The USOC selects Boston as U.S. bid to host the 2024 Olympic & Paralympic Games

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Marty Walsh saying this morning that A) he believes most Bostonians support this bid B) this shouldn't be put to a vote, commnunity meetings will suffice. 
 
I can't emphasize enough how against this I am as a Boston resident.  While I love the Olympics and I think the 2 weeks or so would be so incredibly cool, all the BS that's associated with it won't make it worth it.  And the fact that I most likely won't even get a chance to vote on this is infuriating. 
 
Then he doesn't think most Bostonians support this.
 
 

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Beyond the MBTA, the biggest new transportation asset for the region would be a viable second airport within ~45 minutes of Boston, either via an express rail link to the Worcester Airport or an entirely new facility. Yes, both longshots for multiple reasons..
 
Worcester airport is not a viable second airport. It's 1,000 feet in the air and commercial planes often can't land there. And the runway isn't long enough either. That airport should have been down in Blackstone somewhere near the Pike but that ship sailed decades ago.
 

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I think a big challenge for the bid committee is that those who support the Games in Boston are mildly supportive in a "Yeah, sure, that might be kinda cool" way, while those who oppose are vehemently opposed...
 

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I think a big challenge for the bid committee is that those who support the Games in Boston are mildly supportive in a "Yeah, sure, that might be kinda cool" way, while those who oppose are vehemently opposed...
 
 
I want you to be right, but Myt1's take in the closed thread seems closer to the mark.
 

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Well, I'm not really speaking as to how many people are for/against, but it seems to me that the opponents are VERY vocal. The challenge for the organizers is to quickly respond, and spread their side of the story - as there is already a general public perception that the Olympics are never anything but a massive financial/corruption boondoggle of Athens/Montreal/Sochi proportions, despite much better management and outcomes in L.A./Calgary/Vancouver/Salt Lake (I think Atlanta did OK, too, but I am not sure of the top of my head). It's like anything, a well run Olympic Games is a good thing, and a poorly run Games aren't. 
 
My understanding is that this bid was successful with the USOC because it acknowledges that greed and excess have created a serious PR problem for the Olympic brand, and addresses that with a more efficient Games....
 
...at least on paper.
 

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Worcester airport is not a viable second airport. It's 1,000 feet in the air and commercial planes often can't land there. And the runway isn't long enough either. That airport should have been down in Blackstone somewhere near the Pike but that ship sailed decades ago.

 
 
What about Pease, near  Portsmouth?  In theory it is one hour from Boston.  Using express lanes, that could be true.  The runways are certainly long enough for any kind of jet.  I don't know anything about the other infrastructure, but it should be possible to build airline terminals cheaply enough.
 

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If you're going to use express lanes to get people from an airport to boston, Providence could serve your purposes. It's recently started flying to europe plus there's always back and forth about expanding runways, etc. so this could get that going. Plus, they have the commuter rail station that links to Boston right @ the terminal now.
 

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That's true, the drive is about the same and the train link is superior.  There is Amtrak service that runs from Boston close to Pease, so that might work as well, but there would probably be upgrades needed.  And there is the Newburport commuter line.
 

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What about Pease, near  Portsmouth?  In theory it is one hour from Boston.  Using express lanes, that could be true.  The runways are certainly long enough for any kind of jet.  I don't know anything about the other infrastructure, but it should be possible to build airline terminals cheaply enough.
 
Hanscom would work for a convenient alternative airport
 

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Hanscom would work for a convenient alternative airport
. The idea was not a temporary airport but an Olympics inspired long-term asset for the region.
 

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If the context is only an Olympic 3 week scenario... the weymouth air base could still be used.
Haven't those runways been torn up?  There's a new housing development there. 
 

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It's in every fucking article on it in the universe. Coupled with the IOC Agenda2020 thing which is clearly aimed to bring down the cost of the Olympics and strongly favors cheaper and reusable, it makes a lot of sense.
 
I think people need to understand that the IOC actually has very little control over cost. Even if they really want to bring down the cost they can't.
  • Security costs are high because governments don't want another Munich on their hands. (Or an Olympic 9/11.) There's no way another USA Olympics would go cheap on security.
  • Media costs (broadcasting facilities, hotels, etc) are high because the media partners kick in a ton of money. There's no way the IOC is going to let Boston stiff its broadcasting partners.
  • Venue costs are high because the sports federation members vote for or against bids based on how good the venues will be for their sport. Give water polo a crap facility and you've automatically lost the vote of any member of the water polo federation.
  • Transportation costs are high because the host city needs to move people around the city. Unless it wants a traffic nightmare Boston would need to add heavy rail lines to the venues.
 

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Koufax said:
 
What about Pease, near  Portsmouth?  In theory it is one hour from Boston.  Using express lanes, that could be true.  The runways are certainly long enough for any kind of jet.  I don't know anything about the other infrastructure, but it should be possible to build airline terminals cheaply enough.
I'm sure new Hampshire tax payers love this idea.
The runways are plenty long. I believe they are an emergency landing strip for the space shuttle.
 

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Koufax said:
 
What about Pease, near  Portsmouth?  In theory it is one hour from Boston.  Using express lanes, that could be true.  The runways are certainly long enough for any kind of jet.  I don't know anything about the other infrastructure, but it should be possible to build airline terminals cheaply enough.
 
Isn't Manchester about the same distance and already a functioning commercial airport?
 

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There are active plans to create a new Indigo line from a new Western station in Allston when the Masspike is moved, through back bay, through Widett Circle, and into the Seaport (Innovation District). If the stadium goes in Widett, I would bet that this new rail line is the centerpiece of the infrastructure improvements, which would provide high capacity between the two places in town where you can build new stuff. Afterwards, it would greatly improve transport to the seaport. 
 

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You'll be hearing about financial protection insurance for the city and state. Read this and see that Mayor Walsh with the stroke of a pen can sign a contract with the IOC that "puts the city on the hook for all costs."
 

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God love the IOC, get publicly and embarrassingly shunned from historically socialist-leaning nations yet get America's most historic city to go all in.
 

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God love the IOC, get publicly and embarrassingly shunned from historically socialist-leaning nations yet get America's most historic city to go all in.
Well, a big piece here is that after the embarrassing withdrawal of several bidders from the 2022 process, IOC adopted a set of reforms known as "Agenda 2020", designed to prevent that from happening again. Maybe it is naive to actually believe they'll follow those reforms, but if they do, the landscape has changed a great deal.

Here is more about Agenda 2020

http://m.olympic.org/mobile/news/olympic-agenda-2020-strategic-roadmap-for-the-future-of-the-olympic-movement-unveiled/241063
 

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  • Transportation costs are high because the host city needs to move people around the city. Unless it wants a traffic nightmare Boston would need to add heavy rail lines to the venues.
 
 
If you are referring to a brand-new heavy rail line and not an extension, there is zero chance of that happening in time for these Games (I don't count the Indigo Lines as 'heavy rail').
 

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This I simplifying it way too much. This is not a two week event. This very well could inconvenience a huge portion of the population of Massachusetts (and new Hampshire) for, what, 5-6 years? They will need to overhaul 93, right? Shit, on a random weekday, one lane closure on the SE expressway at the wrong time causes hours of delays.
I've never been to or near Boston, but it sounds likes it needs to be overhauled anyway. At least there may be some money put forward that doesn't come out of your pocket and potentially fixes this issue for future years that already sounds like an issue.

I see the short term pain, but it looks like it will happen at some point anyway, regardless of hosting the Olympics or not.
 

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If you are referring to a brand-new heavy rail line and not an extension, there is zero chance of that happening in time for these Games (I don't count the Indigo Lines as 'heavy rail').
 
I agree, of course. I was simply explaining that the reason Athens, Beijing, London, Vancouver, Sochi, etc all built new rail lines was not for fun, but in an attempt to solve the problem of moving fans from hotels to the venues.
 
But that leads back to the problem of how Boston is going to get the fans to the venues without an Atlanta-style mess. Without constructing new mass transit systems I don't see how it will avoid being a transit nightmare for visitors.
 

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I've never been to or near Boston, but it sounds likes it needs to be overhauled anyway. At least there may be some money put forward that doesn't come out of your pocket and potentially fixes this issue for future years that already sounds like an issue.

I see the short term pain, but it looks like it will happen at some point anyway, regardless of hosting the Olympics or not.
It doesn't need to be overhauled. People here have unrealistic expectations for mass transit, probably because we have the habit of comparing ourselves to New York. Among similar-sized cities, only Washington's mass transit beats ours. And with the money spent on the Big Dig, the expressways are pretty nice too.

We've put off maintenance of roads and bridges 20+ miles from Boston to pay for the Big Dig and associated improvements. That's where the need lies. The Olympics will further delay those projects. No thanks.
 

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We've put off maintenance of roads and bridges 20+ miles from Boston to pay for the Big Dig and associated improvements. That's where the need lies. The Olympics will further delay those projects. No thanks.
Makes sense. Thanks.
 

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I'm more of the "this is going to stimulate the local economy big time" school of thought.  Lots of TV revenue will flow indirectly towards construction, security, etc., and thus into the local economy.  Yes it will be a pain in the ass but it will make the region richer, not poorer, if managed properly.
 

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I'm confused exactly what would need to be overhauled for mass transit?  I'm no fan of the T's day-to-day operation (or finances, for that matter), but running additional subway and commuter trains for a few weeks doesn't seem all that hard.  Maybe there's some preventative track maintenance and some upgrades that need to happen, but I'm not sure exactly what else is needed.  What am I missing?
 
And what exactly needs overhauling on 93?  
 
The experiences we have on our daily commutes is not exactly representative of what the Games would be like.  Schools will be off.  Most businesses downtown will be leaned on to allow their employees to take vacation, work from home, etc.  Should be easy for the banks, insurance companies, and law firms to comply with that request.  And that's usually all that's needed to significantly reduce commute traffic in and out of the city.  
 

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I'm confused exactly what would need to be overhauled for mass transit?  I'm no fan of the T's day-to-day operation (or finances, for that matter), but running additional subway and commuter trains for a few weeks doesn't seem all that hard.  Maybe there's some preventative track maintenance and some upgrades that need to happen, but I'm not sure exactly what else is needed.  What am I missing?
 
 
All of the transit lines are currently at capacity or over capacity. The Red, Orange, Green, and anything going into South Station are pretty much as good as they can get right now without major upgrades to both the signaling systems and the rolling stock. The expansion of SS is about a billion dollar project itself.
 
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I'm confused exactly what would need to be overhauled for mass transit? 
I'm probably in the minority, but replace 5 top level managers with 3 MIT engineers and 2 Sloans and you'd already see considerable improvements fairly soon, even without construction changes.
 

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We've put off maintenance of roads and bridges 20+ miles from Boston to pay for the Big Dig and associated improvements. That's where the need lies. The Olympics will further delay those projects. No thanks.
 
 
True, plus the idea that the meter has stopped running on the Big Dig is ludicrous. Go in the Central Artery tunnel almost any night after midnight and you'll see workers in there trying to cope with damage from the inrushing seawater. I don't know which budget item all this ongoing work is hidden under. We'll see if the tunnel actually lasts until its supposed payoff date in 2 decades as seawater doesn't play well with steel & concrete.
 

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Well, glad Boston got this rather than DC, since our subway system just killed another person today.  I'm seriously wondering if the decrepit state of the (albeit much younger) subway system in DC factored into the decision on host city.  It was glorious for the first 20 years, but 20 years later after lots of deferred maintenance and extreme wear and tear, its become a total piece of shit unfortunately..... 
 

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"We will do our due diligence in an open, honest, and transparent manner."
 
Boston’s Summer Games organizers last night said they will make all the bid documents they submitted to the U.S. Olympic Committee available for reporters to look at during a media event next week — but won’t release them, allow copies to be made or even let the public take a look.
Boston 2024 executive vice president Erin Murphy Rafferty said in a statement yesterday the group will be “reviewing all the bid documents with media” next Wednesday. And while reporters will be able to “inspect” the documents for as long as they want, the group won’t let them have copies or issue them to the public because the documents “are subject to change,” a Boston 2024 official told the Herald.
 

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Frank Deford checks in:

 
Boston, lock up your municipal bonds and pension funds.
 
We always thought that Beantown was wicked smart; in fact, Boston has fancied itself as the "Athens of America." Be assured, if it gets the 2024 Olympics it can pretty much count on that. The Athens of Greece has been in financial cardiac arrest because it was conned into hosting the 2004 Games.
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So, with no apologies whatsoever to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow:
Listen, my children, and you shall hear
Of the midsummer crash of 'twenty-four.
Hardly a bank is still alive
Since Boston took its 'lympic dive.
The IOC said Beantown'd be beaming,
One if by TV, two if by streaming.
But after the show departed the Common
The awful message finally dawned on ...
Every high-rise and condo, cottage and home
That all Boston had left was a used velodrome.
 
 

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The Napkin said:
"We will do our due diligence in an open, honest, and transparent manner."
 
Boston’s Summer Games organizers last night said they will make all the bid documents they submitted to the U.S. Olympic Committee available for reporters to look at during a media event next week — but won’t release them, allow copies to be made or even let the public take a look.
Boston 2024 executive vice president Erin Murphy Rafferty said in a statement yesterday the group will be “reviewing all the bid documents with media” next Wednesday. And while reporters will be able to “inspect” the documents for as long as they want, the group won’t let them have copies or issue them to the public because the documents “are subject to change,” a Boston 2024 official told the Herald.
 
 
Yeah, plus there was this gem from Mayor Walsh on Friday:
 
Walsh said he did not see a scenario in which Boston is not submitted as a candidate to the International Olympic Committee in September.
 
 

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Mass. State Police Col. Alben just gave a press conference about the serious consequences (e.g., ambulance diversions) of this morning's highway blockages. No one asked him about paralyzing the area with the Olympics.
 

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Mass. State Police Col. Alben just gave a press conference about the serious consequences (e.g., ambulance diversions) of this morning's highway blockages. No one asked him about paralyzing the area with the Olympics.
 
Are you seriously comparing a surprise protest, designed by its organizers to be as disruptive as possible to an event for which there will be more than 6 years to plan and organizer will be under pressure to minimize disruptions?
 

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Are you seriously comparing a surprise protest, designed by its organizers to be as disruptive as possible to an event for which there will be more than 6 years to plan and organizer will be under pressure to minimize disruptions?
 
The degree of chaos engendered by a few protesters is entirely indicative of the lack of capacity and extremely limited alternative routes/modes of transport around the metro area. Replace protesters with a mishap (overturned trailer at a key spot, train signal failure, major rains, and so forth) in Olympic times and see what ensues. Sitting on the edge of the Atlantic drastically limits the options and potential for remediation. The closer the venues get to the water, the more choking off that ensues.
 
When the kite flying enthusiasts put up a handful of kites at JPII Park in Neponset Circle, the Expressway grinds to a halt as everyone stares at the kites. Even if somehow no one drove to a stadium at Widett Circle, there would be chaos just from rubbernecking. The Flower Show at Bayside is enough of a challenge at times.
 
In the event that protesters or miscreants wanted to disrupt the Olympics here, they'd have a decent chance of making what Benny Hill did to Torino in "The Italian Job" look like a layup.
 

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Here's what actually happens with traffic during the Olympic Games; Everyone has heard horror stories about how awful traffic will be, and had the idea of leaving their car at home drilled into their head for so long that they actually do it - and the streets of the host city are surprisingly un-congested...at least at the three Olympic Games I have attended.
 
Add to that extensive planning, with multiple levels of contingency plans, and you're in a place 1000% more prepared for anything than ever. Here's an example; Vancouver 2010, Canada wins a Gold medal in hockey, and NO riots (and I can assure you there were huge crowds very capable of turning riot-y). 2011 Vancouver loses game 7, extensive rioting. The reason, simply put, is that they were over-prepared and hyper-policed in 2010, and they weren't in 2011.
 

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Here's what actually happens with traffic during the Olympic Games; Everyone has heard horror stories about how awful traffic will be, and had the idea of leaving their car at home drilled into their head for so long that they actually do it - and the streets of the host city are surprisingly un-congested...at least at the three Olympic Games I have attended.
 
Part of that is that I imagine most offices, etc will basically shut down during the games. Might be a good time to go to the Cape, NH, Maine....
 

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Part of that is that I imagine most offices, etc will basically shut down during the games. Might be a good time to go to the Cape, NH, Maine....
+1.  
 
The reality is that the assorted financial services and law firms located in Boston will have years to prepare for this event and make arrangements for their employees.  About the only people that will need to come to work in Boston those weeks will be workers in retail, restaurant, entertainment, tourism, city services, and hospitals.  Everyone else will either be on vacation, working from remote sites, or working from home.  
 

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Here's what actually happens with traffic during the Olympic Games; Everyone has heard horror stories about how awful traffic will be, and had the idea of leaving their car at home drilled into their head for so long that they actually do it - and the streets of the host city are surprisingly un-congested...at least at the three Olympic Games I have attended.
 
Add to that extensive planning, with multiple levels of contingency plans, and you're in a place 1000% more prepared for anything than ever. Here's an example; Vancouver 2010, Canada wins a Gold medal in hockey, and NO riots (and I can assure you there were huge crowds very capable of turning riot-y). 2011 Vancouver loses game 7, extensive rioting. The reason, simply put, is that they were over-prepared and hyper-policed in 2010, and they weren't in 2011.
 
 
There's a whole thread here somewhere about the Vancouver riot in 2010. You're ignoring the time of day for the gold medal game vs. Stanley Cup final game. There was a whole day's worth of drinking before the Bruins won their game, but this difference seemed to be lost on the police in their preparation.
 
Even if the locals flee the city in droves, construction doesn't involve inflatable bouncy castles that are pumped up the morning of the opening ceremonies.
 

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They also curtailed lots of drinking opportunities on gold medal game day...if I recall correctly, they closed liquor stores, and really limited serving in bars.
 

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Boston’s plans for the 2024 Summer Games probably will include staging some events outside Massachusetts, an approach that could mean early-round Olympic baseball at Yankee Stadium, basketball at Madison Square Garden, tennis on the courts where the US Open is played, and sailing off Newport, R.I.

A source familiar with Boston’s evolving bid said organizers have “held high-level conversations” with other cities about hosting events. New York and Washington, which both made unsuccessful pursuits for their own Games in recent years, are considered candidates for such a role.


While staging some events outside a host city’s boundaries has been commonplace for geographic reasons — mountains for skiing and oceans for sailing are often many miles from the Games’ epicenter — 2024 would be the first Olympics to follow new IOC guidelines, approved in December, that allow bid cities to stage “preliminary competitions outside the host city . . . notably for reasons of sustainability.”

The heart of the Games would remain in Boston with a single athletes’ village, 28 of 33 planned venues within a 10-kilometer radius and final rounds of the basketball, baseball, and soccer competitions at TD Garden, Fenway Park, and Gillette Stadium, respectively, said the source, who requested anonymity because the bidding process is at such a sensitive stage.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/18/boston-games-could-rely-distant-venues/WveB9i8hgXvtML3Tb4iC0J/story.html
 

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If you’re a Boston city employee, there’s now an official decree: Don’t badmouth the Olympics.
 
Documents obtained by the Globe through a public records request to City Hall show Mayor Martin J. Walsh has signed a formal agreement with the United States Olympic Committee that bans city employees from criticizing Boston’s bid for the 2024 Summer Games.
The “joinder agreement” forbids the city of Boston and its employees from making any written or oral statements that “reflect unfavorably upon, denigrate or disparage, or are detrimental to the reputation” of the International Olympic Committee, the USOC, or the Olympic Games.
 
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BU, with a very new arena, just gets Badminton and BC nothing, not even some lame lawn sport?   Who did Harvard bribe?
 
They can put Badminton in Fitrec and keep something decent in Agganis, no?