tOSU - We are all out of body parts with which to slap Michigan in the face

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The SEC is the Phil Michelson of college football: FIGJAM.

I hope Washington runs Bama off the field. I think it's unlikely, because I think Bama really is that good, but the way the rest of the conference preens would be like the Jets and Bills talking shit and telling the Raiders, Cowboys, and Falcons that they'd be sub .500 teams in the AFC East.

Get fucked, SEC.
This post is as awesome as a sexy, sexy pair of velvet blue moccasins lovingly caressing my feet.
 

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I think the SEC has dropped because the quality of coaching droppped.

In 2010 there was Saban, Meyer, Petrino, Spurrier, and Richt.

Then there were some fresh faces like Franklin, Freeze and Malzhan who injected some creativity into the conference.

Now, Freeze and Malzhan have stalled. Same with Mullen. Jones isn't much of a coach I don't think, Smart is young, and McElwain looks a tier below great. Missouri took a step back with their coaching change.

Plus for how much talent is on the field, SEC quarterbacks are subpar as a group. I'm interested to see what Browning does against Alabama.
 

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I agree with all of that. I had never considered your third point but it's a very, very good one.

I still love the SEC, love the schools, love the football and the culture.

But, if you're like me and you don't have time to watch a ton of games every week and love college football, I'm just telling you that my experience has been tremendously improved by not blindly assuming the SEC is always the best game or that the SEC is even necessarily always the best conference.

edit - in response to Yammer.
 

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Plus for how much talent is on the field, SEC quarterbacks are subpar as a group. I'm interested to see what Browning does against Alabama.
I'm sorry we're mucking up tOSU thread with this when we probably should be making fun of Michigan fans for following the Snapchats of 14 year olds to entice them to come get a crappy education and lose to an actual football team every year BUT I want to make a point on the above (great post, wonderland):

There is a lack of great quarterback play overall in college football and, this is just me, I love it. The NFL is way, way, way, way too much about one position. Football is such an interesting game of strategy and multiple one-on-one match-ups going on during every single play that change the play and the game in small, subtle ways that change the outcome in huge ways.

I don't love Alabama, for instance. I think any non-Bama fan would want to see them lose this weekend or in the finals just because it's more fun. But watching them this year with their QB has been really, really interesting. They've hid him at times, tried (and failed) to rely on him at times and actually have been able to rely on him at other times. He's obviously a freshman which makes it plausible that he will be really, really good eventually but right now he's not. It makes the game more interesting, it adds different elements to the game.

I'm a fan of Carolina and this year we had the QB that probably goes off the board 2nd in the draft. He's a really good QB. I bet he starts and does well in the pros. Our coach is a good offensive coach (reportedly). And yet, we, just like an NFL team, would abandon the running game that has propelled their success the last few years in favor of Mitch's big arm trying 3 throws in a row and hoping that one of them connected for more than 10 yards to stay on the field. It was boring. (It wasn't always boring. The UNC/Florida St. game this year was incredibly fun to watch).

My favorite thing about watching Washington this year was their defense. But also, their QB, as touted as he was, man he was inconsistent.
 

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I'm sorry we're mucking up tOSU thread with this when we probably should be making fun of Michigan fans for following the Snapchats of 14 year olds to entice them to come get a crappy education and lose to an actual football team every year BUT I want to make a point on the above (great post, wonderland):

There is a lack of great quarterback play overall in college football and, this is just me, I love it. The NFL is way, way, way, way too much about one position. Football is such an interesting game of strategy and multiple one-on-one match-ups going on during every single play that change the play and the game in small, subtle ways that change the outcome in huge ways.

I don't love Alabama, for instance. I think any non-Bama fan would want to see them lose this weekend or in the finals just because it's more fun. But watching them this year with their QB has been really, really interesting. They've hid him at times, tried (and failed) to rely on him at times and actually have been able to rely on him at other times. He's obviously a freshman which makes it plausible that he will be really, really good eventually but right now he's not. It makes the game more interesting, it adds different elements to the game.

I'm a fan of Carolina and this year we had the QB that probably goes off the board 2nd in the draft. He's a really good QB. I bet he starts and does well in the pros. Our coach is a good offensive coach (reportedly). And yet, we, just like an NFL team, would abandon the running game that has propelled their success the last few years in favor of Mitch's big arm trying 3 throws in a row and hoping that one of them connected for more than 10 yards to stay on the field. It was boring. (It wasn't always boring. The UNC/Florida St. game this year was incredibly fun to watch).

My favorite thing about watching Washington this year was their defense. But also, their QB, as touted as he was, man he was inconsistent.
Great post. I agree 100 percent.
 

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And going so far, in the case of ravenous Alabama fan - one Harvey Almorn Updyke Jr. - to poison said trees in 2011.
One time doth not a tradition make.

Seriously though, Alabama did a crappy job there. It would have been classy if one of their alums or the agricultural program restored new trees in there as a goodwill gesture.
 

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It's all cyclical.
And why they play the games.
Thanks for that bit of insight. I look forward to you replying "It is what it is" on every single thread, in order to spread your wisdom around more widely.

...before the CFP came to be, all we ever heard about was how the SEC was so much better than everywhere else it wasn't funny. A MAC team - and not even the best team in the conference....heck, not even the winner of their division this season - should not be able to have an SEC team by the throat. And yet, there we were.

The SEC is basically a blocked field goal away from being 0-5 so far in bowl season. That is, to me, staggering given how highly regarded the conference has been over the last ten years.
Yammer, perhaps part of it is what SEC conference ranking is matched up with which other-conference ranking. Put SEC #1 vs ACC #1, all the way down to Mizzou vs Virginia, and the SEC probably looks pretty good. I'm no SEC booster, but the matchups thus far have been:

(team, rough rank in conference, conf record; SEC team listed first)
MS State (12th, 3-5) vs Miami OH (4th ACC, 6-2), result MSST 17-16
Vanderbilt (11th, 3-5) vs NC State (9th ACC, 3-5), result NCST 41-17
Texas A&M (6th, 4-4) vs KS State (4th Big 12, 6-3), result KSST 33-28
South Carolina (10th, 3-5) vs South Florida (3rd AAC, 7-1), result SFL 46-39 (OT)
Arkansas (9th, 3-5) vs VA Tech (2nd ACC, 6-2), result VT 35-24
Georgia (7th, 4-4) vs TCU (5th Big 12, 4-5), result UGA 31-23
Tennessee (5th, 4-4) vs Nebraska (5th B1G, 6-3), result TN 38-24

The conference was not helped much by the fact that 12 of the 14 SEC teams qualified for bowl games, and all travel well (except maybe Vandy) so they all got picked somewhat above what their competitive level should probably have indicated. I mean, frankly, of the above, the fact that MSST almost beat Miami is probably the most impressive/surprising result of the lot.

What we have left may be a more fair test of conference depth, overall:

LSU (4th, 5-3) vs Louisville (3rd ACC, 7-1)
Kentucky (8th, 4-4) vs Georgia Tech (8th ACC, 4-4)
Florida (2nd, 6-2) vs Iowa (6th B1G, 6-3) -- this should be a face-crush for Florida
Alabama (1st, 8-0) vs Washington (1st Pac12, 8-1)
Auburn (3rd, 5-3) vs Oklahoma (1st Big12, 9-0)
 

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Thanks for that bit of insight. I look forward to you replying "It is what it is" on every single thread, in order to spread your wisdom around more widely.


Yammer, perhaps part of it is what SEC conference ranking is matched up with which other-conference ranking. Put SEC #1 vs ACC #1, all the way down to Mizzou vs Virginia, and the SEC probably looks pretty good. I'm no SEC booster, but the matchups thus far have been:

(team, rough rank in conference, conf record; SEC team listed first)
MS State (12th, 3-5) vs Miami OH (4th ACC, 6-2), result MSST 17-16
Vanderbilt (11th, 3-5) vs NC State (9th ACC, 3-5), result NCST 41-17
Texas A&M (6th, 4-4) vs KS State (4th Big 12, 6-3), result KSST 33-28
South Carolina (10th, 3-5) vs South Florida (3rd AAC, 7-1), result SFL 46-39 (OT)
Arkansas (9th, 3-5) vs VA Tech (2nd ACC, 6-2), result VT 35-24
Georgia (7th, 4-4) vs TCU (5th Big 12, 4-5), result UGA 31-23
Tennessee (5th, 4-4) vs Nebraska (5th B1G, 6-3), result TN 38-24

The conference was not helped much by the fact that 12 of the 14 SEC teams qualified for bowl games, and all travel well (except maybe Vandy) so they all got picked somewhat above what their competitive level should probably have indicated. I mean, frankly, of the above, the fact that MSST almost beat Miami is probably the most impressive/surprising result of the lot.

What we have left may be a more fair test of conference depth, overall:

LSU (4th, 5-3) vs Louisville (3rd ACC, 7-1)
Kentucky (8th, 4-4) vs Georgia Tech (8th ACC, 4-4)
Florida (2nd, 6-2) vs Iowa (6th B1G, 6-3) -- this should be a face-crush for Florida
Alabama (1st, 8-0) vs Washington (1st Pac12, 8-1)
Auburn (3rd, 5-3) vs Oklahoma (1st Big12, 9-0)
Very fair points. I guess I am still a bit surprised that so far their wins have been one solid win by UT, a cheapo for Miss State and a one TD victory over a Nebraska team playing without their stud QB. Maybe I am more anti-SEC than I realized, but they haven't impressed as yet, but maybe they will in the long run.

The ACC has had a nice little postseason though, huh?
 

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Thanks for that bit of insight. I look forward to you replying "It is what it is" on every single thread, in order to spread your wisdom around more widely.
I don't say this very often, but Fuck You. I don't take any of this very seriously, and neither should you oh great one of recent arrival. Who made you lord editorial king of content?

It's called jest and a sense of humor. If you look at my record on the board, you'll see that I have made plenty of substantive posts. But I, unlike you apparently, recognize that they don't ALL need to be substantive posts.

And just what did your jab accomplish in the long run, anyway... in a conversation in which you weren't involved in the first place? To show that you have superior intellect? Sheesh.
 
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Sorry for vaguebooking and thank you to the folks who sent kind notes. My FiL is a great guy who has had a very, very rich, very fulfilling life. 7 or 8 years ago he was told that he had a recurrence of a disease that could be eliminated through some somewhat radical and painful therapy or he could just keep living and see what happened. He made the active decision to not go through the therapy. He's now in his mid 80s and has his marbles all together but a recent test produced numbers that look like the end may be on the not-immediate but not wildly distant horizon. At the very least he is planning the end. It's not that big a deal in truth, And knowing him he will probably dance on all of our graves so last night wasn't a dour, bitter evening, it was more of a "here is what is happening and here is the plan in case this uptick becomes exponential instead of linear."

So basically, He will, without a doubt, live longer than Jim Harbaugh's coaching career at UofM but it is unlikely that he will live long enough to see Michigan ever come within 10 points of beating tOSU at football. And the timing of this conversation coincided perfectly with a game that seemed better viewed very occasionally.

We made Michigan fans cry and their coach whine. We made the playoffs and we have a young, very punchy team. Great season.
 

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So Yammer, does this mean you're going to stop making Mom jokes towards posters whose loved ones, unbeknownst to you, may have gone through similar (or worse) health situations?
 
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So Yammer, does this mean you're going to stop making Mom jokes towards posters whose loved ones, unbeknownst to you, may have gone through similar (or worse) health situations?
Oh no, absolutely not. But you do realize that's a nonsense statement, I don't make mom jokes I absolutely sleep with your mom.
 

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Almost like they needed to play one more game to work out the kinks. Too bad Penn State took that away from them.
The Penn State game was the first clue that Ohio State wasn't a legit national championship contender. Michigan game showed more Buckeye flaws, especially with the offense.
Still, how does Urban Meyer justify his team not showing up for a bowl game after one month of preparation? Even the Columbus Dispatch is asking that question.
 

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The Penn State game was the first clue that Ohio State wasn't a legit national championship contender. Michigan game showed more Buckeye flaws, especially with the offense.
Still, how does Urban Meyer justify his team not showing up for a bowl game after one month of preparation? Even the Columbus Dispatch is asking that question.
In truth I'm just not sure that tOSU had that much elite talent this season, whereas Clemson is loaded. In my opinion Urban deserves more criticism for not feeding Zeke the ball in the MSU loss last season than the pantsing they just received this season.
 

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In truth I'm just not sure that tOSU had that much elite talent this season, whereas Clemson is loaded. In my opinion Urban deserves more criticism for not feeding Zeke the ball in the MSU loss last season than the pantsing they just received this season.
I agree. Clemson is going to give Bama all they can handle next week. tOSU really didn't have an answer for teams that could shut down their running game -- and I think that's a talent issue, not any shortcoming on Meyer's part.
 

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Still, how does Urban Meyer justify his team not showing up for a bowl game after one month of preparation? Even the Columbus Dispatch is asking that question.
Post fake heart attack Urban isn't as much of a work-a-holic as he was when he ran that criminally-loaded Florida roster (pun intended).
 

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I agree. Clemson is going to give Bama all they can handle next week. tOSU really didn't have an answer for teams that could shut down their running game -- and I think that's a talent issue, not any shortcoming on Meyer's part.
I agree with this. One thing that I was surprised he didn't do was go up tempo on Clemson. As most of you know, I've got kids there and I'm really familiar with Clemson. One way to expose that defense is to go fast. Venebles (whether true or not) is notorious for either stealing signs or being very good at predicting plays and as such Clemson gets lined up on D very late on most plays. If you go fast as an offense, not only are they out of position, they aren't real sure what D they are supposed to be in and they get gashed. So outside of that, I agree the talent differential was greater than most thought going in, but if there was one thing I thought they'd do it would have been go fast on offense.

Having said that, I don't watch enough OSU to determine if that is something they do often or not. Obviously if they don't go up tempo on offense normally, it would be hard to just put that in for one game.
 

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Post fake heart attack Urban isn't as much of a work-a-holic as he was when he ran that criminally-loaded Florida roster (pun intended).
Agreed. Critical spotlight is finally on Urban, who has already vowed to fix the passing game. Can he do that? Is there a QB on the roster who can throw the ball? As a whole, this is still not a conference that throws the ball well.
 

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It's January 3rd.

JT Barrett still hasn't gotten to the 15 yard line.

Additionally, there's a reason the B10 defended nothing that Harbaugh went after in his comments....because they had no leg to stand on to do it.
 

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JT Barrett regressed significantly as a passer this season. What the hell happened.
His rate stats are practically the same as last year when he was surrounded by a lot more talent. The regression happened from his freshman to sophomore years, although it was probably unrealistic to expect him to repeat his freshman year. This is who he is now.
 

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Oh no, absolutely not. But you do realize that's a nonsense statement, I don't make mom jokes I absolutely sleep with your mom.
Plowing you with a scarlet and white strap-on while you receive a hand job from a spider monkey dressed in a Kirk Herbstreit jersey does not qualify as sleeping with her. Unless we're counting your passing out halfway through.
 
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It's January 3rd.

JT Barrett still hasn't gotten to the 15 yard line.

Additionally, there's a reason the B10 defended nothing that Harbaugh went after in his comments....because they had no leg to stand on to do it.
Plus, you know, conferences never do that. I love that you guys are still whining about this. Whinerines, amirite?
 

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Plowing you with a scarlet and white strap-on while you receive a hand job from a spider monkey dressed in a Kirk Herbstreit jersey does not qualify as sleeping with her. Unless we're counting your passing out halfway through.
So......your comeback is tha your mom is a strapon fiend who is not good enough to keep her partner even awake? Uhhh.....got me?
 

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Plowing you with a scarlet and white strap-on while you receive a hand job from a spider monkey dressed in a Kirk Herbstreit jersey does not qualify as sleeping with her. Unless we're counting your passing out halfway through.
You are immediately my favorite poster here.
 

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Yes, yes they do.

They didn't even remotely defend the officials. Because they couldn't. Because Barrett was clearly short. That was Vinny Testaverde-esque.
So you perceive that conferences make statements about refs when coaches whine after games? LoL indeed!

The referee and the line judge for the UW-Alabama CFP semifinal worked the tOSU-Michigan game. College football has heard your arguments and laughed most heartily. Also, College Football called you, all the fans around you, and your coach, bitches.
 

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So you perceive that conferences make statements about refs when coaches whine after games? LoL indeed!

The referee and the line judge for the UW-Alabama CFP semifinal worked the tOSU-Michigan game. College football has heard your arguments and laughed most heartily. Also, College Football called you, all the fans around you, and your coach, bitches.
And then Clemson made you their bitches.
 

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So you perceive that conferences make statements about refs when coaches whine after games? LoL indeed!

The referee and the line judge for the UW-Alabama CFP semifinal worked the tOSU-Michigan game. College football has heard your arguments and laughed most heartily. Also, College Football called you, all the fans around you, and your coach, bitches.
Actually they do.

Being afraid to get the call correct because of fan reaction is flat out unacceptable.
 

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Actually they do.

Being afraid to get the call correct because of fan reaction is flat out unacceptable.
No, they really don't. Maybe you could find a few to give as examples?

You are right, that would be unacceptable, but it didn't happen. You, twibbernutter, and dhappy are truly the best things that have ever happen to me from a self esteem perspective. Mainly because your moms are dirty girls, but also because you represent the UM fanbase so beautifully.
 

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So......your comeback is tha your mom is a strapon fiend who is not good enough to keep her partner even awake? Uhhh.....got me?
If you were her, would you turn down $500?

In all seriousness man, thoughts and prayers to your family. I mean that. You're a good poster and bring a lot of football content. Just having a little fun, and this thread seems like a safe space™ for that.