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Outside of the points vs. goals arguments I feel like the show has definitely been in a rut since the hockey season started and the Sox ended. Not sure why but I can't remember the last show that was great. It's been fine and plodding along but seems like their last 3-4 bits have missed the mark, the Sox talk (outside of the Theo/Ben sounding the same stuff) has been brutal with that Biggest Ahole contest. The Gronk stuff was semi-entertaining but nothing great.
I agree...I've actually found myself listening to more D&C over the past month than I have in a really long time.

You won't find a bigger fan of Toucher and Rich than myself. I admire the effort they put into their program and it is consistently the most entertaining radio show on air in this market today. But I do wonder that if EEI paired Callahan with someone other than John Dennis (you know...like a person who actually still follows sports) if we would see some of the ratings momentum shift back to them during the mornings.

I detest Callahan's politics but he's pretty good when talking about sports (never afraid to ask the tough questions like he did with Lucchino today). I still say that the Felger/Callahan pairings when Felger was still at EEI produced some great shows.
 

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Agreed that things have slowed down a bit for the past month, but I'm praying that TSH maintains a ratings lead until some personnel changes happen on the morning and afternoon drive shows on EEI.
 

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A lot of us like T&R because they are a totally different vibe than the rest of the Boston sports media. I think over the last month, you saw them mistakenly veer towards their competitor's vibe, because of the chaos of the Sox collapse. This October was exactly what the usual piranha pack feeds on, but tearing people down for the sake of it isn't what T&R do well - they're more lighthearted unless someone pisses them off personally. They went 'mainstream' recently with stuff like "biggest Sox asshole", and it hasn't worked because they're now playing in D&C's home court of subject material.
 

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That whole segment shitting on Nickelback and their knock offs was fantastic. And when they overlaid the two Nickelback songs on top of each other? Perfect.
 

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That whole segment shitting on Nickelback and their knock offs was fantastic. And when they overlaid the two Nickelback songs on top of each other? Perfect.
I was just coming to post something about this. Other than [font="arial][size="2"]Ndamukong Suh running out of the locker room and pasting Chad Kroeger during the halftime show, I can't think of anything better that can come of this.[/size][/font]

The NFL, for being so popular, sure is out of touch with its fans.
 

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That Spiderman/Spi-D.A. bit was hilarious. The constant break-ins with new Spiderman theme songs for DA was fantastic. WHOA LOOK OUT!
 

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I almost drove off of 128 a couple times during that bit. It's amazing Rich can just keep on coming up with stuff that quickly that's well produced and hilarious.

OK off to build watch some Smurfs....
 

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The interview with Shawn Thornton was also excellent this AM.

(While discussing an upper body injury from a Chara slapshot)
Thornton: "Well, I'm made of steel so no broken bones, but it hurt a lot."
Fred: "Oh you don't need to tell me. I wouldn't kick you out of any fireman-of-the-month calendars."
Thornton: (Laughing) "Please don't say anything like that to me again."
Fred: "You know I will!!"

Fred Toucher is a great interviewer, especially if the subject is quick enough to keep up with the jokes.
 

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I was able to listen to 80% of the show this morning and every minute was fantastic. Great show. The Valentine bit, the music in the background, perfect.
 

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Tangentially related, but after bouncing around from LA to NYC to Philly to DC, I have to say that Boston radio might be the best in the country. If BCN were still BCN, I don't think there'd be any doubt.
 

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I can't get enough out of Fred doing the bobby valentine "impression" from the wrap to the boneless wings to the plowing of the roads it cracks me up every time.
 

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Toucher was being an absolute miserable asshole today whining and bitching about how Pujols might go to Miami and how Miami was a disgrace and blah blah blah they shouldn't be doing this, they are crazy, etc. I had to turn it off.
 

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Toucher was being an absolute miserable asshole today whining and bitching about how Pujols might go to Miami and how Miami was a disgrace and blah blah blah they shouldn't be doing this, they are crazy, etc. I had to turn it off.
Too bad you missed a great interview with the guy who wrote the NYT Derek Boogaard story.
 

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I can see it getting old, but loving the valentine stuff right now
 

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Too bad you missed a great interview with the guy who wrote the NYT Derek Boogaard story.
That was a great interview.

I have to say I love Dan Roche on the show. If they dumped Wallach for Roche, the show would be twice as good as it is now. I doubt Roche would ever do it but it's nice to see someone actually bring sports knowledge to the table and be able to fit in, unlike Wallach. I really don't mind Wallach but he just brings nothing to the table.

As the season goes on, i love the Rosevelt Colvin interviews more and more. They seem to have a good thing going and Colvin more than keeps up with them. Them going after Kerrigan, from Purdue, today was good stuff.
 

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In just the last page of this thread, no less than 5 different bits were complimented as hilarious or otherwise excellent, which is about 4 more than you will ever get on the other end of the dial in an entire year. I do understand some of the fatigue that people have experienced with T&R, but they are still light years ahead of their competition IMO.
 

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In just the last page of this thread, no less than 5 different bits were complimented as hilarious or otherwise excellent, which is about 4 more than you will ever get on the other end of the dial in an entire year. I do understand some of the fatigue that people have experienced with T&R, but they are still light years ahead of their competition IMO.
Yes and no, at least to me. I've been listening to D&C a lot more lately, and now that they seem to be much more sports oriented, I seem to be giving them equal time.

Fatigue is probably a good word for what I have been experiencing with T&R, a lot of their bits have gotten stale and I am really sick of Adolfo. I wish they would just go ahead and fire that moronic pile of crap.
 

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Rich and Wallach are embarrassing themselves discussing the Chris Paul trade. The only player in the deal they knew was Chris Kaman.

Fred is admitted not an NBA guy, but NBA is Rich's thing. To not know Eric Gordon is pathetic.
 

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Yes and no, at least to me. I've been listening to D&C a lot more lately, and now that they seem to be much more sports oriented, I seem to be giving them equal time.

Fatigue is probably a good word for what I have been experiencing with T&R, a lot of their bits have gotten stale and I am really sick of Adolfo. I wish they would just go ahead and fire that moronic pile of crap.
I have been having similar feelings lately. For the last 2 months or so, as much as I initially was delighted with their approach and their fervor for bits and stuff like that, I have become increasingly irritated with T&R's inability to conduct a legitimate interview lately. I'm starting to get frustrated with them not knowing names, players, etc, or getting names and or positions wrong across the board, not just in the NBA. I've found myself swapping over to D&C as soon as Fred stutters and fumbles for more than 3 seconds, and then turning the radio off as soon as I hear Callahan go off on a religious tirade. Probably not a good time to not renew Sirius.
 

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Rich and Wallach are embarrassing themselves discussing the Chris Paul trade. The only player in the deal they knew was Chris Kaman.

Fred is admitted not an NBA guy, but NBA is Rich's thing. To not know Eric Gordon is pathetic.
See, I think this is another example of how Wallach doesn't actually fit in with the show. He's supposed to be the sports know-it-all and not just act like the sports know-it-all. When Toucher and Rich stammer about stuff like that, he can chime in to keep the train on the tracks. Instead he doesn't know jack, and worse he's frequently ill-informed. During the Chiarelli interview Tuesday he piped in with a question about Milan Michalek but he didn't know how to pronounce his name. Michalek isn't an everyday name, but he's been a solid NHL player for about 6 years and was heavily discussed after the Thornton deal as someone the Bs should've pried away from SJ. Chiarelli pointed out he also has a brother who is also a good player, a defenseman who plays for the Penguins, but Wallach is clueless.

I don't necessarily expect Toucher and Rich to be able to intelligently talk about sports in great detail by themselves but the one guy who was brought in to do it should be able to or at least he should be either a) more likeable or b) able to more convincingly play a contrarian a la Felger. This time of year you have 4 major sports going (baseball with the hot stove stuff) and there's much less need for comedy bits to pass the time and much more need to have someone on the show that help steer the discussion. One of the reasons Dan Roche works so well on that show is that he's a legit sports nerd who does seem to have all his facts straight and whose love for the game shows through. He's got better things to do, but there has to be a younger equivalent out there who could upgrade the show.
 

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Toucher and Rich were really taking Bill Simmons to task today. I only heard the last half, what was their original beef?
 

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No idea. Some of it was warranted (Bruins Bandwagoning), but Fred got into some pretty petty and mostly untrue stuff eventually, how Bill Simmons is super weird because he brings his dad to hang out with his friends all the time. To my knowledge, he's had his Dad stories, and his friends stories, but I can't remember an anecdote like Fred was ragging on him for, where he went to Vegas with all his buddies and brought his Dad along with them everywhere.
 

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No idea. Some of it was warranted (Bruins Bandwagoning), but Fred got into some pretty petty and mostly untrue stuff eventually, how Bill Simmons is super weird because he brings his dad to hang out with his friends all the time. To my knowledge, he's had his Dad stories, and his friends stories, but I can't remember an anecdote like Fred was ragging on him for, where he went to Vegas with all his buddies and brought his Dad along with them everywhere.
Even if he did, who the fuck cares? He's going to rag on a guy for having a close relationship to his Dad? There is plenty to dislike and rag on Simmons about, but this isn't one of them, especially when they live on different coasts and don't get to see each other as much as they used to.

I've honestly never been a big fan of Fred and mostly listen to the show because of how amazing Rich's production work is. he can be funny and at times doesn't mind poking fun at himself about certain things but he seems like a real life asshole and probably a bigger douchebag in public than he makes Felger out to be.
 

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No idea. Some of it was warranted (Bruins Bandwagoning), but Fred got into some pretty petty and mostly untrue stuff eventually, how Bill Simmons is super weird because he brings his dad to hang out with his friends all the time. To my knowledge, he's had his Dad stories, and his friends stories, but I can't remember an anecdote like Fred was ragging on him for, where he went to Vegas with all his buddies and brought his Dad along with them everywhere.
I did hear that part about Simmons' dad and I thought that was a strange thing to rip on a guy about. Though, to be fair, there are a lot of times when I don't give a shit what Simmons' dad has to say about anything.
 

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I did hear that part about Simmons' dad and I thought that was a strange thing to rip on a guy about. Though, to be fair, there are a lot of times when I don't give a shit what Simmons' dad has to say about anything.
That's fair. I've long maintained that a lot of the use Simmons has for including his Dad is that it's a smokescreen for him to include a view of his he knows will get ripped on, but not have to take ownership of it. His stuff like "Well, what do you say to people like my Dad, who say that numbers are great, but it still doesn't account for the fact that Adrian Gonzalez doesn't come through when it matters", "Well, the numbers say that when it does matter, he actually does come through", "Well, my dad will just say that he doesn't care about the numbers, he's not confident when Gonzalez comes up to bat!".

Still, the whole thing reeked of one of Fred's bitchfests, possibly because he turned down something for them. Even Rich was trying to steer him off of it.


It did leave to Wallach saying one of the most retarded things to ever come out of his mouth, however. "You know, I don't really find him that entertaining anymore. He was great when he tried to tie stuff from the 80s and TV into what was happening now, and talking about the unintentional comedy of people like Keanu Reeves, but he's gotten away from that, and I think he's less funny for it."
 

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That's fair. I've long maintained that a lot of the use Simmons has for including his Dad is that it's a smokescreen for him to include a view of his he knows will get ripped on, but not have to take ownership of it.
I agree 100%. Simmons' dad is the "character" that is used when he doesn't feel like articulating why he thinks the way he thinks. Which is fine, but it also paints his dad as a bit of a dullard. Which would piss me off if I was his father, but I'm not, so it doesn't. Having said that, I think that he's using his "dad" a bit more in his columns than he used to. That's not necessarily a good thing.
 

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Toucher and Rich were really taking Bill Simmons to task today. I only heard the last half, what was their original beef?
Not defending, just explaining:

Toucher's (perhaps irrational and unfair) complaint was that the piece was a narrative framed as though it were a sort of inspirational/generational vicarious triumph ala 2004 Red Sox, when (in Toucher's view), it was really about a famous rich guy who scored expensive seats to a sought-after game without knowing a whole lot about hockey. A focal point of the anger was the fact that Simmons misspelled player names, and (supposedly) only discovered his lifelong love of hockey when he bought primo seats to an expensive game.

It was drawing awfully fine and blurry distinctions in terms of justification for outrage, and had the texture of trying to rationalize a mostly visceral dislike of someone. Toucher seems to have a sort of knee-jerk, blue-collar cynicism that gets riled up by any evidence of self-esteem, a kind of need to make sure that the first and most important fact about anyone is that their shit stinks, too. Disliking Bill Simmons is of a kind with his dislike of "hippies" and Tim Tebow fans, his salty (and sometimes even abusive) relationship with some of his colleagues who exhibit more self-assurance, and his tendency to go off on callers who want to critique structural elements of the show (as opposed to his generally good and mature handling of topical disagreement).

I suspect all of us have known some people with a similar "just don't go thinking you're special" attitude. It often accompanies smart and acerbic wit, and is frequently found in very smart and accomplished people. It might even be catalyst for or effect of certain breeds of talent. But it never makes for good conversation, and only ever makes for good entertainment when done with cleverness and humor. In its raw and un-tempered form, it's like drinking a glass of bile, and is certainly bad radio.

There might or might not be enough smugness and self-satisfaction in Bill Simmons' writing to built a clever and witty bit ala the Gruden-this-guy stuff, and there might even be enough to launch a serious and interesting discussion about the role and nature of Sports Journalism (although that may be a bit outside T+R's wheelhouse). But just going off on the guy because you don't like him is bad radio, and is certainly no better than telling stories about you and your dad going to a big game.
 

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Naughty Massarotti Christmas Carols were hilarious this morning.
 

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I have to say that as much as I like T&R, if EEI had Dale Arnold and Bob Ryan on every morning, I think that I'd switch to them. They've been great this week.
 

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I have to say that as much as I like T&R, if EEI had Dale Arnold and Bob Ryan on every morning, I think that I'd switch to them. They've been great this week.
I was thinking the same thing on my ride in to work today. Yesterday I had the choice of listening to Fred and Rich making fun of a guys Spanish accent while covering his first MNF game or listening to Dale and Ryan interview the Celtics owners.

This morning there was only so much Adolfo riding a bus stuff that I could take so I switched over to EEI for the rest of the morning.

Edit: I need to find the Naughty Mazz stuff when I get home, because that is usually hilarious.
 

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Between the little twit of a Vancouver writer getting shown up by Sean Thornton on Felger's show through Tim Tebow's Fire, it was a pleasant and hilarious morning on the way to work.
 

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I missed out this morning, I guess. The only time I can listen is at home before I leave for work. I got 7 minutes of yelling at a texter to grow up.

This week it's shit like that or shit like Tebow. I sincerely wish we were playing the Steelers, as a media blackout is now in effect.
 

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Not defending, just explaining:

Toucher's (perhaps irrational and unfair) complaint was that the piece was a narrative framed as though it were a sort of inspirational/generational vicarious triumph ala 2004 Red Sox, when (in Toucher's view), it was really about a famous rich guy who scored expensive seats to a sought-after game without knowing a whole lot about hockey. A focal point of the anger was the fact that Simmons misspelled player names, and (supposedly) only discovered his lifelong love of hockey when he bought primo seats to an expensive game.

It was drawing awfully fine and blurry distinctions in terms of justification for outrage, and had the texture of trying to rationalize a mostly visceral dislike of someone. Toucher seems to have a sort of knee-jerk, blue-collar cynicism that gets riled up by any evidence of self-esteem, a kind of need to make sure that the first and most important fact about anyone is that their shit stinks, too. Disliking Bill Simmons is of a kind with his dislike of "hippies" and Tim Tebow fans, his salty (and sometimes even abusive) relationship with some of his colleagues who exhibit more self-assurance, and his tendency to go off on callers who want to critique structural elements of the show (as opposed to his generally good and mature handling of topical disagreement).

I suspect all of us have known some people with a similar "just don't go thinking you're special" attitude. It often accompanies smart and acerbic wit, and is frequently found in very smart and accomplished people. It might even be catalyst for or effect of certain breeds of talent. But it never makes for good conversation, and only ever makes for good entertainment when done with cleverness and humor. In its raw and un-tempered form, it's like drinking a glass of bile, and is certainly bad radio.

There might or might not be enough smugness and self-satisfaction in Bill Simmons' writing to built a clever and witty bit ala the Gruden-this-guy stuff, and there might even be enough to launch a serious and interesting discussion about the role and nature of Sports Journalism (although that may be a bit outside T+R's wheelhouse). But just going off on the guy because you don't like him is bad radio, and is certainly no better than telling stories about you and your dad going to a big game.
This is part of the reason a lot of people in RMPS don't like Simmons, and I like those twats. So, I guess I'm ok with Toucher/Rich not liking him for the same reason.
 

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Wow, when Fred doesn't get the recognition he feels he deserves and someone else gets good press, he becomes a whiny thin-skinned bitch.

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/news/bruins/2011-12/From_NEHJ-_Bruins-_flagship_station_finally_gives_hockey_fans_a_home

Doesn't seem like that bad of an article for Fred to be so butthurt.
 

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It's schtick. Fred can't do his Bobby V stuff until spring training, so he's doing a little light exercising with Felger.
 

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Morning DJs sure lack self confidence.
I was actually a little surpised that he was so pissed off about it. I heard about the article while Mazz was talking about it yesterday and the way they were joking around about it I didn't think anything of it.

Got in my car this morning and heard the tail end of Fred's rant about Felger and Mazz taking all the credit and then it continued with a few callers and I figured it must have been an absolute rip job on about T&R that I pulled up the article and couldn't figure out what Fred's problem was, it was really odd.
 

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I was actually a little surpised that he was so pissed off about it. I heard about the article while Mazz was talking about it yesterday and the way they were joking around about it I didn't think anything of it.

Got in my car this morning and heard the tail end of Fred's rant about Felger and Mazz taking all the credit and then it continued with a few callers and I figured it must have been an absolute rip job on about T&R that I pulled up the article and couldn't figure out what Fred's problem was, it was really odd.
I think, aside form Fed exxagerating for the listeners' sake, that Fred's point may have been that as recently as early last season, Felger & Mazz were in the "80% of the time we discuss the Bruins, we do so mockingly." group. Take the running joke from last season "Tony, go put the cones out on the parade route."
Fred may have legitimately been upset that Felger gets the credit for spearheading the Bruins talk while he and Rich did so all along.
 

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I was actually a little surpised that he was so pissed off about it. I heard about the article while Mazz was talking about it yesterday and the way they were joking around about it I didn't think anything of it.

Got in my car this morning and heard the tail end of Fred's rant about Felger and Mazz taking all the credit and then it continued with a few callers and I figured it must have been an absolute rip job on about T&R that I pulled up the article and couldn't figure out what Fred's problem was, it was really odd.
I thought it was pretty tongue in cheek...like he was just breaking Mazz's (who has a really good relationship with T&R) balls.
 

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I think he was a bit annoyed but did play it up and did most of the joking tongue in cheek. He made a comment about him and the Bruins and Rich's love for the Celtics as part of the reason "high ranking" people at CBS kept them and didn't drop them when the transition happened.

I'd probably be a bit annoyed with it too considering they had Ward Wednesdays on WBCN when it was a rock station when no one was talking about hockey. So I think Fred was annoyed but definitely played it up, then went into his Chuck Norris / Bobby V impersonation. Fred did even say he didn't even hear them talking about it yesterday and didn't care about the article, but was more annoyed about them talking it up, which he never heard.