"Tom vs. Time" - new Brady documentary

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I'm just stunned - you guys are smarter than this. If he thinks it's actually helping people, it's because he's been thoroughly taken by a scam artist - and that is exactly what Alex Guerrero is. He claimed in the past that nutritional supplements can cure cancer. There's the concussion water thing. There's also his obsession with "muscle pliability", which is something he made up. There's the claim that drinking water protects from sunburns. And that's just what I know without actually doing a deep dive into all of the nonsense they're selling. I'm sure there's a lot more BS in there.

It's all complete bullshit, and if it wasn't Tom Brady shilling it, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to see that. I'm willing to give you that maybe Brady has good intentions here and isn't just trying to make a buck (thought that requires being very charitable to his intentions). But you can't try to make Guerrero look good - he's not, and Brady's association with him is shameful.
Interesting take. Where is your MD from?
 

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Tom Brady is one wacky dude off the field. Who gives a shit? Trump hats, fur boots, bad hair, concussion water. I’ll take them all after those last two drives in the Super Bowl. At this point I’m just hoping he doesn’t go all Curt Schilling dark when he hangs it up in 2024. But even if he does, I’ll still love him.
 

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Really? How so?

I love that he's the quarterback of my favorite football team, but Tom Brady is a snooze. (Which is fine, BTW. I don't care if he can carry a conversation, I just care that he can throw a football a long way and accurately.)
Seriously, I've long since made peace with the fact Joe Montana seems to be kind of a douche off-field, and isn't very interesting.

Tom Brady isn't going to be your friend.

I just got around to looking at this Chopra's wiki page, and it was actually Eli's favorite receiver: "Later in 2015, Gotham directed and produced 'I Am Giant', a feature documentary on New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz." It looks like this is what he does. The Brady documentary is just the latest in a series that has included Kobe Bryant, Cruz, and some cricket player.
Not that I blame you, but it's funny that some cricket player is Sachin Tendulkar, who is probably more famous than everybody else Gotham Chopra has documented combined. 23.2 million Twitter followers, something even Kobe is nowhere near.
 

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Interesting take. Where is your MD from?
Please refer to the fivethirtyeight article posted above - I didn't link it, but I'd read it before I posted and it informed much of what I wrote. It's hilarious that you're challenging me on this when the actual doctors have already spoken - Guerrero is full of shit. By the way, feel free to post anything that supports the efficacy of his snake oil. I'd be happy to give it a look.
 

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It is possible to be a Patriots fan who is very happy that Tom Brady has defied the normal athletic aging curve thus far and is still performing at an MVP level, while also remaining skeptical of the supposed effectiveness of the 'TB12 method' and Alex Guerrero in general. I don't doubt that Guerrero's work helps Brady stay on the field but IMO it also appears that Tom is remarkably dedicated to his training and lifestyle regimen even by the standards of modern high-performance athletes - I have to believe that dedication plays a big part in his continued success.
 

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Seriously, I've long since made peace with the fact Joe Montana seems to be kind of a douche off-field, and isn't very interesting.

Tom Brady isn't going to be your friend.



Not that I blame you, but it's funny that some cricket player is Sachin Tendulkar, who is probably more famous than everybody else Gotham Chopra has documented combined. 23.2 million Twitter followers, something even Kobe is nowhere near.
23.2 million, but that is in India, where that is like the number of people who clicked the like button by accident while scrolling through.

(I kid, I kid. But there are a ton of people in India. Regional fame vs worldwide fame is an interesting thing to argue.)
 

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crow is 100% right. If it was the DJ2 or CC52 method and there was a sleazy quack and infomerical-esque documentary involved, you guys would be ruthless. You'd tear it to shreds, and you'd be correct in doing so (and by the way I completely fail to see how The Players' Tribune really compares, regardless of how you feel about it).
RE2PECT.
 

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Saw this coming a mile away. OK. Whatever.
Well, it was the obvious response to your claim that Jeter's activities were nothing like Brady's TB12 brand and it undercuts your premise. Are we supposed to ignore it?

I don't fundamentally disagree with you about Brady's association with Alex Guerrero. But you may be overselling the "you guys would be ruthless if this were a NY figure" angle. At the end of the day, it's a sports figure trying to establish a personal brand so he can separate you from your dollars just like Michael Jordan, Derek Jeter, Big Baller Brand (hilariously) and many, many others. In all cases, the product in question will never live up to the implied promise to make you just like your hero.

Caveat emptor.
 

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23.2 million, but that is in India, where that is like the number of people who clicked the like button by accident while scrolling through.

(I kid, I kid. But there are a ton of people in India. Regional fame vs worldwide fame is an interesting thing to argue.)
Well, once you add Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and all of the other cricket playing nations, you're probably looking at a quarter of the world.

But I just thought it was funny. In South Asia they're calling Gotham Chopra a documentarian who made a movie about Sachin Tendulkar and some basketball player and American football player.
 

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Well, once you add Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and all of the other cricket playing nations, you're probably looking at a quarter of the world.

But I just thought it was funny. In South Asia they're calling Gotham Chopra a documentarian who made a movie about Sachin Tendulkar and some basketball player and American football player.
I love that you feel the need to haughtily point stuff like this out. As if some cricket player would ever matter to a US audience. It's not knowledge to point out cricket is extremely popular in other parts of the world.
 

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Please refer to the fivethirtyeight article posted above - I didn't link it, but I'd read it before I posted and it informed much of what I wrote. It's hilarious that you're challenging me on this when the actual doctors have already spoken - Guerrero is full of shit. By the way, feel free to post anything that supports the efficacy of his snake oil. I'd be happy to give it a look.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

Traditional medical doctors have and will always denigrate unconventional methods. It’s counterintuitive to their training and just as we criticize TB/AG for promoting their business venture, the same applies to a normal doctor. They have bills to pay too.

That the link (which you couldn’t bother link) goes to an article with quotes from doctors that say it’s snake oil means just as little as saying ‘look at the results’. It may or may not work, but medicine and fitness and nutrition isn’t that cut and dry. I’ve had doctors on this very cite tell me not to go to a chiropractor, go to a back doctor and yet the chiropractor took care of my issues. You have yoga, acupuncture, aromatherapy, vitamin regiments, etc, that your average pcp will tell you aren’t worth the money, don’t waste your time, do the traditional treatment. Different strokes for different folks. Health and nutrition and fitness and all that are extremely hard to get a grasp on.

That he has had issues with false claims before doesn’t by definition negate his claims about what he suggests to TB. It certainly seems to work for TB. So who gives a shit if it’s placebo effect or if it’s snake oil? It works well enough that enough players felt it did to upset the establishment and start the bullshit we have listening to.

Is TB weird about it? Absolutely. Is there an agenda for both of the two to some extent? Not arguing that. But a handful of cherry picked quotes from others who also have an agenda aren’t exactly proof positive. Which is why I was asking if you had more to go on then some article you read.
 

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

Traditional medical doctors have and will always denigrate unconventional methods. It’s counterintuitive to their training and just as we criticize TB/AG for promoting their business venture, the same applies to a normal doctor. They have bills to pay too.

That the link (which you couldn’t bother link) goes to an article with quotes from doctors that say it’s snake oil means just as little as saying ‘look at the results’. It may or may not work, but medicine and fitness and nutrition isn’t that cut and dry. I’ve had doctors on this very cite tell me not to go to a chiropractor, go to a back doctor and yet the chiropractor took care of my issues. You have yoga, acupuncture, aromatherapy, vitamin regiments, etc, that your average pcp will tell you aren’t worth the money, don’t waste your time, do the traditional treatment. Different strokes for different folks. Health and nutrition and fitness and all that are extremely hard to get a grasp on.

That he has had issues with false claims before doesn’t by definition negate his claims about what he suggests to TB. It certainly seems to work for TB. So who gives a shit if it’s placebo effect or if it’s snake oil? It works well enough that enough players felt it did to upset the establishment and start the bullshit we have listening to.

Is TB weird about it? Absolutely. Is there an agenda for both of the two to some extent? Not arguing that. But a handful of cherry picked quotes from others who also have an agenda aren’t exactly proof positive. Which is why I was asking if you had more to go on then some article you read.
The reason doctors tell you that is because they actually test whether things work or not. They set up systematic tests and show their methods and results. They review data to make sure results are real and not just statistical anomalies. They publish them. And then other actually qualified people review them, and test again to replicate the results. An unconventional method would be accepted just fine if it was shown to work. And plenty of them have been. But Chiropractors, acupuncture, aromatherapy, vitamin treatments, and especially Alex Guerrero make wild claims with no evidence and then hide behind anecdotes to "prove" their methods. That is basically fraud. Those doctors were just protecting you from having your money taken in return for a sham, being given treatments that could injure you further, or the possibility of you engaging in those treatments instead of ones that actually would help you. But your anecdotal evidence proves it works, so good luck with it.

Rejecting "western medicine" is just rejecting common sense and science. And every time someone promotes an "alternative therapy" with scientific terms meant to mislead the public into thinking it is actual science, they make the public a little more confused, less informed, and ultimately dumber.
 

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Which is all well and good and accurate in a grand scheme, but alternative medicine shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, especially in something like nutrition or fitness.

We’ve gone through how many cycles of what is good or bad for you nutritionally? Doctors said margarine was better for you than butter. Nope, whoops. Forget that. Fat is really bad for you. No wait, after decades we found out that certain types of fat are actually good for you, others are bad. Cholesterol. Carbs. Sugars and artificials. At various points everything has been championed and everything has been debunked. And with the correctly driven agenda, you can promote anything you want and pay someone to say it - witness the tobacco lobby and their doctors.

Chiropractors and acupuncturists are not by definitions a sham simply because they aren’t ‘western medicine’. If they work for you, better than western methods, why shouldn’t one utilize them to be in their best shape and condition? Same with diet or fitness?

As stated he absolutely should get shit about his cancer cure or his concussion water, but his nutrition and training techniques are not ‘proven’ in any way shape or form to be universal more or less than any other. This isn’t ‘you need a hip replacement, so we are going to give you some lavender oil, it will clear it up’. It’s not all one size fit alls. If they want to promote their diet program and training technique, it works for TB and other players, then leave it alone. Yes, if it’s causing friction, make adjustments to the set up, but if you go to ten different trainers and nutritionists - that you’d consider more mainstream - you’re going to get ten different plans and opinions on what you should be eating, how you should exercise, etc.

TB is clearly a bit of a kook, in a lot of senses, but I’m having trouble buying into the concept that players are only using AG because they feel pressured to do it. And his cookbooks and stuff have some weird little nuggets like no tomatoes or whatever, but it’s not a huge variation on many other diets out their. It’s the nature of the beast. Seems to be working out for him ok.
 
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brady might be the best player ever but he is milk-toast boring which is cool with me but Brady can not have it both ways to build 'his brand' and still win super bowls

i think he will play uthill there is nothing left as long as his arm does not get as bad as manning Brady could try to play 8- 9 more seasons as homely i see a showdown in 2020 or 2021 over Brady where Kraft would want to ride out the last 3-4 years no matter how bad but bill will want to start fresh

the good news is NE Couild win the next 4 super bowls meaning 6 in 7 years
the bad after 2020 or 2021 u are likely headed for a reset that couild be 5 years or 30 years
 

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brady might be the best player ever but he is milk-toast boring which is cool with me but Brady can not have it both ways to build 'his brand' and still win super bowls

i think he will play uthill there is nothing left as long as his arm does not get as bad as manning Brady could try to play 8- 9 more seasons as homely i see a showdown in 2020 or 2021 over Brady where Kraft would want to ride out the last 3-4 years no matter how bad but bill will want to start fresh

the good news is NE Couild win the next 4 super bowls meaning 6 in 7 years
the bad after 2020 or 2021 u are likely headed for a reset that couild be 5 years or 30 years

Boring != milquetoast. I think he is only boring because he is very on script. I think Brady uncensored would be pretty funny and I use his Isis line to this day.
 

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crow is 100% right. If it was the DJ2 or CC52 method and there was a sleazy quack and infomerical-esque documentary involved, you guys would be ruthless. You'd tear it to shreds, and you'd be correct in doing so (and by the way I completely fail to see how The Players' Tribune really compares, regardless of how you feel about it). Unfortunately, I'm not sure we'll be able to rationally discuss these things until this Patriots dynasty ends. Right now, (most, not all) Pats fans are in full-on 1997-2005 entitled Yankees fans mode and a lot of them will defend almost anything related to Brady - even the things that are really difficult to defend. I get it, I've been there - in the moment, I desperately looked for a way to defend A-Rod's slap. But I know from experience that once the ride ends, you come back to reality and regain some perspective. I look forward to that happening for some Pats fans. Till then, the rest of us will be over here shitting all over the TB12 method.
I know that some Pats fans will agree with you but this is such a massive overgeneralization. Sure, some Pats fans are entitled. Show me any fanbase that has enjoyed massive success in any sport that does not have such fans within it.

But Pats fans come in all shapes and sizes. MANY Pats fans that I know have memories that date back to the 70s (and some even the 60s). I grew up with a team that was in some years a contender, often a laughingstock and often like a Charlie Brown franchise with so many near misses and oddball events like Coach Fairbanks taking a job on the eve of the playoffs. As much as I have enjoyed the Brady/BB years, I've been in full "pinch me/am I dreaming?" mode for every minute of it. I am hardly alone in that; I've heard countless fans repeat it, many on this board.

As to Brady, yeah, he's all in on his methods, some of them seem dubious, and he wants to make this his calling. You can call me whatever you want, but I have listened to him on his weekly Monday morning WEEI segments for years, and my take is that he truly believes in the TB12 Method and truly believes it will help people. Is it about money? Yes, of course. We live in a country where making money is permitted and even encouraged. But he's rich as can be, his wife is too, and he could also make money by endorsing products left and right, and way more than he already does. My take is that it's more about sincere belief than straight cash. He sure sounds like a guy who thinks he's stumbled on a true game changer.

I'm psyched that Tom is doing a documentary and I will get an increased vista into him. But I watch every ESPN30, HBO Sports documentary, NFL Life and other show of that ilk. I like seeing these guys outside the playing arena and seeing a little bit behind the curtain. Would I mock Derek Jeter if he did the same thing? Maybe. But I would more likely mock the media for having a full on sportsrgasm each time he made anything but a routine play in the infield or hm for handing the Yankees Giancarlo Stanton for a bag of balls and his other questionable moves since he took over the Marlins.

So when you say that we'll defend anything Tom does, you paint with a brush that assumes every Pats fan is about the same and doesn't account for differences, and you inherently are assuming that Tom needs defending. You also assume that we see things in black and white. The reality is that many fans of all teams see things in shades of grey. For me, Tom is a sincere guy who believes in some things that seem hokey to me, but I am sure as shit glad that he believes as strongly in him as he does, as I think it helps him be a better QB -- both his confidence in the method and the result of his training. There's no denying that he is playing uncommonly well for his age, so keep doing whatever you are doing, Tom. Maybe you referring back to DG, and assume his actions there need defending.

Bottom line, I totally reject the notion that my perspective will change when they come back to earth or that it should. I KNOW that one day the Pats will be mediocre or worse. I am soaking up every second of this now, appreciate how freaking lucky I am to root for this team, and think that nothing about the QB doing a documentary about himself needs defending.
 
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I love that you feel the need to haughtily point stuff like this out. As if some cricket player would ever matter to a US audience. It's not knowledge to point out cricket is extremely popular in other parts of the world.
The point isn't "hay guyz, u kno cricket??!11", the point is that it's funny to see Tendulkar reduced to "some cricket player" when for probably two billion people he's far and away the most famous person Gotham Chopra has ever profiled.
 

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Not that I blame you, but it's funny that some cricket player is Sachin Tendulkar, who is probably more famous than everybody else Gotham Chopra has documented combined. 23.2 million Twitter followers, something even Kobe is nowhere near.
That's funny, yeah, pretty much the Pele of his sport... "some cricket player". Somewhere on the Sons of Sourav Ganguly, the posts saying Chopra is doing a profile of "some american football player" would make us cringe.

There was a great profile of him on ESPN, that someone posted here a few years ago. If you've never watched a minute of cricket, and even if you never intend to, that article will really illuminate that side of the sporting world in a matter of a few minutes.
 

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Which is all well and good and accurate in a grand scheme, but alternative medicine shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, especially in something like nutrition or fitness.

We’ve gone through how many cycles of what is good or bad for you nutritionally? Doctors said margarine was better for you than butter. Nope, whoops. Forget that. Fat is really bad for you. No wait, after decades we found out that certain types of fat are actually good for you, others are bad. Cholesterol. Carbs. Sugars and artificials. At various points everything has been championed and everything has been debunked. And with the correctly driven agenda, you can promote anything you want and pay someone to say it - witness the tobacco lobby and their doctors.
That science and medicine continue to test their assumptions and change their advice with new evidence is actually its key strength in this argument. That "alternative" sources create a hypothesis, never test it, and keep selling it no matter what evidence is presented to them (and then complain of a conspiracy created by those people who actually have to prove things) is its great weakness.

Chiropractors and acupuncturists are not by definitions a sham simply because they aren’t ‘western medicine’. If they work for you, better than western methods, why shouldn’t one utilize them to be in their best shape and condition? Same with diet or fitness?
No they are a sham because they do no testing of their methods and have no basis for the wild claims they make about being able to cure anything. "If they work for you" thinking just empowers self-delusion and enables these con-men in their continued quest to separate you from your money.

As stated he absolutely should get shit about his cancer cure or his concussion water, but his nutrition and training techniques are not ‘proven’ in any way shape or form to be universal more or less than any other. This isn’t ‘you need a hip replacement, so we are going to give you some lavender oil, it will clear it up’. It’s not all one size fit alls. If they want to promote their diet program and training technique, it works for TB and other players, then leave it alone. Yes, if it’s causing friction, make adjustments to the set up, but if you go to ten different trainers and nutritionists - that you’d consider more mainstream - you’re going to get ten different plans and opinions on what you should be eating, how you should exercise, etc.

TB is clearly a bit of a kook, in a lot of senses, but I’m having trouble buying into the concept that players are only using AG because they feel pressured to do it. And his cookbooks and stuff have some weird little nuggets like no tomatoes or whatever, but it’s not a huge variation on many other diets out their. It’s the nature of the beast. Seems to be working out for him ok.
So you're saying that a proven con artist should be given the benefit of the doubt when he makes wild claims about his secret magical massage and diet program that will reprogram your body? Because a guy who was already a world class athlete was duped by him, so it must be true?
 
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Getting back on topic a bit, Curran had Chopra on his podcast this week (sorry, no link) and discussed their conversation on NBC Sports Boston last night and what he expects from Tom Vs. Time.

Basically, Curran thinks that while Brady did have final say about what would and wouldn't be in this documentary, there would be some value to it. He didn't get the sense from Chopra that he was interested in directing a straight-up informercial for TB12 -- and that Brady and Chopra had been discussing something like this for a while. Chopra seemed to think actually doing a documentary on this had more to do with Brady being acutely aware of the time factor given #DFG, his mother's illness and his own age -- and wanting to document this part of his life while he was still playing.

If nothing else, I think we are going to see a side of Brady we either haven't seen or haven't really seen much of. It won't be anything Brady doesn't want us to see -- but as I said upthread, given how little we've actually seen that alone could be interesting.
 

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crow is 100% right. If it was the DJ2 or CC52 method and there was a sleazy quack and infomerical-esque documentary involved, you guys would be ruthless. You'd tear it to shreds,
Who gives a shit? Are you pretending it's a news flash that FANS look more kindly on their own players?

Thanks. Film at 11.

Next week's lead story: "Patriots fans love when iffy calls go in their favor, but laugh at Jesse James TD reversal? You won't believe what we found!"
 

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That science and medicine continue to test their assumptions and change their advice with new evidence is actually its key strength in this argument. That "alternative" sources create a hypothesis, never test it, and keep selling it no matter what evidence is presented to them (and then complain of a conspiracy created by those people who actually have to prove things) is its great weakness.



No they are a sham because they do no testing of their methods and have no basis for the wild claims they make about being able to cure anything. "If they work for you" thinking just empowers self-delusion and enables these con-men in their continued quest to separate you from your money.



So you're saying that a proven con artist should be given the benefit of the doubt when he makes wild claims about his secret magical massage and diet program that will reprogram your body? Because a guy who was already a world class athlete was duped by him, so it must be true?
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That was great. It's still amazing to me that this guy who we just watched play the other day is 40.

I remember a 40 year old quarterback being a guy like Steve DeBerg or a Mark Brunell who could barely throw the ball 35 yards without looking like he was heaving a bowling ball with every last bit of strength he had. I know we've all seen the clips of Brady coming out of college, scrawny and nonathletic and looking like he had never seen a weightroom in his life. A guy who never had the physical tools of a Michael Vick (37 years old now), Vince Young (34 years old), Donovan McNabb (41 years old), or even Kyle Boller (36 years old).

The fact that Brady is still playing at an MVP level while those other guys have been sitting on a rocking chair for the last handful of years is... astounding.
 

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Loved it too. Fascinating how absolutely f**king pissed off he was after losing the Chiefs game on opening night, and Giselle consoling him in what I thought was a logical way explaining how it takes time to build a team, familiarity with teammates, etc. The tension of his seething was almost palpable (seething because of the loss, not because of what Giselle was saying).
 
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Getting back on topic a bit, Curran had Chopra on his podcast this week (sorry, no link) and discussed their conversation on NBC Sports Boston last night and what he expects from Tom Vs. Time.

Basically, Curran thinks that while Brady did have final say about what would and wouldn't be in this documentary, there would be some value to it. He didn't get the sense from Chopra that he was interested in directing a straight-up informercial for TB12 -- and that Brady and Chopra had been discussing something like this for a while. Chopra seemed to think actually doing a documentary on this had more to do with Brady being acutely aware of the time factor given #DFG, his mother's illness and his own age -- and wanting to document this part of his life while he was still playing.

If nothing else, I think we are going to see a side of Brady we either haven't seen or haven't really seen much of. It won't be anything Brady doesn't want us to see -- but as I said upthread, given how little we've actually seen that alone could be interesting.
Your opinion in the last sentences of your post were spot on. I hadn't ever seen the sides of Brady that I saw on the first episode. It wasn't just a TB12 Method informercial although there was a lot of that in there. I never felt like I was being sold something.
 

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Loved it too. Fascinating how absolutely f**king pissed off he was after losing the Chiefs game on opening night, and Giselle consoling him in what I thought was a logical way explaining how it takes time to build a team, familiarity with teammates, etc. The tension of his seething was almost palpable (seething because of the loss, not because of what Giselle was saying).
Yep this was probably the best part of the entire episode.
 

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It's fantastic. And it really pulls back the curtain on just how insanely driven Brady is, to the point where I can't imagine living that way.
 

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I'll echo others and say this was pretty cool to watch, though I don't think it really told us anything we didn't already know. It just crystallizes it and puts it more into focus. Personally, I thought the interactions with his kids and his family were the best parts, because they humanize someone who is so easy to view as a fucking insane ninja football robot.

I'll also add that I'm one of those who thinks his affiliation with Alex Guerrero is kind of gross, and I cringed when he showed up on screen. But I was pleasantly surprised that the one time they showed an interview clip of Guerrero, it was focusing more on mental preparation than on snake oil snacks or magic PJs. It was something about preparing Brady's mind to get used to being hit before the season, so that his mind comes to expect the hits that he takes during the season, instead of them being a shock to the system. I found myself nodding along, like, "Oh cool, I can buy that." The human brain is a crazy thing.
 

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That scene in the car after the Chiefs game was indeed the highlight. For one minute you forget the stature of the two of them and it just becomes a woman and her husband, driving home from a bad day at work. Oh. Right. They are humans.
 

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I find it very strange that there are people who believe Brady was seduced by Guerrero, a snake oil salesman, and is used as a puppet for him to create a health/fitness empire based only on pseudoscience.

Brady has talked about how much his shoulder hurt after practices when he was in his 20's, and how sore he'd be after games, you really don't think following Guerrero's method improved things for him on that front? Because I think that's why he became so enthusiastic about it, he had tangible, non placebo results that have helped him maintain a high level of performance in his 40's.
I don't like Guerrero either, and a lot of what he preaches is obvious bullshit, but even if the rest is just common sense stuff (work on pliability, hidrate, eat well, rest, don't overwork your muscles) it's shady that he sells it as a revolutionary method, but I don't think every aspect of it is made up and that Brady is just entranced by Guerrero's personality. He became a believer because it very likely made a real difference for him.
 

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That scene in the car after the Chiefs game was indeed the highlight. For one minute you forget the stature of the two of them and it just becomes a woman and her husband, driving home from a bad day at work. Oh. Right. They are humans.
I enjoyed the real ness of Tom flooring it as Giselle is trying to make him feel better. If they showed another minute of that exchange, I’m sure the next words out of her mouth were “Tom, slow down, you’re driving like a maniac”
 

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I love that you feel the need to haughtily point stuff like this out. As if some cricket player would ever matter to a US audience. It's not knowledge to point out cricket is extremely popular in other parts of the world.
Sorry for replying to an old post but just catching up with the thread. Anyway:
- it wasn’t remotely haughty?
- this is a sports message board
- Tendulkar is a household name not just in India but probably in large swaths of the UK, South Africa, and Australia. He’s one of the best ever to play the game.

Are we at SoSH a “US audience”? If we’re claiming to be above the fray, I think it’s okay to actually know or point out Sachin Tendulkar’s name.
 

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I'll echo others and say this was pretty cool to watch, though I don't think it really told us anything we didn't already know. It just crystallizes it and puts it more into focus. Personally, I thought the interactions with his kids and his family were the best parts, because they humanize someone who is so easy to view as a fucking insane ninja football robot.
"DAD! DAD!.... DAD!...I'M GOING TO SOCCER!!"

That was awesome.