOctober3829 said:
The one that always sticks out with me is Ken Griffey Jr. wanting to go to the Reds, and only the Reds, and Seattle basically getting boned because of it. Another pretty universally liked player who bent his team over. If NY knows they're the only option they're going to offer a bag of pucks for St. Louis and assume TB will take whatever...if I'm Tampa I take a chance that a guy who's always acted like a pro will continue to act like a pro and hold on to him until the offseason. If he still wants out, move him then.
The problem with these guys is they're more offensive than what the Bruins are likely looking for. For once, they aren't in need of a puck mover or PP specialist. They're looking to replicate Seidenberg's defensive prowess more than anything else. The target will probably be a shot blocking, steady in-zone defender. Preferably a left-shot they could pair with Hamilton or Boychuk depending on how Julien sets is playoff defense.FL4WL3SS said:
Andrew MacDonald has been mentioned as a target. Chris Phillips would probably be on their radar if Ottawa makes him available. Maybe Mark Stuart, though his game has slipped quite a bit and I'm not sure he'd be better than Matt Bartkowski. He's more of an offensive guy, but if Philly makes Andrej Meszaros available he may be of interest to the Bruins. I'm not a huge fan of his though.
But why does it have to be a 1 for 1 thing? The requirement, to my mind, is a guy that can play on the top 4.
I like some of the suggestions you made, but at what cost and will they be available. I was looking strictly at guys that would come cheap and wouldn't kill you on the top-4.
I like some of the suggestions you made, but at what cost and will they be available. I was looking strictly at guys that would come cheap and wouldn't kill you on the top-4.
With the usual caveats related to SSS and quality of opposition:
Before Seidenberg injury - 1.99 GA per game
Since Seidenberg injury - 2.60 GA per game
So yeah I'm with cshea on this one.
Before Seidenberg injury - 1.99 GA per game
Since Seidenberg injury - 2.60 GA per game
So yeah I'm with cshea on this one.
To be fair they've also been without McQuaid and Hamilton for a lot of that time. Not that either of them is at Seidenberg's level but that's still two more slots that have been filled with guys from Providence and extra non-offensive TOI for Krug.
Jed Zeppelin said:
McQuaid is a key defensive cog, and while Miller has been solid, I'm much more comfortable in the playoffs with him on the ice. I've been quite happy with Hamilton's development this year, and have a ton of confidence in him to replace Chara eventually. But, I admit I'm concerned because I think Dougie is the lynch pin to this team getting back to the ECF and I'm worried that his defensive improvement may not be enough to get them back over that hump.
So, they could absolutely use a shutdown LH defenseman. But, I think more than anything they need a depth pick up, so I would not be surprised to see them pick up Stuart cheap or someone like that as a depth move, and go into the playoffs planning on skating Chara/Hamilton Bart/Boychuk Krug/McQuaid.
If Calgary hadn't signed Ference for a way too long contract, I would be open to bringing him back. I don't want him for another 3-4 years though.