The Sports Fanatacism Is Fundamentally Dumb Except For When I Do it Game Thread
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Wasn't the worst thing they could've done, but it's kind of disappointing they brought out those "Bitch Mode" shirts.
Edelman knocking down the Sherman sign was great, though.
Edelman knocking down the Sherman sign was great, though.
A Seattle fan is mad at the classless demeaning Patriots for their actions during the parade
http://q13fox.com/2015/02/04/must-read-an-open-letter-to-the-new-england-patriots-from-a-seahawks-fan/
http://q13fox.com/2015/02/04/must-read-an-open-letter-to-the-new-england-patriots-from-a-seahawks-fan/
I would file that under LOL Boo hoo, except for the Bitch Mode shirt, which seems a bit petty/classless/harsh. But clowning Richard Sherman... look, Richard Sherman brings that upon himself. You want to gloat and flash an opposing player's number to a TV camera, you best believe someone's gonna turn you into an embarassing meme after you lose.
But Bitch Mode? Yeah. What did Marshawn do to deserve that dig?
But Bitch Mode? Yeah. What did Marshawn do to deserve that dig?
Parades are FOR the winning team and FOR the winning team's fans. Don't watch it if you're going to get your panties in a bunch; it's not for you anyways. Is the "bitch mode" shirt distasteful in Seattle, any neutral city, or any event targeted at a national audience? Absolutely. Was it distasteful yesterday? Who gives a shit?Old Fart Tree said:
soxfan121 said:
Yeah, this is the guy who got suspended in college for punching an opposing player in the face, and also walked out on his previous team. Hopefully Belichick talks to him about this. Honestly I'd be fine if Goodell decides to punish him.
Was it poor judgement? To me, sure. Misogynistic in a way common to almost all current professional athletes use it? To me, sure. Did he print the shirt or buy the shirt? Unlikely. In a moment of exuberance did he (and others) hold up a shirt he clearly thought was funny? Absolutely. To me, comparing it to being a homophobe is a lame approach. If that doesn't work will you next suggest comparing it to genocide t-shirts?epraz said:
ETA: typo, clarity
And I will check out of this t-shirt topic with this comment: I dislike the term bitch or the connotation that is under it. In the context of equality and domestic violence etc., we need to do better that to perpetuate the thought process. If we are going to say no more misogynistic crap, then it needs to stop in both directions - it isn't appropriate to refer to Sherman as a 'dick' which is on another shirt in that group. I think we also need to lighten up a bit about vocabulary choices - but that travels quickly into V&N territory.
Also, to the victor go the spoils and all that. I wouldn't be tuning into the Seattle victory parade if they had one. But if I saw a clip showing the Seahawk players with a t-shirt denigrating the size/quality/status of Tom Brady's balls, I'd have laughed and moved on. I don't think the Pats like that photo any more than the porn chick wearing Gronks jersey - but they will handle it internally and move on. I'm not going to get my undergarments in a knot over it either - even if I wouldn't let my son wear the shirt.
Also, to the victor go the spoils and all that. I wouldn't be tuning into the Seattle victory parade if they had one. But if I saw a clip showing the Seahawk players with a t-shirt denigrating the size/quality/status of Tom Brady's balls, I'd have laughed and moved on. I don't think the Pats like that photo any more than the porn chick wearing Gronks jersey - but they will handle it internally and move on. I'm not going to get my undergarments in a knot over it either - even if I wouldn't let my son wear the shirt.
As an aside, Doug Kyed said that a fan handed the shirt to Blount during the parade, and Blount held it up at that time. Not premeditated.
While I agree that the term 'bitch' should be removed from our dialogue as it often has a misogynistic intent, it can also mean to complain. Comparing the use of the term 'bitch' to the use of the term 'fag' is beyond extreme. There are levels of offensiveness.
kolbitr said:
Yeah, I know it wasn't in the best taste.
But if you got a slight chuckle out of it when someone hands it to you/throws it to you in that moment, and you flash it out to the crowd for a bit.
I don't think LGBT had that shirt screen printed just for this parade. Seems like everyone is being a little harsh.
Edit: It's pretty much in the same way that Julian was handed the poster mocking Sherman.
Agreed. My only complaint of the whole parade was the 'Bitch Mode' shirt. Doesn't make any sense. Beast Mode is a beast, played his ass off all year, and seems like a pretty good guy (when not dealing with the media and even I find that hilarious).
Guys like Sherman and Baldwin deserved to be mocked because when they are on top they never shut up.
Guys like Sherman and Baldwin deserved to be mocked because when they are on top they never shut up.
BigSoxFan said:
Does the moral superiority card pack include the "less classy" card? And the "bitter lot"? Irony, thy name is ten thousand spoons.
This isn't about Seahawk fans behaving badly; it is about Patriots players who either don't read good or held up an offensive, stupid shirt. No one suggested pitchforks and torches, just some good old internet consternation.
Hagios said:
Yeah, the Pats didn't run on the Ravens at all in the playoffs. No one took that as an indictment of Blount, really.
Three10toLeft said:
He didn't have the shirt printed. Some fan gave it to him as he passed on the Duck boat.
For sale here. Pretty much right in line with the rest of their merch. Blech.
The Allented Mr Ripley said:
Looking into this further, I was under the impression that 'fag' as a term was based on actual violence against gay men. I guess this isn't true. So, I take back my misplaced anger over the comparison of the two terms. Thanks wikipedia.
Edit: I should add that I personally consider 'fag' to be a more offensive word than 'bitch.' If you call someone a 'fag' you are calling them a homosexual where being gay is the insult. If you call someone a 'bitch' you may be calling them an obnoxious complainer, and while that use of the term may be based on misogynist history, to me, it seems to be a step removed from calling someone a female where being female is the insult. I find terms like vagina or c*nt more offensive but that's me and I realize others may have a different opinion.
wibi said:
The Seahawks are classless fucks. Blount is a classless fuck. It is football, none of it matters.
Really all that matters is that luckily no one literally burned Seattle to the ground.
What about em? I wouldn't equate someone holding up a shirt he was handed during a parade to starting a brawl because you're about to lose.
Regardless Seattle starting the brawl is still classless even if folks find some of the parade antics classless.
I personally find both things to be understandable given the moments they were in. Let bygones be bygones.
Regardless Seattle starting the brawl is still classless even if folks find some of the parade antics classless.
I personally find both things to be understandable given the moments they were in. Let bygones be bygones.
The notion that any team is more or less classy than any other is kind of stupid. If you pull out 50 players randomly from the 3,000 or so that play in the NFL and measured their classiness on a classy meter, my guess is that every NFL team in the league would be within a standard deviation of that classiness. Use whatever metric you want for classiness.
Some coaches are better than others at ensuring their players avoid saying things that denigrate their opponents to avoid bulletin board material. But the suggestion that the Seahawks or the Cowboys or the Falcons have more or less class than the Patriots or the Chargers or the Eagles is ridiculous.
Blount got carried away and held up a shirt that denigrated his opponent and used a word representing a destructive attitude toward women. He may or may not have such attitudes toward women. The notion that every other team doesn't have players susceptible of doing the same thing in the same situation is ridiculous.
Some coaches are better than others at ensuring their players avoid saying things that denigrate their opponents to avoid bulletin board material. But the suggestion that the Seahawks or the Cowboys or the Falcons have more or less class than the Patriots or the Chargers or the Eagles is ridiculous.
Blount got carried away and held up a shirt that denigrated his opponent and used a word representing a destructive attitude toward women. He may or may not have such attitudes toward women. The notion that every other team doesn't have players susceptible of doing the same thing in the same situation is ridiculous.
That's all fine and good, but you were saying that using the word bitch in the context of complaining was not misogynistic, when it absolutely is. Who bitches? A bitch, that's who. They're absolutely linked.
I'm not a big fan of word policing, but willful ignorance is by far a bigger sin.
wibi said:
Are you really going to defend Sherman's "2-4" hand signal? Starting a fight at the end of the game? Give me a break. The Seachickens are a bunch of whiny front-runners who deserve every bit of bad sportsmanship heaped on their heads. I just think LGBT could've used better judgment when handed that shirt.
Actually I'm pretty sure the negative aspects of bitch originally meant whiney and/or sexually aroused in a way similar to a female dog in heat and not necessarily aimed at women. As for modern (non-feminist) usage...yeah pretty mysoginistic, though with some definite usage exceptions. Still dumb on blounts part but pretty forgivable in the grand scheme of things
nattysez said:
I am.
Like I said elsewhere, talking shit is part of competition. As long as you can own up to it when it gets thrown back in your face, I have no damn problem with it. And Sherman seemed to own up to it just fine. As you may have noted, he wasn't involved in that end-of-game brawl, but rather walked right up to Brady to offer him congratulations.
Hoya81 said:
LeGarrette BlountVerified account@LG_Blount
About this shirt.. Just so ppl know, I have 100% respect for @MoneyLynch and how he plays the game. There's a reason he's called #BeastMode
It's kind of true, though. Some words acquire a secondary meaning and I think "bitch" is one of them. It can be used now in a unisex way to refer to complaining. And while clearly that use derives from a misogynistic place, that shouldn't be confused with the speaker's intent. One can say the speaker should think about it more, but I think that's a lesser sin.The Allented Mr Ripley said:
Here though I don't think the word was used to mean complain. I think it was used as an opposite of "beast," to imply that Lynch is really "like a girl" or whatever -- in other words about one of the worst uses of the word imaginable. What Blount thought he was communicating or what his intent was is unknown.
I don't know. I've called plenty of guys a pussy in my day, it's just a generic term for being weak or whiny, but you don't have to exert yourself too hard to walk it back a little and see the implication of using the word. Bitching is a comparably misogynistic term.
And I'm no saint when it comes to such matters; I still use these words myself, albeit far more sparingly as time goes on and I've realized what their usage says about me. But I know what they mean and why, and if I do use them, that's a conscious choice. I support people being able to say what they want, but I do have a problem with them denying the meaning of what they're saying.
Jesus Christ, a throwaway moment during a parade when all kinds of shirts/signs were being tossed around. Are we really this desperate to outraged over something?
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Because I'm sure I'm the first poster to ever post something hyperbolic or over the top in a game thread.
Why this touched a nerve with you (and a couple others) blows my mind. The fact that you keep on it just proves to me why I was smart to steer clear of SoSH for a couple of days.
wibi said:
You sent me a PM about this that I found to be inexplicable and I told you as much in my response. Now that you are making the same, more generic claim in this thread, I'll elaborate further.
The PM you sent to me was about a comment I made in the game thread calling the Seahawk players "classless punks" for the fight that broke out in the last few seconds of the game. I don't take a single word of that back. What I do find confusing is the idea that you feel as if these comments were a personal rebuke to you when they clearly were not.
Anyone who blames Seattle fans for the behavior of their team or asks them to defend that behavior is silly. It's just as silly to reach out to individual Pats fans (or casual Pats fans, as is the case with me) and insist that they have some sort of responsibility for the behavior of the Pats players. We don't.
For the record, my feelings about the t-shirt that was held by Blount are pretty much identical to those of soxfan121. The shirt is both classless and an embarrassment.
Happy now?
wibi said:
Um, what about em'? Sherman last year called Crabtree a "Lousy-ass receiver" on national television no less. Man, you need to take a break or something.