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I also remember him having some type of issue with not paying a chef while AB was here. I wonder if it’s the same guy.
 

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Dude has made how much money in his career and he’s only willing to put up $500 for a fake vax card whose veracity threatens his career and much larger $$$. Damn.
 

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I mean, there really is no way to fake an index card with some pen scribbling on it. I’m sure the Bucs unpaid junior interns checked the shit out of each one.
 

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The Bucs statement doesn’t state or imply that his card was valid. It’s gotta be difficult to police for fakes after all, are these teams actually calling pharmacies/clinics to confirm they are valid? I doubt it, and that statement certainly doesn’t suggest they did.

Who knows, this story could be bullshit. But that statement tells me nothing; obviously the Bucs wouldn’t knowingly report a fake card as valid or issue a statement expressing doubt.
 

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I'm willing to bet that he's not alone. Maybe even on the Bucs.

See Kyrie... he could have done the same thing if he really didn't want the vaccine and wasn't an attention whore.
 

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Can't wait until Roger weighs in on this one. How will he manage to make this even worse? He probably already destroyed the card and docked the Pats a draft pick out of habit.
 

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I’m sure someone will go back and look now, would be funny if there is a really obvious tell (like that previous story in Hawaii with Moderna spelled wrong). Unfortunately they are quite easy to fake.

Agree the team statement doesn’t mean the chef is wrong at all. Just that “as far as they are aware”, the entire team is all vaccinated.
 

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The simplest thing would be to check if he’s in the state database or if he used the NFLPA health plan during the appointment. If not, he’s probably screwed.
 

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The simplest thing would be to check if he’s in the state database or if he used the NFLPA health plan during the appointment. If not, he’s probably screwed.
why do I feel like Florida might not be the most organized state to be able to confirm something like this?
 

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I know we are using the card as a short-hand way for people to prove they are vaccinated, but aren't there state vaccination records behind that that Brown could provide to the Bucs if they asked? My wife is dealing with this right now, she has a card that shows two Pfizer shots from the spring, but for whatever reason CVS thinks she only has one. I told her to just go get her booster from Wallgreens or whatever but nobody will let her book a booster shot because the state records only show her as having one shot.
 

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I know we are using the card as a short-hand way for people to prove they are vaccinated, but aren't there state vaccination records behind that that Brown could provide to the Bucs if they asked? My wife is dealing with this right now, she has a card that shows two Pfizer shots from the spring, but for whatever reason CVS thinks she only has one. I told her to just go get her booster from Wallgreens or whatever but nobody will let her book a booster shot because the state records only show her as having one shot.
The state dept of health should have such records. In practical terms, the difficulty is that it can take a week or two to get the results from a request (not sure if they can ethically expedite a request from
An NFL player while others wait). Also, Brown would have to get it and provide it to the team due to privacy restrictions. The team can’t get it directly without informed consent.

If I were the league, I’d require Brown to behave as if unvaccinated for the time being and say he has 2 weeks to provide certified proof of prior vaccination or face discipline. Or admit any dishonesty now and face lighter discipline.
 

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After that Bucs statement, I will be shocked if the NFL goes near this story. As others have noted, Brown is unlikely to be the only one and I suspect they have no appetite for even bigger stars to get caught up in this mess.
 

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The simplest thing would be to check if he’s in the state database or if he used the NFLPA health plan during the appointment. If not, he’s probably screwed.
The state database is not open to the public. People can’t call Walgreens to confirm their neighbor’s vax is legit. My wife can’t call Tufts Med Ctr to verify my card is legit.

The majority of these cards are handwritten. Oh let’s call CVS store 5673 …or is it 5613… to get the pharmacist to hang up on us.

There’s no way to verify unless you demand the player get certification from the provider or the state…. Of course that certification can get easily faked too.
 

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The state database is not open to the public. People can’t call Walgreens to confirm their neighbor’s vax is legit. My wife can’t call Tufts Med Ctr to verify my card is legit.

The majority of these cards are handwritten. Oh let’s call CVS store 5673 …or is it 5613… to get the pharmacist to hang up on us.

There’s no way to verify unless you demand the player get certification from the provider or the state…. Of course that certification can get easily faked too.
We had a pilot here fake a vaccination card and the CVS did confirm that she was not in their database as having been vaccinated as was indicated on her card. They obviously should not have done that but the giveaway was the lot numbers for the Pfizer shot were the same even though the shot dates were 3 weeks apart.
 

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I know we are using the card as a short-hand way for people to prove they are vaccinated, but aren't there state vaccination records behind that that Brown could provide to the Bucs if they asked? My wife is dealing with this right now, she has a card that shows two Pfizer shots from the spring, but for whatever reason CVS thinks she only has one. I told her to just go get her booster from Wallgreens or whatever but nobody will let her book a booster shot because the state records only show her as having one shot.
Has she tried getting a "second" shot?
 

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Wonder how cancer survivor Bruce Arians feels about this:
"I was very uncomfortable," Ruiz told ESPN Friday. But he said Brown obtained a card from a Buccaneers teammate.
"He got them from another player who was selling them," said Ruiz, who declined to name the player. "That player came over to the house multiple times. He had to get another copy of Cyd's vaccine card because they got her birthday wrong on the first one."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32668282/bruce-arians-says-tampa-bay-buccaneers-did-their-due-diligence-regarding-antonio-brown-vaccination-status?platform=amp
 

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Posted in the other thread, but to the surprise of literally no one, Brown did fake his vaccination card...and only got a 3 game suspension.

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1466516415301787657


2 other bucs did as well. Bruce Arians continues to run a tight ship.
As per the bolded, I'm no Bruce Arians fan, but what's he supposed to do? If all of a sudden a similar story happens on the Pats, is that BB's fault? These guys are all grown-ass men. It shouldn't be Arians' problem to do a forsenic investigation on Vax cards.
 

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As per the bolded, I'm no Bruce Arians fan, but what's he supposed to do? If all of a sudden a similar story happens on the Pats, is that BB's fault? These guys are all grown-ass men. It shouldn't be Arians' problem to do a forsenic investigation on Vax cards.
Seriously, what an odd thing to say about Arians.

Aaron Hernandez was a stone cold killer. Does that mean Bill Belichick runs a lousy team and his ship is very leaky?
 

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More proof of what a horrible person AB is. I have no idea how, as a repeat offender of the league's Personal Conduct Policy (multiple times), he gets off as easy as he does, and why he's even been allowed to play without suspension for TB until now (Isn't he still facing battery charges?) And isn't he injured, anyway? So is he really gonna miss a game because of this suspension?

And FU, Goodell, for continuing to make it up as you go. Nothing for Rodgers? The same punishment for Brown as two others? NFL administration is such a joke.
 

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More proof of what a horrible person AB is. I have no idea how, as a repeat offender of the league's Personal Conduct Policy (multiple times), he gets off as easy as he does, and why he's even been allowed to play without suspension for TB until now (Isn't he still facing battery charges?) And isn't he injured, anyway? So is he really gonna miss a game because of this suspension?

And FU, Goodell, for continuing to make it up as you go. Nothing for Rodgers? The same punishment for Brown as two others? NFL administration is such a joke.
He's not going to get paid while suspended. If he was injured, he would. But you are right, Browns antics are stacking up and it is not good.
 

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Three games is fucking ridiculous.

What's the point of having these COVID protocols if there aren't severe consequences for not following them? I've done a million ethics and compliance investigations in my career. The one thing that you absolutely cannot allow is someone who is willing to lie to an investigator or forge/falsify official records. There's just no way to protect yourself against bad actors willing to do that kind of thing, so when we find them those people get the hammer. I get that the NFL isn't the real world and I generally hate when people compare their own workplace to professional sports, and I don't expect Brown to be banned for life for this, but three games is just completely ridiculous. Yet not surprising knowing the NFL.
 

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As per the bolded, I'm no Bruce Arians fan, but what's he supposed to do? If all of a sudden a similar story happens on the Pats, is that BB's fault? These guys are all grown-ass men. It shouldn't be Arians' problem to do a forsenic investigation on Vax cards.
1) Arians brought in AB after everything - including DV, assaults etc...

2) Arians and/or the Bucs had Alex fucking Guerrero collecting pictures of the vaccine cards to "speed the process." Certainly not the height of responsible medical work.

Alex Guerrero, a personal trainer and co-founder of TB12 with Tom Brady, arrived at Brown’s house the same night to help the 33-year-old Pro Bowler recover from knee surgery. According to Ruiz, Guerrero took a photograph of Brown’s vaccination card while he was there.

To document the list of vaccinated players as quickly as possible, the Bucs would sometimes have Guerrero or others in the organization photograph the cards to send to head trainer Bobby Slater and eventually to their infection control officer.
3) Arians dismissed the story initially and said there was "no story" - did not speak with Brown about it. He could not have been more dismissive of it.

He followed up with

"“When a guy gives me the card, I’m good with it,” Arians added. “I don’t know how this story got going, other than somebody wanted some money.”

If the Pats allowed Alex Fucking Guerrero to collect vaccine cards on AB - yeah, I'd be giving BB shit for it.
 
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1) Arians brought in AB after everything - including DV, assaults etc...

2) Arians and/or the Bucs had Alex fucking Guerrero collecting pictures of the vaccine cards to "speed the process." Certainly not the height of responsible medical work.



3) Arians dismissed the story initially and said there was "no story" - did not speak with Brown about it. He could not have been more dismissive of it.

He followed up with

"“When a guy gives me the card, I’m good with it,” Arians added. “I don’t know how this story got going, other than somebody wanted some money.”

If the Pats allowed Alex Fucking Guerrero to collect vaccine cards on AB - yeah, I'd be giving BB shit for it.
IDK. My work requires us to be vaccinated and those of use who work remotely had to provide an image of the vaccination card. Guerrero and others helping speed the process likely simply meant that somebody, anybody, who actually knew how to get a digital image uploaded to wherever the Bucs wanted it to be was welcome to help, since I'm guessing many of the players are pretty helpless in this regard. I doubt any workplaces are giving cards/images much scrutiny at all.
 

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Three games is fucking ridiculous.

What's the point of having these COVID protocols if there aren't severe consequences for not following them? I've done a million ethics and compliance investigations in my career. The one thing that you absolutely cannot allow is someone who is willing to lie to an investigator or forge/falsify official records. There's just no way to protect yourself against bad actors willing to do that kind of thing, so when we find them those people get the hammer. I get that the NFL isn't the real world and I generally hate when people compare their own workplace to professional sports, and I don't expect Brown to be banned for life for this, but three games is just completely ridiculous. Yet not surprising knowing the NFL.
Especially considering the FU flex to the players about how anyone forcing a team for forfeit would cost the whole team revenue and a loss.

I swear, our kids are going to look back at us glorifying this game like we look at smokers or lobotomies.
 
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Especially considering the FU flex to the players about how anyone forcing a team for forfeit would cost the whole team revenue and a loss.

I swear, our kids are going to look back at us glorifying this game like we look at smokers or lobotomies.
I also have a lot of shame. Game is just so damn interesting and consistent winning and intrigue for NE has sucked me in and kept me hooked. The bullshit league management though…constantly frustrating.
 

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AB will be elected governor of Florida if the fake is confirmed.
Good to know covid/political takes with no actual bearing on the subject at hand are allowed in this forum again. It always makes SoSH a better place when those things leak out of V&N.
 

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They are not allowed. It is possible that the comment was missed. Instead of this passive aggressive bullshit, report the post.
 

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I'm confused. What Brown did was very wrong- no question about it. He deserves a punishment. But according to stories I've seen, Brown at some point early on got vaccinated. Rodgers, on the other hand, never got vaccinated but didn't follow all of the protocols for unvaccinated players. So how does Brown get suspended for three games while Rodgers gets fined 14k?
 

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The big thing I think with Rodgers was that Rodgers never lied to the league and said he was vaccinated. The league knew he wasn't vaccinated (which made them not cracking down on him not following the protocols so ugly). Brown has made the cardinal mistake of trying to trick the shield and not just the media, so he is getting hit with the suspension.
 

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Brown is not vaccinated and produced a fake vaccine card.

Rodgers was cute with the public and his "immunized" comment, but did not mislead the league. He told them he was not vaccinated.

Rodgers should've gotten more than a slap on the wrist for violating protocols as an unvaxxed player, but the distinction between the two is Rodgers never misled the league while Brown did.
 

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If the Pats allowed Alex Fucking Guerrero to collect vaccine cards on AB - yeah, I'd be giving BB shit for it.
That's where Arians (or whoever is in charge) is at fault, IMO. If Brady wants Guerrero fine. But in anything remotely "medical" involving other players, he *should* be a million miles away.
 
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Brown is not vaccinated and produced a fake vaccine card.

Rodgers was cute with the public and his "immunized" comment, but did not mislead the league. He told them he was not vaccinated.

Rodgers should've gotten more than a slap on the wrist for violating protocols as an unvaxxed player, but the distinction between the two is Rodgers never misled the league while Brown did.
I don’t disagree, but both put others at risk because of their actions. This is where the league goes wrong, in my opinion. They get tangled in distinctions and lose sight of principles. It’s a maladroit way to discipline.
 

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Defector just published an actual researched (ie made phone calls to former players) article about the AB card situation. It's quite enlightening. I don't have a sub to Defector but usually they give you one free article a week or so, go read it, it's pretty informative.

How did AB's fake vaccine card fool the Bucs?
For once they're providing actual news.

Main points:

- AB showed up with a fake card he bought from Franklin. He then apparently got vaccinated later because he realized he could get in trouble for faking it, but by that point his fake card had already been submitted to the league via the team (and Guerrero). As always AB is an idiot of immense proportions.
- Arians, Brady and the Bucs pushed all the players hard to get vaccinated
- The former players and agents interviewed say that they assumed some players were cut from the team in large part because they weren't vaxxed.
 
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Thought this was a telling quote, and in a way summed upon what it was like rooting for him on the Pats toward the end. When the standards are that high only a SB win brings the joy.

“I think if anything, the most challenging part is the emotional aspect of football for me,” Brady says. “When we lose, it’s depressing. When we win, it’s a relief. It’s not like the joy, the happiness—it’s a relief. Because when we win, sometimes just winning isn’t good enough for you, because you expect perfection, and when you expect perfection and it’s less than perfect, you feel like there’s a down part to that.”