Three True Outcomes, The Bobby Dalbec Thread.

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Or Chaim can split the difference and pursue an affordable upgrade to help solidify things, extend the batting order and keep the Sox in playoff contention in the interim and call Duran up later if they feel it's beneficial to both him and the team.
Yes, this is pretty much what I was trying to say ...Meanwhile (shhhh), Dalbec showing little signs of growth past couple games ... I dunno ... let's see!
 

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CJ Cron has been kind of terrible this year. I get that he's been better than Dalbec, but he's got an ISO of .158 while playing half his games at Coors. In 2019, he was also pretty much replacement player. His last good normal season was in 2018. Obivously, 2020 isn't his fault and he was very productive that season, but I'm not sure if he's an answer to extending the line up.

If we displace Dalbec, I hope it is for someone who isn't hitting about as well as Dalbec has over 20/21.
Cron’s had a rough few weeks since returning from the IL (lower back strain) but he was fantastic before that.

Through May 5: .290/.394./.495, 133 wRC+ in 109 PA
May 18-June 11: .186/.284/.271, 47 wRC+ in 67 PA

He’s had some bad luck and launch angle issues lately, but his EV has been just as good so he doesn’t seem hurt. I wouldn’t be surprised if playing in Colorado right now is a little demoralizing too. I think he’ll rebound okay.
 

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Dalbec is reminding me of rookie year Mike Schmidt with more power but more misses.
.196 with 18HRs. (325obp/370 slg.
 

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I'm warming up to the idea of a trade for Carlos Santana. He'd have the second highest OBP on the Sox right now (.366 which is also his career average). Last year of his contract, paying him $7 million. He has experience in the lead off spot and is currently hitting second for KC. I'm not sure if his defense has declined at first base but it looks like he was considered a good fielder as recently as 2018.

If/when Duran gets called up, I don't picture him being put in the lead off spot any time soon. Santana could be an unconventional fit for that spot or the Sox could put Verdugo there and have Santana bat second.
 
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Except that Schmidt was three years younger.
Good point. As is the fact that Schmidt had half as many minor league PA's under his belt.

(The 73 Phillies were garbage, but beginning their upswing; noteworthy among the pitchers were Lonborg, Ken Brett and Dave Wallace)
 

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I'm warming up to the idea of a trade for Carlos Santana. He'd have the second highest OBP on the Sox right now (.366 which is also his career average). Last year of his contract, paying him $7 million. He has experience in the lead off spot and is currently hitting second for KC. I'm not sure if his defense has declined at first base but it looks like he was considered a good fielder as recently as 2018.

If/when Duran gets called up, I don't picture him being put in the lead off spot any time soon. Santana could be an unconvential fit for that spot or the Sox could put Verdugo there and have Santana bat second.
Yep I mentioned him in another thread. He’s ideal and won’t cost much of anything.
 

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Is this site accurate?

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/

We have about $1.8 million to play with to stay under the luxury tax number? I don't see any world where Bloom goes above that figure to pick up a player this season and I think it would be silly to do so. One of the reasons they traded Beni to begin with was to clear his salary from the books to sign Marwin. Unfortunately he has been terrible but I think it is more likely that we cross our fingers and hope for improvement from the players on the roster than go out and trade for a player that will cost $3 million for half a season. Or the mid-season reinforcements will be Franchy and Duran.

Also didn't realize that Santana has another year on his deal after this one? We really gonna sign on for 36 year old Carlos Santana next year at $10.5 million?

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https://www.mlb.com/news/carlos-santana-royals-deal

Santana definitely has another year on his contract after this one.
 

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Is this site accurate?

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/

We have about $1.8 million to play with to stay under the luxury tax number? I don't see any world where Bloom goes above that figure to pick up a player this season and I think it would be silly to do so. One of the reasons they traded Beni to begin with was to clear his salary from the books to sign Marwin. Unfortunately he has been terrible but I think it is more likely that we cross our fingers and hope for improvement from the players on the roster than go out and trade for a player that will cost $3 million for half a season. Or the mid-season reinforcements will be Franchy and Duran.

Also didn't realize that Santana has another year on his deal after this one? We really gonna sign on for 36 year old Carlos Santana next year at $10.5 million?

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https://www.mlb.com/news/carlos-santana-royals-deal

Santana definitely has another year on his contract after this one.
Baseball Prospectus has them at ~$4.5 mil under, but whatever the number is, it's pretty tight.

View: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWRsQNsGZkWuJZwlY8--xVBXMJGjh230D45KiHTHuvY/edit#gid=1520401900


They're definitely not adding a whole bunch of salary at the deadline.
 

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Carlos Santana is interesting since he isn't what most teams are looking for in a first baseman but he might be the perfect fit for this team. He has never been much of a power hitter but the high OBP is exactly what this team needs in front of the big 4.

The relatively high salary this year and next means the Sox could probably pick him up for very little in prospect value but I had another idea if they wanted to stay below the luxury tax line: Bobby D for Santana plus cash.

I have been a big proponent of Dalbec being a passable bat at first base but the performance so far has me starting to doubt. With Santana this year and next and Casas coming behind, there would only be a bench spot for Dalbec if they traded for Santana so perhaps they can use him to pay down some of the salary.

Maybe that is giving up to much for a smallish upgrade but Santana is exactly the kind of hitter this team is lacking right now. Either bat him as an unconventional lead off hitter or move Verdugo to lead off and Santana second if the lack of speed is a concern.
 

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KC likes Santana (for off the field as well as on the field reasons) and doesn't have an obvious replacement, and they think they can compete next season. I don't think they're going to trade him 'for very little in prospect value'.
 

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KC likes Santana (for off the field as well as on the field reasons) and doesn't have an obvious replacement, and they think they can compete next season. I don't think they're going to trade him 'for very little in prospect value'.
And eat a bunch of cash. Seems unlikely.
 

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Dalbec's last 9 games: .382/.432/.794/1.227, 1 2b, 2 3b, 3 hr, 8 rbi

Dalbec's last 28 games: .253/.304/.558/.862, 4 2b, 2 3b, 7 hr, 21 rbi

Obviously he will come back to earth here but he's starting to get positive results.
 

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Dalbec's last 9 games: .382/.432/.794/1.227, 1 2b, 2 3b, 3 hr, 8 rbi

Dalbec's last 28 games: .253/.304/.558/.862, 4 2b, 2 3b, 7 hr, 21 rbi

Obviously he will come back to earth here but he's starting to get positive results.
Those other 19 games: .180/.231/.426, 4bb/29k in 65 PA. AKA worse than his season average.

The last 9 games has his OPS+ at 89. Not far off from league average. And that's all it is. 9 games, not 28.
 

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Those other 19 games: .180/.231/.426, 4bb/29k in 65 PA. AKA worse than his season average.

The last 9 games has his OPS+ at 89. Not far off from league average. And that's all it is. 9 games, not 28.
This is his rolling average for wOBA this year. It sure looks like it's a pretty regular up and down pattern around his average instead of an overall upward trend. My guess is he's going to hit a rough patch in a bit to even things out. But as always, I'd love to be wrong and watch him rip off a few dozen games at his current peak pace.

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This is his rolling average for wOBA this year. It sure looks like it's a pretty regular up and down pattern around his average instead of an overall upward trend. My guess is he's going to hit a rough patch in a bit to even things out. But as always, I'd love to be wrong and watch him rip off a few dozen games at his current peak pace.

That would be a nice price chart of we were talking stocks... Higher highs (although sightly) and higher lows. His lows in the 20s were around 50-60... His recent lows around the 40s were almost double that. Combined with a slight increase in peak, I would say that stock is about to break out.

If only we were investing. (Shrug)
 

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KC likes Santana (for off the field as well as on the field reasons) and doesn't have an obvious replacement, and they think they can compete next season. I don't think they're going to trade him 'for very little in prospect value'.
While we certainly can’t know how KC values his leadership/intangibles, you may be right that “what another team would offer” and ”what KC will accept” are two different things. The 2 year deal definitely makes it seem like their MO is not “flip him for whatever we can get“ like we usually see with veteran deals on low budget teams.

I just don’t see how Santana on that contract has a lot of excess value. I mean Moreland at the same age and similar production is getting $2-3M per but Santana is worth $9M? It is also worth noting that the deal is backloaded so the second year is not worth as much to KC. Perhaps ”very little prospect value” is overstating it but I am thinking a couple guys on the 40 man bubble gets it done with no cash involved.

And eat a bunch of cash. Seems unlikely.
Not that this is a definitive source or anything but the Baseball Trade Values simulator shows the following values for a Santana/Dalbec swap:

Santana - $8.1M
Dalbec - $11.6M

That would put the excess cash value at $3.5M. At $8.75M AAV, a trade at the deadline would only add $2.9M to the luxury tax count anyway, so it may not take that much cash to keep them under the limit.
 

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While we certainly can’t know how KC values his leadership/intangibles
I mean, that is part of why they signed him to a surprisingly large deal just six months ago. Dayton Moore operates in a pretty specific way, much more towards the 'We Are Family' approach than the maximizing every asset one that most current GMs use. The point is I think they would prefer to keep him unless they are bowled over, and that is not Chaim's style. But yeah, if Moore likes Dalbec, that could work...
 

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Not that this is a definitive source or anything but the Baseball Trade Values simulator shows the following values for a Santana/Dalbec swap:

Santana - $8.1M
Dalbec - $11.6M

That would put the excess cash value at $3.5M. At $8.75M AAV, a trade at the deadline would only add $2.9M to the luxury tax count anyway, so it may not take that much cash to keep them under the limit.
I think from the Sox perspective, the payroll impact for next year might be a bigger thing. Bumping the spending on 1B by ~$8M might not be what they want to do. I mean, it's not back-breaking or anything, but it's $8M they could spend somewhere else. Trading Dalbec might also be putting too many eggs in the Casas basket as well. We're all hoping for Anthony Rizzo there, but he could very well go the way of Lars Anderson.
 

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I think from the Sox perspective, the payroll impact for next year might be a bigger thing. Bumping the spending on 1B by ~$8M might not be what they want to do. I mean, it's not back-breaking or anything, but it's $8M they could spend somewhere else. Trading Dalbec might also be putting too many eggs in the Casas basket as well. We're all hoping for Anthony Rizzo there, but he could very well go the way of Lars Anderson.
I guess I was assuming they would go over the line next year anyway so Santana’s money wouldn’t be a problem. But other big market teams are bending over backwards to stay under so maybe that isn’t true.
 

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Carlos Santana is a good ballplayer but I’ve never liked his bat for our park. If we’re getting a first baseman under contract for next year, I think Aguilar is likelier.

Or Trey Mancini, who fits the team’s defensive flexibility model. Mancini plays a good left field so he wouldn’t necessarily block a first baseman like Dalbec (if he’s not traded) or Casas, who’s probably a summer 2022 call-up. Mancini also gives you an in-house offensive replacement if JDM opts out this winter without a logjam if he doesn’t.
 

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Carlos Santana is a good ballplayer but I’ve never liked his bat for our park. If we’re getting a first baseman under contract for next year, I think Aguilar is likelier.
I mean, he's pretty smooth, but he's got some evil ways, although I can see him help us with winning.

But without him as leadoff, we pretty much ain't got no one to depend on
 

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Carlos Santana is a good ballplayer but I’ve never liked his bat for our park. If we’re getting a first baseman under contract for next year, I think Aguilar is likelier.

Or Trey Mancini, who fits the team’s defensive flexibility model. Mancini plays a good left field so he wouldn’t necessarily block a first baseman like Dalbec (if he’s not traded) or Casas, who’s probably a summer 2022 call-up. Mancini also gives you an in-house offensive replacement if JDM opts out this winter without a logjam if he doesn’t.
Trey Mancini is worth way more to the Orioles than to anyone else. He wouldn't be worth the kind of offer the Red Sox would have to make to pry him away.
 

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I'd really like Santana but I think with budget constraints and Dalbec seeming to heat up, that the offense isn't making any moves other than possibly promoting Duran before September so he can be on the playoff roster.
 

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Carlos Santana is a good ballplayer but I’ve never liked his bat for our park.
While I don't think Santana is likely to end up here, I do think he'd be okay at Fenway.

His xHR at Fenway over the last 3 years is +2:
Year Actual HR xHR for Fenway
2019 34 32 (-2)
2020 8 11 (+3)
2021 11 12 (+1)

Out of ballparks where he has at least 100 PAs, his tOPS+ is 4th highest at Fenway:
----- BA OBP SLG OPS tOPS+ *
Career .248 .366 .444 .810 ----
at Fenway .259 .387 .474 .861 112

*tOPS+ = OPS for Fenway split versus career, i.e. greater than 100 is better than average

His spray charts look okay. Maybe losing some doubles in RF in 2019, but possibly benefiting in other places.

2020-2021 Spray chart overlay on Fenway:
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2019 Spray chart overlay on Fenway:
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While I don't think Santana is likely to end up here, I do think he'd be okay at Fenway.

His xHR at Fenway over the last 3 years is +2:
Year Actual HR xHR for Fenway
2019 34 32 (-2)
2020 8 11 (+3)
2021 11 12 (+1)

Out of ballparks where he has at least 100 PAs, his tOPS+ is 4th highest at Fenway:
----- BA OBP SLG OPS tOPS+ *
Career .248 .366 .444 .810 ----
at Fenway .259 .387 .474 .861 112

*tOPS+ = OPS for Fenway split versus career, i.e. greater than 100 is better than average

His spray charts look okay. Maybe losing some doubles in RF in 2019, but possibly benefiting in other places.

2020-2021 Spray chart overlay on Fenway:
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Thanks, these are interesting.

Part of what spooks me about Santana is that he’s extremely susceptible to the shift — in fact, he’s the most shifted-on LHB in baseball this year. Between that fact, his declining power/ISO and our very deep right field (where he’s much less of a threat to go yard than in Kaufmann Stadium), it’s just too thin a tightrope for my taste. I think pitchers will go after him and that walk rate will drop.

He’s also not setting the world on fire with that .223/.352/.324 line over his last 182 PAs. There are things I like about him but given where the team is at, I don’t think we need to lock in an old first baseman with a 110 wRC+ ceiling at $9 million for 2022.

Getting a first baseman like Santana also closes the books on Dalbec. I’m fine with that if there’s a good deal out there for him, but I wouldn’t give up Dalbec for Santana. I would for Mancini.
 

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Is Mancini even available? He’s a recent cancer survivor who’s beloved by that fan base and in the clubhouse.
 

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Is Mancini even available? He’s a recent cancer survivor who’s beloved by that fan base and in the clubhouse.
Hard to say. I’ve seen his name on plenty of trade candidate lists and he’d fetch more for the O’s this summer than later.

But you’re right, he is beloved in Baltimore. The in-division trade tax also applies, though for a guy who needs consistent oncology screenings Boston wouldn’t be the worst place to be. Unique set of off-field factors and risk but I think he fits well here, and gives us options in 2022.
 

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Well, he strikes out a lot, even when he's hitting. Even with last night's 0-5, he's 13-39 in his last 10 games. Let's give him more than one bad game before we contemplate it being more than one bad game.
With 1bb/15k in 42 PA and a BAbip of .476 in those 10 games. To be fair, his season prior to the last 10 games, his BAbip was .264. To date, it's now at .304. He was due for some luck.

His season line is .214/.265/.423 in 215 PA with 11bb/80k. His career line in 307 PA is now at .223/.293/.473 with 21bb/109k. My guess is his true talent level is closer to his career line than his season line, something like .220/.280/.450. His career OPS+ is 104, for this year it's 84. He's not that far away from being a serviceable 1b that you think about replacing but don't actually have to replace. If he ever has a season where he hits .260 for a full year, I hope they trade high.
 

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220/.280/.450.
is a shitty OBP but getting a general OPS above .800 from him would be great and as a backup (hopefully in the future) 3B, DH, 1B (Casas at 1B, Devers at 3rd and getting Dalbec as a DH that can play the corners while keeping Devers bat in the lineup while giving him a break....) that's pretty valuable... .of course assuming he can stay consistently that OPS with inconsistent playing time.
 

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220/.280/.450 is a shitty OBP but getting a general OPS above .800 from him would be great and as a backup (hopefully in the future) 3B, DH, 1B (Casas at 1B, Devers at 3rd and getting Dalbec as a DH that can play the corners while keeping Devers bat in the lineup while giving him a break....) that's pretty valuable... .of course assuming he can stay consistently that OPS with inconsistent playing time.
He's not close to an .800 OPS though - which isn't really important anyhow.

OPS is a stat that should be launched into the sun here. It came out around the time that BA was starting to be acknowledged as a dated stat, and is now a dated stat 20 years later. If you want to try to glean whatever there is to glean from adding two differently weighted numbers differently, at least use OPS+. But really, wOBA and wRC+ are a lot more meaningful. I'm not trying to be condescending nor am I an expert but I think it's useful to try and explain in layman's terms, the difference.

As an example, first baseman Yandy Diaz (who also plays 3b and DH) has a lower OPS than Dalbec. He has an obp of .375 but slugs a god awful .309 (136 out of 140 qualified players) and contributes nothing on the bases. But he is creating more runs because he can at least give his teammates a chance to drive him in at an 11% higher rate than Dalbec does. As a result, Yandy is 5% better than the league average at creating runs (20th among 1b) and Dalbec is 17% worse than league average (and 26th among 1b) More runs = winning more baseball games. It doesn't make Yandy all that great but it does make him a superior offensive player right now.
 
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He's not close to an .800 OPS though - which isn't really important anyhow.

OPS is a stat that should be launched into the sun here. It came out around the time that BA was starting to be acknowledged as a dated stat, and is now a dated stat 20 years later. If you want to try to glean whatever there is to glean from adding two differently weighted numbers differently, at least use OPS+. But really, wOBA and wRC+ are a lot more meaningful. I'm not trying to be condescending nor am I an expert but I think it's useful to try and explain in layman's terms, the difference.

As an example, first baseman Yandy Diaz (who also plays 3b and DH) has a lower OPS than Dalbec. He has an obp of .375 but slugs a god awful .309 (136 out of 140 qualified players) and contributes nothing on the bases. But he is creating more runs because he can at least give his teammates a chance to drive him in at an 11% higher rate than Dalbec does. As a result, Yandy is 5% better than the league average at creating runs (20th among 1b) and Dalbec is 17% worse than league average (and 26th among 1b) More runs = winning more baseball games. It doesn't make Yandy all that great but it does make him a superior offensive player right now.
I didn't take it as condescending and am open to learning this stuff.
I also understand the importance of OBP over SLG as the more important component of OPS and I'd rather have Yandy over Dalbec as a 1B. So I do take OPS as an indicator of talent with a certain level of deeper understanding of it's meaning. That said (I'm asking) having a guy has a high SLG percentage has significant pluses over someone that doesn't. I'm not sure how to compare.... but doesn't using "creating runs" also put some emphasis on who is hitting in front of and behind them? And if a high SLG hitter is going from first all the way around the bases and then back to home... they're simply not even on the bases for the hitters behind them to drive them in, so they're not actually giving whoever is hitting behind them a chance to drive them in.... but so what in this case?
I definitely want Dalbec to raise his OBP significantly more and I'd be happy to have a lot of that come in sacrificing his SLG to it. IF he is a true (BABiP leveled out/normalized) .800+ OPS hitter with heavy SLG, I'd prefer something closer to .350/.450 which I think we could all agree on would be fantastic and a major upgrade over both current Dalbec. But what if he can get his OBP up to .320 (which doesn't seem that ridiculous)? Then he's borderline top 1B in the league*

*not ridiculous but realizing the actual difficulty knowing his K problem
 

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I didn't take it as condescending and am open to learning this stuff.
I also understand the importance of OBP over SLG as the more important component of OPS and I'd rather have Yandy over Dalbec as a 1B. So I do take OPS as an indicator of talent with a certain level of deeper understanding of it's meaning. That said (I'm asking) having a guy has a high SLG percentage has significant pluses over someone that doesn't. I'm not sure how to compare.... but doesn't using "creating runs" also put some emphasis on who is hitting in front of and behind them? And if a high SLG hitter is going from first all the way around the bases and then back to home... they're simply not even on the bases for the hitters behind them to drive them in, so they're not actually giving whoever is hitting behind them a chance to drive them in.... but so what in this case?
I definitely want Dalbec to raise his OBP significantly more and I'd be happy to have a lot of that come in sacrificing his SLG to it. IF he is a true (BABiP leveled out/normalized) .800+ OPS hitter with heavy SLG, I'd prefer something closer to .350/.450 which I think we could all agree on would be fantastic and a major upgrade over both current Dalbec. But what if he can get his OBP up to .320 (which doesn't seem that ridiculous)? Then he's borderline top 1B in the league*

*not ridiculous but realizing the actual difficulty knowing his K problem
It may feel like a slightly reductive stat but I'm curious RC/27 hasn't caught on more. It provides a marker than is essentially like ERA for hitters, and is easily comparable between players. And the best hitters are always at the top. Anyway, Dalbec ain't doing it when comes to creating runs per outs made.
 

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I didn't take it as condescending and am open to learning this stuff.
I also understand the importance of OBP over SLG as the more important component of OPS and I'd rather have Yandy over Dalbec as a 1B. So I do take OPS as an indicator of talent with a certain level of deeper understanding of it's meaning. That said (I'm asking) having a guy has a high SLG percentage has significant pluses over someone that doesn't. I'm not sure how to compare.... but doesn't using "creating runs" also put some emphasis on who is hitting in front of and behind them? And if a high SLG hitter is going from first all the way around the bases and then back to home... they're simply not even on the bases for the hitters behind them to drive them in, so they're not actually giving whoever is hitting behind them a chance to drive them in.... but so what in this case?
I definitely want Dalbec to raise his OBP significantly more and I'd be happy to have a lot of that come in sacrificing his SLG to it. IF he is a true (BABiP leveled out/normalized) .800+ OPS hitter with heavy SLG, I'd prefer something closer to .350/.450 which I think we could all agree on would be fantastic and a major upgrade over both current Dalbec. But what if he can get his OBP up to .320 (which doesn't seem that ridiculous)? Then he's borderline top 1B in the league*

*not ridiculous but realizing the actual difficulty knowing his K problem
If he was hitting .xxx/.320/.480, he'd be more than fine at 1b. OBP wise, he's pretty far away. Oddly enough, if he had last year's BB rate, his OBP this year would be .320. If he had last year's batting average, his OBP would be .315.

I don't think either of those things should be expected. Maybe he can improve on his .211 average and 5.5% BB rate to get closer to .320. Putting the ball in play would help. His Three True Outcomes (Plus HBP) is at 48.9%, 77.6% of that being strikeouts.
 

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I was wondering how bad Dalbec is historically remembering when the I started following the Sox they had some pretty bad years at 1b. So considered the easiest position to get a hitter here are all the years since I started following the Sox that the primary 1b was a below average hitter (ops < 99) . As you can see Booby is the worst, even considering year of the pitcher 2021. The only guy as bad a hitter was a plus defender, Stapleton. Stapleton was emblematic of the genius decision to not promote Boggs for over the hill counting stats guys like Perez, and the idea he and Landsford could not be in the same lineup. Buckner hid how bad he was with counting stats and average. But a platoon partner and he would have been acceptable, but no, everyday vs LH batting third. We see some young guys Daubach, Benzinger Mo, given a shot one became good, another a star, all seem the right move. We also see two heroes of WS teams unceremoniously dumped (Millar, Napoli) when performing, actually a fair bit better than Bobby.
So maybe he is seen as a Daubach, Mo type that will be the answer one day. But yes he is the worst we have had in my lifetime. Some of them do go really far I guess.

Year Player Ops+ Sox record, games out war comment
1978 George Scott 83 99-64 1 -.3 What would have one game meant to us all! But braindead manager and front office.
1981 Tony Perez 98 Crazy split season missed by Post season by 1, .2 That Boggs stayed in the minors for Perez? Good god.
1982 Dave Stapleton 87 89 wins 6 games out .6 24 year old Boggs finally good enough to get Staples out of the lineup
1983 Dave Stapleton 76 78 wins bad team 1.3 At least they got rid of Lansford to keep Stapleton in the lineup!
1984 Bill Buckner 97 86 wins 4th place -.3 He almost hit .280 and walked 24 times. Still massive upgrade
1986 Bill Buckner 98 1st, we know -.3 Actually not bad vs RH, Booby D maybe wins this team a WS
1988 Todd Benzinger 96 1st! -.1 One of Joe’s kids, but walked 181 times in nine years, Adequate got Dewey back in RF, right move by Joe
1992 Mo Vaughn 98 73 wins yikes -.2 Good move get the kid in there
2000 Brian Daubach 89 85 wins -.3 Transition, became a decent player, but man wasting prime Nomar and Pedro
2005 Kevin Millar 98 95 wins, wild card 1.1 Lost job to Olerud, and then Youks, Tito, Theo didn’t F around.
2015 Mike Napoli 84 5th place .3 Lost job to Travis Shaw, no F-ing around here either
2021 Bobby Dalbec 75 2nd place for now -1.1 :(
 

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No hate for Tony Clark and his 47 OPS+ in 2002? He was so bad I remember begging for strikeouts just so he wouldn't hit into a double play.
 

mwonow

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No hate for Tony Clark and his 47 OPS+ in 2002? He was so bad I remember begging for strikeouts just so he wouldn't hit into a double play.
Actually, I felt the same about part-time 1B "Double Play Jose" Offerman.
 

bob burda

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No hate for Tony Clark and his 47 OPS+ in 2002? He was so bad I remember begging for strikeouts just so he wouldn't hit into a double play.
Theo said that while he watched the horrifying Tony Clark vs. Foulke AB in '04 ALCS he could only think of the irony of Clark ending the Sox comeback (and I'm paraphrasing) after being "the guy who had practically ruined our season in 2002." Theo knew (and was right).
 

Le Bastonois

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Looks like Bobby isn't one of the "multi-dimensional weapons" that Cora has planned out for the post-season. He can be back for the September call ups. Polar Park can rush order bobble-heads and he can have his own day there.
 

Rowdy

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SSS and all that, Dalbec is putting together a nice streak after an atrocious July overall (.541 OPS and 25K:1BB in 62 PA).
Per MLB.com
Last 7 .556/.636/1.278
Last 15 .341/.426/.756
Last 30 .277/.333/.506
If/when Schwarber joins the mix, his ABs will most likely decrease but credit where credit is due. His splits against RHP and away from Fenway still scary....