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As always, Bill shows how little he knows about Boston. His whole "that's definitely New York, there are no streets like that in Boston" take on the post-porno theater chase through Chinatown is laughable: he apparently has never been to Boston's Chinatown.
Yeah, I found myself yelling at the podcast at specifically that point. Rewatching the scene it's filmed in a way that's pretty close in, with all this smoke, so it's hard to see much of the surrounding buildings, but you can very specifically see the Chinatown gate and China Pearl in it.
 

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Yeah, I found myself yelling at the podcast at specifically that point. Rewatching the scene it's filmed in a way that's pretty close in, with all this smoke, so it's hard to see much of the surrounding buildings, but you can very specifically see the Chinatown gate and China Pearl in it.
Absolutely. And just because I was feeling persnickety about it.



 

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God, Jay Caspian Kang was absolutely insufferable on the REM episode of 60 Songs That Explain the 90s. I don't particularly care for REM (I do love Nightswimming though to be fair), and ragging on art/pop culture you don't care for is a tradition as old as time...but his shtick was old 15 seconds in. I thought "caring is stupid" as a genre of humor rightfully died before the 2010s.
I just listened to this. The first half was epic. The 2nd half was just the mush.

Kang was such a douche on this, insufferable is generous. He was an abomination. "It is even named Nightswimming, I mean what is that even about?"

Jay, it's about swimming at night. No, seriously, Jay is really cool. He doesn't care, see, and that's cool.

Most of the 60 songs have guests that love the bands and are scholars of them. Jay fucking hates REM and he was the guest on a podcast about the band REM. Poor choice.
 

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RE the ReParted episode, a couple of nitpicks for discussion:

1) I could not disagree more with the ideas of who could replace Nicholson. I'm not saying Nicholson is essential, or necessarily even GOOD (he's bad but in a unique way), or that replacing him wouldn't make the movie better (although he does imbue it with a strange, goofy, surrealism that, as Ryan points out, is impossible to disentangle from the movie as it is, and the movie's humor ultimately works in its favor). But...2006 Gene Hackman?! Imposing? James Gandolfini? Like him playing a mob boss at the height of Sopranoes exposure wouldn't be distracting? The correct answer is Ian McShane, anyway. But here's an idea if we're going with "needs to be an iconic actor" angle that they were: Clint Eastwood.

2) Bill's insistence that the James Badge Dale part go to a bigger star is so hilariously on brand. The whole point is that he's almost forgettable and then when he comes back at the end, you recognize him and have that zing of understanding.

3) Comfortably Numb is a signature song for one of the most famous rock bands in history! It's use during a sex scene, even in a big movie, is not its "Apex Mountain." Jesus fucking christ.
 

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3) Comfortably Numb is a signature song for one of the most famous rock bands in history! It's use during a sex scene, even in a big movie, is not its "Apex Mountain." Jesus fucking christ.
Jesus fucking Christ, indeed. I like Simmons despite his many flaws, but man - he's just REALLY off on this one.

The correct answer to replace Nicholson would be Albert Finney.
I've long said that Bryan Cox would have done great in that role.
Both of y'all are onto something. Finney or Cox would've absolutely killed in that role.
 

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Okay, I gotta ask: Clay Travis is like one of the ten worst people in America who aren't politicians or in prison. He's consistently wrong about COVID, he's said some insanely racist shit over and over and over.

So like, why is Sal working with this asshole? Sal doesn't seem to be racist at all, he's made it clear that COVID is bad... I get that it's a paycheck, but jeez.
 
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Okay, I gotta ask: Clay Travis is like one of the ten worst people in America who aren't politicians. He's consistently wrong about COVID, he's said some insanely racist shit over and over and over.

So like, why is Sal working with this asshole? Sal doesn't seem to be racist at all, he's made it clear that COVID is bad... I get that it's a paycheck, but jeez.

Is this a serious question. Sal is friends with Adam Carolla.
 

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Okay, I gotta ask: Clay Travis is like one of the ten worst people in America who aren't politicians or in prison. He's consistently wrong about COVID, he's said some insanely racist shit over and over and over.

So like, why is Sal working with this asshole? Sal doesn't seem to be racist at all, he's made it clear that COVID is bad... I get that it's a paycheck, but jeez.
He doesn't just work with him. He socializes with him.
 

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Is this a serious question. Sal is friends with Adam Carolla.
I mean, that too. Carolla was once pretty great and is now doing Prager U shit. But, I kind of get the Carolla thing -- Sal and Simmons have been friends with him forever. That's a hard choice to make.

He doesn't just work with him. He socializes with him.
Right. It's just shitty and while I love the Guess The Lines pods, it casts a shadow for me that Sal (who by all accounts is a good person, good father, etc) is friends with Clay fucking Travis.
 

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Jesus fucking Christ, indeed. I like Simmons despite his many flaws, but man - he's just REALLY off on this one.




Both of y'all are onto something. Finney or Cox would've absolutely killed in that role.
Another thing: I thought it was pretty clear that the Vera Farmiga character tipped off Dingham, but none of them even consider the point. They think she just…left? What would be the point of having her get the “if anything happens to me, listen to this and tell X” package from Leo, with X presumably being Dingham, the only other person who would believe Leo? She walks away from Damon at the funeral because she knows the kid isn’t his and is going to/already has turned him in to Dingham. Shea’s “She doesn’t turn him in because he’s the dad” is, like, the opposite.
 

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Listened to half of this so far. Mann talking about prison culture was great. He is playing along enough with the hosts enough while maintaining gravitas. Rewatchables is rarely serious but Mann is very serious. The Pacino “consoling” story is very funny.
 

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I just finished and it was truly amazing. I thought it might go bad because he would be grumpy and maybe think it was stupid but he played along and went into extreme detail. It was absolutely fascinating and I can’t wait for the prequel/sequel novel he talked about coming next summer. I’m so glad this exists
 

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Does the ringer have a contract with Apple TV+ to write about each of their new seasons?

Off the top of my head, I remember an article about the Morning Show when it came back and now Dickinson. I do like Dickinson and I do think the show should get more appreciation, but every time I see one of these pieces I am a bit surprised as I am not sure they are in the zeitgeist.

Maybe all online pop culture publications are writing about it and I only really visit the Ringer, or this writer just likes writing about Apple TV+

Not sure why I care, more just curious and wonder if they did, would they have to disclose it?
 

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They have (or at least had) the HBO disclosure on all HBO-related content so they would definitely disclose it. Given they’re wholly owned by Spotify and I doubt Apple had a stake in the early days, I think it’s more they just like Apple+ content.
 

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Does the ringer have a contract with Apple TV+ to write about each of their new seasons?

Off the top of my head, I remember an article about the Morning Show when it came back and now Dickinson. I do like Dickinson and I do think the show should get more appreciation, but every time I see one of these pieces I am a bit surprised as I am not sure they are in the zeitgeist.

Maybe all online pop culture publications are writing about it and I only really visit the Ringer, or this writer just likes writing about Apple TV+

Not sure why I care, more just curious and wonder if they did, would they have to disclose it?
Dickinson at least I have seen a lot of articles about the new season. Mostly though, I think they cover the premiere of big shows on all the streamers, and generally if one of the TV writers pitches a piece on something they let them write it. I mean, Katie Baker wrote about Yellowstone today... which is like 4 seasons in on Paramount?
 

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The episode of 60 Songs That Explain the '90s about "My Heart Will Go On" is top tier.

Harvilla's line about "drinking rosé from a firehose" killed me.
 

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The episode of 60 Songs That Explain the '90s about "My Heart Will Go On" is top tier.

Harvilla's line about "drinking rosé from a firehose" killed me.
My reaction to every song featured when the episodes get released, since about 10 in, has been, "Oh, fuck yeah." Rob has earned it by consistently putting out great work.
 

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I'll be disappointed if they don't find a way for Harvilla to keep doing something similar after this series is over.
 

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I’ve been very impressed with the new Plain English podcast with Derek Thompson. Topically, it’s nothing special— the typical salad of tech and culture from an Atlantic staff writer. But the devil is in the execution, and Thompson has been great so far: informative without being snarky, legitimately curious about what his guests have to say, and seems to be thinking on his toes in real time rather that just trotting out schtick.
 

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Fully agree on Plain English. Thompson had a Michael Lewis like way of making things conversational, only without the smarminess.
 

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Holy shit, the 60* Songs that Explain the 90s episode on Tom Petty** might be my favorite thing ever. Given the overall demo of SoSH, I'm guessing it's in the sweat spot for most of us.

(*And now, 90!)
(**It's Good To Be KIng, but, as almost always, it's an omnibus episode for the artist. Here, more than most, given Petty's catalog and his underappreciated importance- and weirdness- to 80s to mid 90s MTV music videos.
 

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Holy shit, the 60* Songs that Explain the 90s episode on Tom Petty** might be my favorite thing ever. Given the overall demo of SoSH, I'm guessing it's in the sweat spot for most of us.

(*And now, 90!)
(**It's Good To Be KIng, but, as almost always, it's an omnibus episode for the artist. Here, more than most, given Petty's catalog and his underappreciated importance- and weirdness- to 80s to mid 90s MTV music videos.
Couldn't agree more, this episode was outstanding and hit me right in the feels as a 44 year old father. Bizarrely, I was in a record store yesterday morning looking through the vinyl for something to add to my nascent collection and came across a copy of Wildflowers and All the Rest and decided I needed to have it. I returned to my desk and went to The Ringer and this podcast was the first thing I saw. Huge regrets that I never saw Petty live.
 

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Couldn't agree more, this episode was outstanding and hit me right in the feels as a 44 year old father. Bizarrely, I was in a record store yesterday morning looking through the vinyl for something to add to my nascent collection and came across a copy of Wildflowers and All the Rest and decided I needed to have it. I returned to my desk and went to The Ringer and this podcast was the first thing I saw. Huge regrets that I never saw Petty live.
As a 44 year old planning-to-be-father, I'm right there with you. I almost went to the Hollywood Bowl show- which became his last- and decided not to. Still kicking myself.

And I also picked up that album, a few weeks back.
 

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Holy shit, the 60* Songs that Explain the 90s episode on Tom Petty** might be my favorite thing ever. Given the overall demo of SoSH, I'm guessing it's in the sweat spot for most of us.

(*And now, 90!)
(**It's Good To Be KIng, but, as almost always, it's an omnibus episode for the artist. Here, more than most, given Petty's catalog and his underappreciated importance- and weirdness- to 80s to mid 90s MTV music videos.
Couldn't agree more, this episode was outstanding and hit me right in the feels as a 44 year old father. Bizarrely, I was in a record store yesterday morning looking through the vinyl for something to add to my nascent collection and came across a copy of Wildflowers and All the Rest and decided I needed to have it. I returned to my desk and went to The Ringer and this podcast was the first thing I saw. Huge regrets that I never saw Petty live.
Oh dang. I'm all set for the gym tomorrow, then.

I've posted about this elsewhere - probably in the thread dedicated to Petty's death - but Petty in the 1990s was really fascinating. When Wildflowers dropped, EVERYONE I knew was a fan - the stoners, soccer girls, band nerds, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads... They all adored it. I can't speak for everyone, but if you lived in the suburbs, that album was a huge, huge deal.

If you enjoy Wildflowers and All the Rest, you might want to pick up Angel Dream, too. It's a sort of second draft for Petty's soundtrack to She's the One - an album that included a lot of stuff originally recorded during the Wildflowers sessions. I listened to it incessantly over the summer.
 

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Van Lathan was on Russillo's podcast today and gave his take on the Flores lawsuit/systematic racism. Ryen wisely sat back. I thought it was an excellent listen.
 

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As a 44 year old planning-to-be-father, I'm right there with you. I almost went to the Hollywood Bowl show- which became his last- and decided not to. Still kicking myself.

And I also picked up that album, a few weeks back.
Funny enough my only time seeing Petty was at halftime of the Super Bowl that shall not be named. He rocked the shit out of the stadium, which from what I understand is different than many of the other past Super Bowl acts which rely more on backing tracks etc. It was sadly too short and I had mostly a feeling of relief returning to my seat from the restroom while listening after almost taking a header trying to go down the steps to my seat in a very dark area!
 

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Couldn't agree more, this episode was outstanding and hit me right in the feels as a 44 year old father. Bizarrely, I was in a record store yesterday morning looking through the vinyl for something to add to my nascent collection and came across a copy of Wildflowers and All the Rest and decided I needed to have it. I returned to my desk and went to The Ringer and this podcast was the first thing I saw. Huge regrets that I never saw Petty live.
I saw Tom Petty in I think 1982 as an afterthought, I really went to see opening act Split Enz. Tom Petty blew me away, so much so I went back two years later specifically to see him. And he sucked! He was so wasted he was literally walking into his microphone and then stopping like “whoa…” moral of the story-you could’ve seen the best show ever, or the worst lol
 

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Holy shit, the 60* Songs that Explain the 90s episode on Tom Petty** might be my favorite thing ever. Given the overall demo of SoSH, I'm guessing it's in the sweat spot for most of us.

(*And now, 90!)
(**It's Good To Be KIng, but, as almost always, it's an omnibus episode for the artist. Here, more than most, given Petty's catalog and his underappreciated importance- and weirdness- to 80s to mid 90s MTV music videos.
Is this one of those Spotify only podcasts? I had no luck trying to find it in Overcast..
 

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Sadly, yes. It's the only time I actually use Spotify for podcasts.
60 Songs and 10 Questions are the only ones I listen to on Spotify. Both are phenomenal podcasts. Otherwise, I use Pocketcasts.

Spotify's podcast app is hilariously bad. Like, it seems like they are trying to make it awful. All they need to do is copy Pocketcasts or something, which is what Facebook has done with every thing they have ever done, and it would be great. Instead it's clunky and quite specifically not intuitive. And their queue system is a mess. Kind of funny that Apple's podcast app isn't great, either.
 

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60 Songs and 10 Questions are the only ones I listen to on Spotify. Both are phenomenal podcasts. Otherwise, I use Pocketcasts.

Spotify's podcast app is hilariously bad. Like, it seems like they are trying to make it awful. All they need to do is copy Pocketcasts or something, which is what Facebook has done with every thing they have ever done, and it would be great. Instead it's clunky and quite specifically not intuitive. And their queue system is a mess. Kind of funny that Apple's podcast app isn't great, either.
I tried with Spotify podcasts for about a week but could not get it to keep my queue intact. I was sure I was the idiot, but decided to go back to Pocketcasts. Now I just periodically need to remember to go to Spotify for 60 Songs, though I fear we are heading for a future like we have with streaming video, requiring you to subscribe to multiple providers to get all of the content you want.
 

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60 Songs and 10 Questions are the only ones I listen to on Spotify. Both are phenomenal podcasts. Otherwise, I use Pocketcasts.

Spotify's podcast app is hilariously bad. Like, it seems like they are trying to make it awful. All they need to do is copy Pocketcasts or something, which is what Facebook has done with every thing they have ever done, and it would be great. Instead it's clunky and quite specifically not intuitive. And their queue system is a mess. Kind of funny that Apple's podcast app isn't great, either.
It's not so bad. For example all I want to do is download podcasts and then go to a particular podcast and sort if from newest to oldest and delete the old ones I've listened to and not see them again. Which is easy FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE on spotify.
 

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It's not so bad. For example all I want to do is download podcasts and then go to a particular podcast and sort if from newest to oldest and delete the old ones I've listened to and not see them again. Which is easy FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE on spotify.
Lol.

It's so bad. It boggles my mind that a company that big can't get their podcast app correct. Like, how difficult is it?

The lack of deleting the ones I've listened to is really the worst part of Spotify's app. Pocketcasts automatically deletes episodes that are listened to. And swipe to add to queue, which, if you need to customize, is right there with one touch. To delete from Spotify, you need a Masters in Computer Science.
 

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Lol.

It's so bad. It boggles my mind that a company that big can't get their podcast app correct. Like, how difficult is it?

The lack of deleting the ones I've listened to is really the worst part of Spotify's app. Pocketcasts automatically deletes episodes that are listened to. And swipe to add to queue, which, if you need to customize, is right there with one touch. To delete from Spotify, you need a Masters in Computer Science.
WHY DO LIKE 200 EPISODES OF REWATCHABLES KEEP SHOWING UP? I DONT WANT TO FILTER BY UNPLAYED ANY MORE.
 

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Oh wow, Harvilla made it 90 songs? That's awesome, because I was starting to worry he was going to be leaving some major heavy hitters off the table.
Right: this Petty ep was the crux, because it was #59* and the last two kinda had to be Nirvana and Britney. When I saw that there was "an announcement on the future of the show" I actually would have preferred it being that he was going to roll over to the 2000s- my personal fave decade- but I can see him not ever wanting to (it's when he went from music being entirely personal to it being a profession), but I'll definitely take this. As long as it wasn't "meh, we're ending this". I want as much of this podcast/format as possible, even if I'm stuck using fucking Spotify for it.

(*whether this was penultimate depended on if he was actually counting "You Get What You Give", #13, as an actual episode and not just a standalone emergency episode)
 

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Right: this Petty ep was the crux, because it was #59* and the last two kinda had to be Nirvana and Britney. When I saw that there was "an announcement on the future of the show" I actually would have preferred it being that he was going to roll over to the 2000s- my personal fave decade- but I can see him not ever wanting to (it's when he went from music being entirely personal to it being a profession), but I'll definitely take this. As long as it wasn't "meh, we're ending this". I want as much of this podcast/format as possible, even if I'm stuck using fucking Spotify for it.

(*whether this was penultimate depended on if he was actually counting "You Get What You Give", #13, as an actual episode and not just a standalone emergency episode)
Artists not included yet:

Pearl Jam (yes, Temple of the Dog was in there, but...)
Nine Inch Nails
Marilyn Manson
Eminem
Will Smith
The Offspring
Beastie Boys
Liz Phair
Aerosmith
U2
Ricky Martin
Michael Jackson
Foo Fighters
Green Day
Britney Spears
and of course, Nirvana

There's a lot to unpack with all of these artists. And a ton more. And I get that many of them are sort of referenced or, to use Simmons' term, "on the corner" of artists already represented, but it's *impossible* to tell the story of the music -- and culture -- of the 90s without talking about Marilyn Manson. Or Eminem. Or Michael Jackson. Or Green Day.
 

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Artists not included yet:

Pearl Jam (yes, Temple of the Dog was in there, but...)
Nine Inch Nails
Marilyn Manson
Eminem
Will Smith
The Offspring
Beastie Boys
Liz Phair
Aerosmith
U2
Ricky Martin
Michael Jackson
Foo Fighters
Green Day
Britney Spears
and of course, Nirvana

There's a lot to unpack with all of these artists. And a ton more. And I get that many of them are sort of referenced or, to use Simmons' term, "on the corner" of artists already represented, but it's *impossible* to tell the story of the music -- and culture -- of the 90s without talking about Marilyn Manson. Or Eminem. Or Michael Jackson. Or Green Day.
No argument here. I'd just personally prefer 60 2000s to 30 more 90s songs, if that was my choice. But I'm very happy that it isn't Nirvana, Britney, and out.
 

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Artists not included yet:

Pearl Jam (yes, Temple of the Dog was in there, but...)
Nine Inch Nails
Marilyn Manson
Eminem
Will Smith
The Offspring
Beastie Boys
Liz Phair
Aerosmith
U2
Ricky Martin
Michael Jackson
Foo Fighters
Green Day
Britney Spears
and of course, Nirvana

There's a lot to unpack with all of these artists. And a ton more. And I get that many of them are sort of referenced or, to use Simmons' term, "on the corner" of artists already represented, but it's *impossible* to tell the story of the music -- and culture -- of the 90s without talking about Marilyn Manson. Or Eminem. Or Michael Jackson. Or Green Day.
I'm a Stan, but I'm guessing/hoping he'll have The Black Crowes on there, maybe with Steve Hyden as the guest.
 

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No argument here. I'd just personally prefer 60 2000s to 30 more 90s songs, if that was my choice. But I'm very happy that it isn't Nirvana, Britney, and out.
I suspect he'll do a 2000s one eventually. It's one of the best music podcasts I've ever listened to, and while it took me a minute to get used to Rob's style, it's been a blast.
 

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I couldn’t be happier that we’re getting 30 more episodes. I’m an evangelist for this podcast, I tell everyone who will listen to… ummm… listen. His recent episode about Fiona Apple’s Criminal, which is one of my all time faves, was fantastic.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t get eps on several of the artists that you listed @CaptainLaddie. I would have thought many of them would have been featured already when Rob was planning on 60 and being done. He may want to include some deeper cuts.
 

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60 Songs and 10 Questions are the only ones I listen to on Spotify. Both are phenomenal podcasts. Otherwise, I use Pocketcasts.

Spotify's podcast app is hilariously bad. Like, it seems like they are trying to make it awful. All they need to do is copy Pocketcasts or something, which is what Facebook has done with every thing they have ever done, and it would be great. Instead it's clunky and quite specifically not intuitive. And their queue system is a mess. Kind of funny that Apple's podcast app isn't great, either.
Depending on whether you can stomach YouTube more than Spotify, I believe all the 10 Questions episodes are also on YouTube in full.