The Tebow Zone

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wutang112878 said:
BB might also be doing Tebow one last favor and trying to give other teams the perception that the Pats dont think he is useless
 
Or he's being the evasive dick he always is.
 
"Any chance Tebow comes back?"
 
"People come back after being cut all the time."
 
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Here's a "Associated Press Winner and Emmy Nominee" reporter from WCTV, Tallahassee, FL: 
 
https://twitter.com/JasonKahnWCTV/status/375016276747251712
 
 
Why would Robert Kraft WANT Tebow on the #Patriots if he is no good? $$$$, that's why.
 
When pushed for evidence, he tweets this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-02/patriots-profit-on-tebows-solid-souvenir-stats
 
 
Tebow was a Patriot for about 20 percent of the calendar year. It was during the off-season, but plenty of buyers probably bit on the organization’s preseason Tebow pitch. Let’s assume the Patriots sold at least 100 game jersey in that span—that would be enough to bring in $1 million of revenue from Tebow gear alone.
 
Which does remind me of the movie above, since:
 
1. Patriots is valued at $1.8b and had $408 in revenue. It'd be a stretch to say Tebow's $1m jersey sales had enough of a value to warrant a spot right up until the cut day
 
2. Kraft has absolutely zero input on personnel decisions
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
Here's a "Associated Press Winner and Emmy Nominee" reporter from WCTV, Tallahassee, FL: 
 
https://twitter.com/JasonKahnWCTV/status/375016276747251712
 
 
When pushed for evidence, he tweets this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-02/patriots-profit-on-tebows-solid-souvenir-stats
 
 
Which does remind me of the movie above, since:
 
1. Patriots is valued at $1.8b and had $408 in revenue. It'd be a stretch to say Tebow's $1m jersey sales had enough of a value to warrant a spot right up until the cut day
 
2. Kraft has absolutely zero input on personnel decisions
 
Far be it from me to correct Businessweek, but - 100 jerseys would need to sell for $10K each to gross $1M. Even if the wearer suddenly developed the ability to stroll across rivers and ponds, that's an expensive forget-Him-not...
 

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Tebow sitting on the shadow roster would stay in shape, still be our #3 in case of a nuclear event, remain available to other clubs (I don't think the Pats lose out if someone gets to that point), and be in a viable position to help out later in the season as he did in the pre-season (eating reps our starter doesn't need).
 
I can see him back on the roster and being ready for imaginative service--like Flutie (but no more drop-kicks, please) later in the season. He is unusual, but he is not un-useful.
 
His presence on the roster alone screws opponents out of a small but real amount of practice time on game week. 
 

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TomRicardo said:
He was far more mentally slow than on his feet slow.  He would look lost....
 
Too true.
He really made me appreciate guys who can check down in game time. 
 

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Tebow has an AFL offer

“@darrenrovell: Gene Simmons owned LA KISS Arena Football League team says it has offered Tim Tebow a contract to play QB for team.”
 

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I am actually really excited by the prospects of a Tim Tebow-led Knights In Satan's Service team.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen such irrational worship of an athlete before.  I think Tebow has surpassed Jeter.  Meet the Why Not campaign:
A group in Jacksonville will be holding a rally on Monday at 3:16 p.m. ET at EverBank Field. The rally has one purpose: to convince team owner Shad Khan and the Jaguars front office to bring Tebow to Jacksonville.
 
The group has set up a Facebook page and a web page where they're trying to convince everyone in Jacksonville to participate in the Tebow-to-Jacksonville movement by wearing t-shirts, hats and putting bumper stickers on their cars.
 
 

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glennhoffmania said:
I don't think I've ever seen such irrational worship of an athlete before.  I think Tebow has surpassed Jeter.  Meet the Why Not campaign:
 
Blaine Gabbert & Chad Henne are beyond terrible. That local Jags fans (poor, poor long suffering Jags fans) want to be entertained while paying to watch this totally awful team isn't surprising and it is not irrational. It actually makes a ton of sense. 
 

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The funny thing is that Jacksonville is quite possibly the only team Tebow actually might be an upgrade on their quarterback situation (well maybe not, but at least Tebow would be the least downgrade there).  It's the perfect storm.  
 
Edit: Beaten to it by soxfan121
 

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soxfan121 said:
 
Blaine Gabbert & Chad Henne are beyond terrible. That local Jags fans (poor, poor long suffering Jags fans) want to be entertained while paying to watch this totally awful team isn't surprising and it is not irrational. It actually makes a ton of sense. 
 
No, no it doesn't.  They're still better off letting Gabbert or even Henne play to see what they may have for next year.  Tebow is not an NFL starting QB.  The whole thing with this rally and campaign is weird and creepy.  They even tried to get a petition signed to have Obama force Jax to sign him.  This isn't about winning football games.  It's about Tebow's cult following (and I mean that literally and figuratively).
 

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Gabbert and Henne are both useless.  The know, or should know, what they have for next year. Nothing.
 
You are probably right that these people are total nuts, and it's not about winning football games.  It's just that in this particular case, they're equally screwed regardless.
 

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True.  I'd still take either Gabbert or Henne over Tebow as my QB every time.  Anyone who tries to argue that the campaigners are sane and rational football fans is delusional.
 

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No, no it doesn't.  They're still better off letting Gabbert or even Henne play to see what they may have for next year.  Tebow is not an NFL starting QB.  The whole thing with this rally and campaign is weird and creepy.  They even tried to get a petition signed to have Obama force Jax to sign him.  This isn't about winning football games.  It's about Tebow's cult following (and I mean that literally and figuratively).
 
As radsoxfan says, if JAX doesn't already know what it has in Gabbert and Henne, 14 more games aren't going to help them. 
 
You literally need to be brain damaged to think Gabbert or Henne is on the Jags roster at the end of this season. The Jags have a new GM, new HC, the 2nd worst roster talent in the NFL, and just lost to the least talented roster in the NFL. Their best player, MJD, is coming off an injury, is nearing 30 and has an expiring contract. They lost to a 2-14 team in 2012 by a score of 28-2. TWO. 
 
Jacksonville also has 7 home games this season and next season (they play in London as the "home" team the next two seasons). They have had to cover over the 10,000 upper deck seats of their stadium and subtract those seats from total capacity to get to 50K since 2005. They  often experience home game blackouts (7 of 8 in one recent season). Their new owner just bought a London-based soccer team and stadium. See where this is going?
 
Tebow is more of a starting NFL QB than Blaine Gabbert. Tebow has started 16 NFL games, going 9-7 as a starter and 1-1 in the playoffs. He threw or ran for a total of 29 TD and turned the ball over 15 times. Blaine Gabbert has started 26 games going 5-19 as a starter, thrown or run for 21 TDs and turned the ball over 21 times. Needless to say, Gabbert has not appeared in the playoffs. Blaine Gabbert has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt,  he is not an NFL starting QB. Like I said, you need to be brain damaged to think otherwise. 
 
When you consider attendance problems, bad roster talent, a disaffected fan base andthe proven failure of Gabbert.... there's a RATIONAL reason for Jaguars fans to want Tebow over Gabbert (or Henne). 
 
Some of the people who champion Tebow are certifiably insane and irrational. But they have nothing to do with Tebow's ability (or lack thereof) to play QB nor do they have much of anything to do with why the Jaguars would (or should) consider signing Tebow. Frankly, this site has done a pretty good job of ignoring the truly fanatical Tebow Zealotry - except when it gets brought up so someone who plays whack-a-mole with it. Discuss the Tebow Zealotry  and crap on his following all you'd like - this forum has resoundingly found that to be boring and annoying, but do what you gotta do. 
 

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soxfan121 said:
 

 
As radsoxfan says, if JAX doesn't already know what it has in Gabbert and Henne, 14 more games aren't going to help them. 
 
You literally need to be brain damaged to think Gabbert or Henne is on the Jags roster at the end of this season. The Jags have a new GM, new HC, the 2nd worst roster talent in the NFL, and just lost to the least talented roster in the NFL. Their best player, MJD, is coming off an injury, is nearing 30 and has an expiring contract. They lost to a 2-14 team in 2012 by a score of 28-2. TWO. 
 
Jacksonville also has 7 home games this season and next season (they play in London as the "home" team the next two seasons). They have had to cover over the 10,000 upper deck seats of their stadium and subtract those seats from total capacity to get to 50K since 2005. They  often experience home game blackouts (7 of 8 in one recent season). Their new owner just bought a London-based soccer team and stadium. See where this is going?
 
Tebow is more of a starting NFL QB than Blaine Gabbert. Tebow has started 16 NFL games, going 9-7 as a starter and 1-1 in the playoffs. He threw or ran for a total of 29 TD and turned the ball over 15 times. Blaine Gabbert has started 26 games going 5-19 as a starter, thrown or run for 21 TDs and turned the ball over 21 times. Needless to say, Gabbert has not appeared in the playoffs. Blaine Gabbert has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt,  he is not an NFL starting QB. Like I said, you need to be brain damaged to think otherwise. 
 
When you consider attendance problems, bad roster talent, a disaffected fan base andthe proven failure of Gabbert.... there's a RATIONAL reason for Jaguars fans to want Tebow over Gabbert (or Henne). 
 
Some of the people who champion Tebow are certifiably insane and irrational. But they have nothing to do with Tebow's ability (or lack thereof) to play QB nor do they have much of anything to do with why the Jaguars would (or should) consider signing Tebow. Frankly, this site has done a pretty good job of ignoring the truly fanatical Tebow Zealotry - except when it gets brought up so someone who plays whack-a-mole with it. Discuss the Tebow Zealotry  and crap on his following all you'd like - this forum has resoundingly found that to be boring and annoying, but do what you gotta do. 

 
 
Gabbert is likely worse, but they have both proven beyond much doubt they aren't starting quarterbacks.  Tebow's '11 stats are irrelevant.  32 NFL teams have seen through that mirage at this point.
 
Tebow is a more fun kind of absolute suck so I agree with you. I can see why Jags fans might be happier watching him suck during another lost year. 
 

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As radsoxfan says, if JAX doesn't already know what it has in Gabbert and Henne, 14 more games aren't going to help them. 
 
You literally need to be brain damaged to think Gabbert or Henne is on the Jags roster at the end of this season. The Jags have a new GM, new HC, the 2nd worst roster talent in the NFL, and just lost to the least talented roster in the NFL. Their best player, MJD, is coming off an injury, is nearing 30 and has an expiring contract. They lost to a 2-14 team in 2012 by a score of 28-2. TWO.
You know, I had a response all written up about how no one should need to see more of Gabbert or Henne, and Tebow would make a terrible Jaguars team relevant for the rest of the season, but I deleted it.

As you say, what else is there to see with Gabbert and Henne?

- Gabbert -- He's another Rick Mirer: a big-armed college QB without the accuracy or pocket presence to be an NFL QB. Through 26 games, Gabbert completed just 53.4% of his passes. Maybe once upon a time (the 1970s) that would have been acceptable, but in the modern era that's just not tenable; indeed, it's even worse than Mark Sanchez or Rex Grossman. Now he's coming off major shoulder surgery and a serious hand injury.
- Henne -- He's a middling replacement level NFL QB (career 43/48 TD/INT ratio, 75.4 quarterback rating) who could only manage 9 points against the Oakland Raiders.

As 121 says, for an irrelevant franchise beset by television blackouts and fan disinterest (and planning to draft a new QB in 2014 anyway), Tebow makes some measure of sense.
 

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dynomite said:
As 121 says, for an irrelevant franchise beset by television blackouts and fan disinterest (and planning to draft a new QB in 2014 anyway), Tebow makes some measure of sense.
 
Bringing in Tebow now actually gives them the flexibility to take their new QB in 2014 or wait until they get the guy they want in 2015.  I would think 1.5 seasons would be long enough to prove to the a significant portion of the Tebow cult that he is what he is and Im assuming that 1.5 seasons is also just about right before people just get tired of him and look away. 
 
Finally if the 2014 draft doesn't break right for them, then they wouldnt have to feel pressured into over drafting the next Blaine Gabbert.  Or even if they do land the #1 overall with Tebow there is always the chance of some QB desperate team (Minnesota) makes a god father offer for Bridgewater.  Having flexibility during the 2014 draft to not feel pressured into over drafting a QB would only a be a good thing for them.
 

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Stitch01 wrote:

At least ten people showed up to the rally today.


In other words, the entire season ticket base?

Um, actually four cars showed up. It made the local news, "The rally for Tebow". Pathetic, really. They were joking about people hiding behind the empty cars. Nobody showed up...
 

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 BUT LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. WE ARE LIKE COCKROACHES IN THAT FOR EACH ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE 50 YOU DON'T SEE. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS YET TO BE DEPLOYED AS ORGANIZERS WERE OVERWHELMED WITH CALLS, TEXT AND EMAILS. COME OUT & SHOW THE JAGS FRONT OFFICE WE WANT TEBOW!
 
That website is amazing.
 
I'm with Laddie; I think the Jags should sign Tebow.  They can go 2-14 with Gabbert/Henne and be dismal and boring, or go 2-14 with Tebow and at least have the chance of something interesting happening. Tebow can't do much, but he can throw the bomb and he can scramble.  Those two skills don't make him a competent NFL QB, but they are two of the more entertaining things a QB can attempt.
 
Why not?  Just because Tebow can't beat out Ryan Mallet doesn't mean he can't be better than Gabbert.
 

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Signing Tebow would guarantee the Jags air time on ESPN and NFL Network, something of which they deservedly get very little.
 
Wow, that website is ultra-cool and so 1998. Bring back the all caps format.
 

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The following QBs have been picked up off the NFL scrap heap since Tebow was let go (this does not count signing guys (like Rusty Smith) from the practice squad):
 
 
McLeod Bethel-Johnson
B.J. Daniels
Austin Davis
Dennis Dixon
Matt Flynn
Josh Freeman
David Garrard
Jerrod Johnson
Brady Quinn (thrice)
John Skelton
Ricky Stanzi
Seneca Wallace
 
 
doesn't look good for Tebow
 

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NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL1m
From @MikeSilver: Rams have discussed signing Tim Tebow. Post to come.
 
Multiple members of the Rams organization declined to comment on the ESPN report on them contacting Brett Favre. No one flatly denied it -- which is telling -- but expressed that the team did not comment on its pursuit of replacements for Sam Bradford during the process and would not be doing so after the fact.
 
Earlier reports of them having internal discussions about Tim Tebow were false, numerous sources said, and the reality is that Favre isn't entertaining offers at this point in his retirement.
 
 
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So discussion of our third string quarterback doesn't pollute other threads, I thought it made some sense to have a Tebow-centric thread.
 
After watching the first game, I remain convinced that:
 
1.) Tebow isn't going to be an effective drop back passer for years if ever
2.) Tebow can do some nifty things on read option plays, draw plays and the like.
3.) The Pats think there's a real benefit to having a read-option QB, otherwise they wouldn't have installed all that read-option plays they ran Friday
4.) He's making the team because BB was aware of 1, 2, and 3 when he signed Tebow and dedicated practice and installation time to the  Tebow plays.
5.) Dobson and Tompkins look like great receivers for Tebow because of their physicality in both catching the ball and blocking downfield.
 
I'll also start my Tebow tracker to chart any Tebow-related Jimmy Fund bets people put up.
Regular Season Offensive Snaps: 0 ($25 by SD to Jimmy Fund if he hits 75, $25 by SN if he doesn't)
Non blowout regular season snaps where Tebow Replaces a Healthy Brady excluding blowouts including 2 point conversions (hereinafter "Tebow Electrifies Brady Only Watches" snaps or "T.E.B.O.W." snaps) : 0 ($25 by SD to Jimmy Fund if he hits 10, $25 by TheoShmeo if he doesn't)
 
 
 
Just paid $50 to the Jimmy Fund, so even in failure Tebow continues to help the children.
 

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Former Florida quarterback and Heisman winner, Tim Tebow, has been hired as a college football analyst for the SEC Network launching in August 2014. Through a multi-year agreement, Tebow’s primary role will be as an analyst for SEC Nation, the network’s traveling pregame show that will originate from a different SEC campus each week beginning August 28, 2014. In the months leading up to launch and after, he will contribute to a variety of ESPN platforms including SportsCenter, ESPN Radio, and the network’s Heisman Trophy coverage, offering in-depth perspective as a legendary Southeastern Conference player.