Toucher and Hardy: The new 98.5 morning show
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Heard Fred blasting Rich again at the top of the 8:00 hour. Rich is dishonest, has lack of humility, nobody likes him, mocked his ratings, etc. He was happy when he heard about Rich getting fired yesterday and is also prepared to give details about everything that went down at 98.5 if need be.
No, that's on me. I don't remember his exact words but I took it as Fred would air all of their dirty laundry if Rich started talking smack.
He said there was more to air if Rich decided to "get cute" and that he hated him. Fred really went in hard, and it was a bit surprising that Hardy and Jon backed him as vocally as they did, even with the "hate to see anyone lose their job, especially in this industry" caveats. They've traditionally stayed quiet around the subject.
That's the thing. Rich has never once -- that I've heard -- talked any kind of "smack" about Fred or aired any dirty laundry. At least not publicly. Fred, on the hand, has talked about Rich NON STOP since he left the show.
Probably because when someone goes out of their way to cost you their job you hold a grudge.
One of them is in a position to talk smack and the other isn’t. What is it rich would even say?
I don't know. But Fred seems to be suggesting he will. And up to this point: he hasn't.
In fact, I would be surprised if we ever hear from Rich again in this region. Unless say maybe EEI takes a flier on him. Otherwise: He's done.
This seems to be the first segment where they discussed this:
View: https://twitter.com/SavageSports_/status/1853766398893514809
From Fred's stream of consciousness:
He's a backstabber and does not tell the truth
He tried to manuver and get me out of a job
I would not have said anything today ... if he had learned any humility
Don't backstab your friends, don't be a snake
It's everyone else's fault
View: https://twitter.com/SavageSports_/status/1853766398893514809
From Fred's stream of consciousness:
He's a backstabber and does not tell the truth
He tried to manuver and get me out of a job
I would not have said anything today ... if he had learned any humility
Don't backstab your friends, don't be a snake
It's everyone else's fault
I don't think Wallach and Hardy were backing him as much as they were just letting him cook off and politely distancing themselves from the rant. Of all the guys on that show, only Hardy (who I think hates Rich the least if I had to guess) has provided a concrete example of Rich being a jerk, which was the leaving early from the Vegas thing.
It made perfect sense to me at the time if Rich was indeed "trying to get Fred fired" - I remember how often Fred was missing parts of shows, ruining his voice by smoking cigarettes, lying about his coworkers on twitter, blaming Nick on air for Dan's screwups, etc. The problem is, it's all management's job who to keep, who to let go, who to reprimand. The Lockhart thing was also management's job and Rich forced them to reverse it (Lockhart seemed to be a bit less than grateful for the opportunity later on, which may be a testament to how crappy Rich seems to be off the air).
The big on-air meltdown they had makes more sense now - it was Fred trying to tell Rich that Rich was trying to do station management's job and he'd be better off just working with what they give him. Later on when Fred said "management loves me" I think he meant that Fred works with management whereas Rich fights with them.
It was interesting to hear Hardy talk about how that even if you sign a non-compete clause it's basically unenforceable (at least in this state).
And Fred going scorched earth on how Rich had six months off between shows to come up with new ideas & bits and then just recycled bits from T&R.
And Fred going scorched earth on how Rich had six months off between shows to come up with new ideas & bits and then just recycled bits from T&R.
I don't know who this "Male Gislature" is, but he says radio non-competes are illegal:
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXXI/Chapter149/Section186
He's 72 years old, couldn't get a job last year, has a losing record without Brady, was 4-13 in his last season and left the Patriots with the worst roster in the NFL. It will take the Patriots YEARS to undo the mess he made. The only way he gets a job is if one of the dumb trust fund brat owners insists on hiring him.
"He could've approached me at any time instead of printing out all my stuff and giving it to management."
"I'm saving a lot of stuff in my pocket for a rainy day, in case he gets cute, then I will REALLY tell you what happened."
Anyone else hope Rich "gets cute"?
Thanks. I've always felt that way about them, like someone who's fired can't go find employment even if it happens to be at a competitor?
Illegal as a term of employment, post-termination, but maybe not if they continue to pay him for the duration under the contract, and probably even less so if it’s part of a settlement agreement and release of claims.
Right. I was under the assumption that he likely signed some type of release and was paid during the time period before he signed with ZLX. Rich may have mischaracterized it as a "non-compete", but I'm sure he had a good lawyer actually negotiate the terms. Just guessing though.
Likewise. You and I are aligned in a vague: “This is probably directionally what happened, given how the world works,” way (which is the best way to be aligned, of course). I just didn’t want everybody to think that the citation to the General Laws was definitive of the possible, or even likely, universe on this one.
Rich's original post before starting the show was "boy oh boy there are a lot of things we need to talk about the least of which including how non-competes are the worst and should be totally illegal..."
It seems to me that Rich was strongly hinting at a non-compete clause being the reason he couldn't get back on the air sooner. Non-competes are in fact "totally illegal" as far as he's concerned, so it wasn't a non-compete clause that was keeping him off the air. I don't know if he was being dumb or deceptive; the latter would square with what Fred says about him.
Bear in mind I would take a lot of what Fred says about lying with a grain of salt. He did lose a defamation suit in GA for falsely claiming his former coworker got fired (No Witness, LLC v. Cumulus Media Partners, LLC)
What I was gently telling you is that a “non-compete” may not be “totally illegal” in certain contexts that are not accounted for in the statute that you cited.
FWIW, Fred and Hardy threw cold water on the claims of a non-compete. I'm assuming that's based on the deals that they signed with 98.5.
Which probably didn’t include a release and settlement of claims with a departing employee that could be in play here, and which two of us (who play in similar sandboxes) referenced above?
I assume what you're talking about is that Rich made a deal not to work for a certain amount of time past his contract end date, presumably for some extra money. Is that right?
If so, Rich turning around and talking about that as though it's a "non-compete" and then saying it should be "totally illegal" is not exactly on the level.
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I thought it was interesting how Adolfo referred to Rich as "Voldemort" when they had him call in today.
Completely agree. Somewhere up thread I had commented about the overall improvement in feel and energy and someone made the connection for me to Adam12 coming on board. Yeah I can be obtuse, but for sure Big Ups to him it’s huge
Their management might have told them not to talk about it too much or something.
Clearly everyone there actually hates Rich, but only Hardy has ever mentioned anything specific (agreeing to do the Vegas thing and leaving early) and Hardy doesn't hate anybody. This is baffling me.
Some great stuff this week. The JStew Heel or Heal was great.
I know the narrative was Toucher / Hardy was oil and oil, but I think it's working great now. Hardy's tales of cutting down trees with a Sawzall was entertaining. I loved the interview today with the guy who found the guy at a yard sale with some super rare Babe Ruth / Joe Jackson cards and helped him and didn't screw him was a great interview.
As I said before Adam 12 is a breath of fresh air from commentary, rejoins etc. This IMO is vastly better show vs T&R since COVID. This isn't a Rich sucks, Fred's great. Fred was a real big problem for a long time, but I think this is vintage 2017-2019 T&R level show.
I know the narrative was Toucher / Hardy was oil and oil, but I think it's working great now. Hardy's tales of cutting down trees with a Sawzall was entertaining. I loved the interview today with the guy who found the guy at a yard sale with some super rare Babe Ruth / Joe Jackson cards and helped him and didn't screw him was a great interview.
As I said before Adam 12 is a breath of fresh air from commentary, rejoins etc. This IMO is vastly better show vs T&R since COVID. This isn't a Rich sucks, Fred's great. Fred was a real big problem for a long time, but I think this is vintage 2017-2019 T&R level show.
maybe Fred saw that account posted n it’s not really his wife but used it as a jumping off point to rant
I don't usually care for Fred airing the show's dirty laundry regarding Rich, but that clip was actually great. It wasn't a bit or vague or passive aggressive, it was just honest and revealing.
Also, I think I get Fred and John's connection now. When Fred said "she's always hated him" and John responded "I know", I realized that those 2 must have been commiserating about Rich for quite some time.
Also, I think I get Fred and John's connection now. When Fred said "she's always hated him" and John responded "I know", I realized that those 2 must have been commiserating about Rich for quite some time.
Right. He corroborated it's her. Otherwise, it would be a pretty dumb move for Fred to blatantly lie and bring his ex-wife into this discussion on live radio. There clearly is something there.
or it’s a joke that he n everyone on the show knows it’s not her and he just wanted to say look even my ex-wife hates rich