When TB12 goes goop and woo with his wife in retirement, are you guys going to turn on him? I have a feeling it's coming (it's kind of already here, let's be honest). I don't mind it, but that type of stuff is normally frowned upon here.
Am I missing understanding of a common phrase? I have no idea what you're saying here.When TB12 goes goop and woo with his wife in retirement, are you guys going to turn on him? I have a feeling it's coming (it's kind of already here, let's be honest). I don't mind it, but that type of stuff is normally frowned upon here.
Goop is a lifestyle brand. People accuse the brand of promoting woo*. TB12 method stuff shares some of these characteristics. I expect Tom to really promote this type of stuff once he retires. I have no problem with it, but it might be little out there for some of our SoSH bretheren.Am I missing understanding of a common phrase? I have no idea what you're saying here.
I'm not taking anyone to task. I already mentioned Goop and I have no problem with it. So why would I ask someone's spouse about it.- There's a SoSHer married to a fairly famous celebrity who promotes what you'd call "woo" here, in service of her lifestyle brand. Why not take him to task first, before pre-emptively taking Brady fans to task for a hypothetical? I can think of a few possible answers, none of them very flattering.
I'm still not following the connection between "you guys" (Brady fans here) being fans of watching him play football, and being fans of whatever products he attempts to sell, as if normal people don't have multiple differing opinions about different things.
I'm likewise not following the imagined chain of events where he retires, he ramps up his lifestyle-brand business, it continues to be pseudoscientific, and... what exactly constitutes "turning on him", again? Toppling the statue of him that they'll have put up outside Gillette the day he retires?
He's a great player, and his prep work is amazing. I love watching him play.When TB12 goes goop and woo with his wife in retirement, are you guys going to turn on him? I have a feeling it's coming (it's kind of already here, let's be honest). I don't mind it, but that type of stuff is normally frowned upon here.
I’m pretty much here. While I usually don’t have a whole of tolerance for woo and the like, he’s Tom F’ing Brady. He’ll be god to me forever unless he does something truly terrible. And I think, and I admit I obviously have some bias here, that he legitimately believes in his method and wants to help people. He doesn’t strike me as just your garden variety snake oil salesman.Tom Brady is a diety to me. I don’t care what sub-scientific thing he promotes, I will never say a bad thing about him
Or reverse mortgage commercialsAs long as he doesn't do annoying Medicare coverage helpline commercials when hes an old man, I am fine with post playing Brady.
The big jump is between points one and two.- I enjoy watching him play football. once that's done, I'm going to have a lot of goodwill towards him for all the joy he gave me doing that.
- That means he's going to get the benefit of the doubt, and an instinctive defense of his reputation, from most of us
I agree with a lot of this. I don’t think TB12 is trying to make money as much as he believes in the stuff and wants to change how people think about their health and nutrition. As someone who has partaken in the gluten-free “fad” the last 9 months and seen ALL of my 25 year-long gastrointestinal issues and almost ALL of my arthritic/inflammatory joint issues virtually disappear overnight, it doesn’t seem like a stretch to think hydration and diet play a large role in what ills society. To me, people jump all over the “concussion water” stuff but ignore the main tenants which seem to be hydration, plant-based diet, stretching etc. I think the criticism surrounding Guerrero is fair — and I think TB12 is generally a weird dude whom I probably wouldn’t hang out with, but so much of the TB12 method stuff is blown way out of proportion in my opionion.I think he truly believes in most of his diet stuff. I don't think he is selling it to make a buck. I think he is selling it because he thinks it works and it will help people be healthier. Most of his advice isn't bad. We should all drink more water and eat more of a plant-based diet.
There was a post somewhere recently about Belichick and Spygate that basically said Belichick feels like he needs to work harder/do more. Even when he has done all the necessary prep work for a game he feels the need to do more. That is how Belichick is wired and this drives him to obsessively hoard tapes to watch even if there was a negligible positive impact on his game planning.
I feel like Brady takes his diet to a similar level of obsession but let's face it - he looks healthier today than he did 15 years ago.
Some (though not all) of the ideas Brady has associated himself with are, frankly, kooky and unsupported by facts. He may well end up peddling or standing for things that seem just as or more kooky to me in the years to come. He has also brought me great joy as a Pats fan, and has achievements unlikely to be seen again in the NFL. I look forward to remembering and contemplating his and the Pats' football achievements for as long as I'm around.When TB12 goes goop and woo with his wife in retirement, are you guys going to turn on him? I have a feeling it's coming (it's kind of already here, let's be honest). I don't mind it, but that type of stuff is normally frowned upon here.
Seriously. TB12 is a lifestyle process that focuses on health and low inflammation. It has helped Brady quite a bit. The proof is that Brady is 41, he never gets hurt and, um, he just won the Super Bowl.Further, if TB12 says the TB12 method has helped him sustain his career, then I believe it's worthwhile.
Exactly; maybe it wouldn't work for everyone but clearly Brady's lifestyle has aided him in sustaining his personal health and fitness to some degree. Some of the stuff he does seems pretty questionable, but other things, such as stressing flexibility over muscle-mass, seem pretty logical to my unscientific brain.Seriously. TB12 is a lifestyle process that focuses on health and low inflammation. It has helped Brady quite a bit. The proof is that Brady is 41, he never gets hurt and, um, he just won the Super Bowl.
Been there done thatI don't think anyone turned on Big Papi when he did this
Could TB12 do anything worse than that? I doubt it.
It’s pretty common for athletes to believe whatever they’ve done is the best of all possible methods. There’s almost a superstition to it. And there’s no real way to prove or disprove them. Like some people thing a steak or a beer or whatever is what made them successful.
I knew a guy, jacked as hell, did the same workout every day. He was convinced that was the way to life. He was bigger than me, so what could I say?
Neurobiologists have been studying the placebo effect for upwards of seventy years now and there are, at best, only partial explanations for why it works.I'm actually really interested in why the woo stuff seems to work. Almost every top performer is religous in some way, whether traditionally or at least adhering to a life philosophy in a devout way. It seems the devotion leads to results regardless of the exact set of beliefs and practices.
This is absolutely true and why the TB12 stuff doesn’t bother me that much if he thinks it works and doesn’t get him suspended. In the Lane Johnson’s infamous “Patriots don’t have fun” PMT interview, he was also cracking jokes about the TB12 method and nightshades. A few minutes later he was preaching about cold exposure and holding his breath as reasons he’s been able to stay healthy. He weirdly didn’t bring up all the steroidsIt’s pretty common for athletes to believe whatever they’ve done is the best of all possible methods. There’s almost a superstition to it. And there’s no real way to prove or disprove them. Like some people thing a steak or a beer or whatever is what made them successful.
I knew a guy, jacked as hell, did the same workout every day. He was convinced that was the way to lift. He was bigger than me, so what could I say?
Neurobiologists have been studying the placebo effect for upwards of seventy years now and there are, at best, only partial explanations for why it works.
The diet stuff is probably alright once you take out the more outrageous claims (like only using non-iodized salt, or whatever).
The TB12 exercise work (pliability) seems to be the key for him in terms of avoiding injury. He doesn't want to get bulked up, he wants to remain flexible.
The guy is not exactly David Boston or LeRon Landry out there.
Before this post gets totally submerged in the more serious conversation that followed, let's all just pause and recognize what an entirely apt and awesome typo this was.Tom Brady is a diety to me. I don’t care what sub-scientific thing he promotes....
Before this post gets totally submerged in the more serious conversation that followed, let's all just pause and recognize what an entirely apt and awesome typo this was.
edit: perhaps a thread title? Tom Brady: Diety or Deity?
That is really odd. I know Stan Efferding, who is a very successful powerlifter and bodybuilder, has been pushing a diet that stresses high intake of iodized salt because of its effect on thyroid production.Only using non-iodized salt is weird. I've read that the prevalence of non-iodized salt is a problem for thyroid especially in men (leads to low testosterone type issues). I need to look into this more.
Why? Who gives a shit what his personal stuff is? Don't murder anyone or commit sexual assault and you're good.Aside from going full Schilling, I’d also be disappointed if he went full Scientologist.
No and his wife seems to be a champion of conservation and other causes that are fairly anti-MAGA, so I find it hard to believe he’s anything like Schilling. But who knows what any of these guys are really like.Outside of a MAGA hat in his locker (presumably given to him from Kraft on a request from Trump) is there any reason to believe there is a far-right wing nut job/racist residing inside TB12? I'm a fan and blind to reason, but is there any evidence that he exhibits hateful behavior of any kind?