The Value of Belichick

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Good Flutie interview with Rich Eisen

That was well worth the listen.

Flutie's comments at the end about Tom Brady always acknowledging the contributions of everyone around him were interesting though not particularly surprising. And for those who have not clicked on the link, Flutie's major point on BB was that his ability to assimilate all of the information gathered for him from quotes of opposing players and coaches was extraordinary and often directly impacted the game plan.

Not that we need this, but Flutie's comments serve as one more reminder that the annual whining of Boston media members regarding Belichick's bland press conferences are total horseshit.
 

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That was well worth the listen.

Flutie's comments at the end about Tom Brady always acknowledging the contributions of everyone around him were interesting though not particularly surprising. And for those who have not clicked on the link, Flutie's major point on BB was that his ability to assimilate all of the information gathered for him from quotes of opposing players and coaches was extraordinary and often directly impacted the game plan.

Not that we need this, but Flutie's comments serve as one more reminder that the annual whining of Boston media members regarding Belichick's bland press conferences are total horseshit.
I have to take Flutie's comments about the game plan with a grain of salt though. Typically most players will have a Monday interview, but nothing on Tuesday, and the game plan is usually in on Wednesday. As much of a BB fanboy as I am, I find it hard to believe BB was using opponents' players' quotes to formulate game plans.
 

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I have to take Flutie's comments about the game plan with a grain of salt though. Typically most players will have a Monday interview, but nothing on Tuesday, and the game plan is usually in on Wednesday. As much of a BB fanboy as I am, I find it hard to believe BB was using opponents' players' quotes to formulate game plans.
I don't think it takes being a huge BB fan to believe Flutie on BB's use of player and coach comments. One, I'm not sure what Flutie has to gain by saying it if it isn't true. Two, that BB and his players studiously avoid commenting on anything real suggests that Belichick knows first hand that even the most innocuous seeming information can be used. Three, I've often thought that I was hearing or reading comments that provide a vista into how the other team was preparing; that BB would make use of the same is not surprising. Four, and I hate to even indirectly invoke SpyGate, but using all available information and means of gathering it is something we've seen all along. Belichick leaves no stone unturned.
 

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I have to take Flutie's comments about the game plan with a grain of salt though. Typically most players will have a Monday interview, but nothing on Tuesday, and the game plan is usually in on Wednesday. As much of a BB fanboy as I am, I find it hard to believe BB was using opponents' players' quotes to formulate game plans.
He can get quotes from teams throughout the season though, not just the week prior to their games
 

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I don't think it takes being a huge BB fan to believe Flutie on BB's use of player and coach comments. One, I'm not sure what Flutie has to gain by saying it if it isn't true. Two, that BB and his players studiously avoid commenting on anything real suggests that Belichick knows first hand that even the most innocuous seeming information can be used. Three, I've often thought that I was hearing or reading comments that provide a vista into how the other team was preparing; that BB would make use of the same is not surprising. Four, and I hate to even indirectly invoke SpyGate, but using all available information and means of gathering it is something we've seen all along. Belichick leaves no stone unturned.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but I do wonder exactly how much visibility Flutie had. Maybe it's all true.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but I do wonder exactly how much visibility Flutie had. Maybe it's all true.
Seems like BB is the kindof guy who would not only use those comments, he’d disseminate the info widely, and he’d also use it as a continuous lesson as to why players shouldn’t talk much.

‘Ok guys, Joey Blabbermouth x about y three weeks ago. So here’s the tape. Here’s x. Here’s y. Flutie, you got this? Yeah? Ok. Ok guys and this is another example of why we don’t chat about stuff, right?
Do your job. Your job does not include taking.
Ok uphill sprints for for the lot of you. Don’t stand and gawk like you’ve never seen the hand of god before...’.
 

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That was well worth the listen.

Flutie's comments at the end about Tom Brady always acknowledging the contributions of everyone around him were interesting though not particularly surprising. And for those who have not clicked on the link, Flutie's major point on BB was that his ability to assimilate all of the information gathered for him from quotes of opposing players and coaches was extraordinary and often directly impacted the game plan.

Not that we need this, but Flutie's comments serve as one more reminder that the annual whining of Boston media members regarding Belichick's bland press conferences are total horseshit.
Sorry, I don't see a link...help?
 

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I can't remember the thread where @PedroKsBambino and I and some other were talking about Belichick and analytics however many moons ago, but I thought this Athletic article by Mike Lombardi was interesting:

Basically he says analytics is just information, and the key is having a "computer" that can process that information - Lombardi sees Belichick (and Bill Walsh before him) as basically that computer:

Working for Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick, I was never the decision-maker. My role was to feed them the information, to make sure the information was trustworthy and then let them use their vast knowledge of the game as well as their program to make the right decisions. They were the IBM computer, capable of always making great decisions for their respected teams. I honestly believe to this day that Walsh and Belichick could never make a wrong decision, I could only give them bad information. Decisions were comfortable for both men; getting the right information at times proved more challenging. Today in the technology age, acquiring the correct data is harder than ever.
He goes on to say that the Browns' problem isn't analytics, but that they don't have anyone capable of interpreting the information properly; they have guys like Paul DePodesta who don't have expert knowledge parsing through information that they don't really understand.
 

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Thanks for sharing, and reinforces the thesis I was putting forward: Belichick is certainly using analytic data as part of what he assesses, but he makes decisions based on a variety of factors (first and foremost, his decades of experience). I think, as Lombardi says, framing the question as whether someone is "Sashi Brown using nothing else" or "not using analytics" is an unhelpful false dichotomy.
 

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Thanks for sharing, and reinforces the thesis I was putting forward: Belichick is certainly using analytic data as part of what he assesses, but he makes decisions based on a variety of factors (first and foremost, his decades of experience). I think, as Lombardi says, framing the question as whether someone is "Sashi Brown using nothing else" or "not using analytics" is an unhelpful false dichotomy.
This makes sense to me and I think a great example was the Balt/Tenn game. I don't think Bill would have ever gone for on from his 45 down 7 in Q1 to an inferior opponent.

I don't care that analytics tell you to go or even that you are like 80% on the year going for it on 4th and 1. The only way you are losing that game is by getting behind big and putting your team that is not really designed to play from behind in a hole.
Win probability went from 50/50 to 60/40 Titans after the next play TD, the analytics said it was unlikely this would happen, but the coach should know that the benefit is not worth the risk of failure based on qualitative factors.