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He doesn’t like Foster in that movie so I think you’re right; he also wanted to throw Will Smith in something and I can’t remember what it was right now.
I know this one. He wanted to sub in Will for Denzel in fucking Man on Fire. He said on the Independence Day podcast.
 

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I don’t agree that Bill is the foil (generally) or not a curious person. I think fight club is way out of his wheelhouse so a 3rd would have been good. This is a dark movie and dark in a way that probably doesn’t make sense to a guy that everything has gone right for. Everything Billy Big Bucks touches turns to gold so not a great match.
SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rated R movie, you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.

Frankly the most intersting thing about him may be that someone who is so profoundly lacking in curiosity can surround himself with so many different talent people with a wide variety of interests.
 
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SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rate R movie , you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.
This is impressive. And I am someone who thinks Rusillo's podcast is, at present, significantly better than Simmons'. But that is just really well executed. Note, Rusillo's most recent podcast was an interview with Dan Patrick and it is a MUST LISTEN.

And I thought I read somewhere that Simmons lost his booker last year. Because his guest spots are very rare. He used to have names. In July, he's had one person on who isn't involved in the Ringer, and that was Ben Thompson.
 

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SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rated R movie, you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.

Frankly the most intersting thing about him may be that someone who is so profoundly lacking in curiosity can surround himself with so many different talent people with a wide variety of interests.
I don't have the numbers on me but Simmons has definitely had more women and more people of color on his podcast lately. He does the Russilo show almost every week, but throughout the postseason he has also had Big Wos and Seerat Sohi on pretty much every week as well.
 

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Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rate R movie , you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.
It's funny because I agree with you, but I also kind of think that Rusillo and Simmons are a perfect pairing of personalities. I find Simmons pretty unlistenable with someone like House or even Kevin O'Connor, but Russillo takes it to Simmons with no fear, poking fun at him for constantly re-adjusting his top 20 players list based on the last game. "So how many Suns are in the top twenty now? Is it still 3?" While they obviously share a demographic, they're almost the exact opposites as people, with Russillo being analytical to a fault and Simmons being entirely emotional.
 

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SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rated R movie, you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.

Frankly the most intersting thing about him may be that someone who is so profoundly lacking in curiosity can surround himself with so many different talent people with a wide variety of interests.
I think you're being uncharitable in your definition of "new and exciting things" given he got in on podcasting early, has become a documentary producer, and started and sold a company. Pop culture-wise, probably not.
 

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SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

I think you’re placing on curious a type of nerd/snob aspect that I do not. I’ve said before and I think it fits here, my personality maps a lot closer to a guy like Maron than Simmons but I wish I had Bill’s sunnier outlook. I don’t think you would describe Maron as not curious but from listening to both it isn’t clear to me that Maron knows more about more things, he just knows about different things. A person that is not curious cannot accomplish what Simmons did and continues to do.

I don’t think Russillo is that much like Simmons. Identity, sure; personality, not really.

Edit: btw, I don’t agree with Russillo being the rated R Simmons but I think it is a very funny write up and want to acknowledge it.
 

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Bill was awful in that without Fennessey there to challenge him.

Someone posted this in the FB group on response to the awful Reese Witherspoon take:

"If they ever decide to do an episode on Aliens, 10 to 1 that Simmons says they should have found a better actress to play Ripley.
Any takers?"
Not sure about the recasting but I’m 110% sure he will at some point suggest the movie is 10-20 minutes too long.
 

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I just finished the Fight Club pod and it wasn’t as bad as I was expecting but that could be because I already read all the bad takes from here first. This was definitely one that would have benefitted from a 3rd man. I bet Fennessey is furious they did this without him. He would have been perfect to discuss all the behind the camera filmmaking part of this movie with Chris Ryan. Klosterman would have been a good get although obviously that’s a little harder to arrange

Also, to be fair they made it seem like there was some real buzz in 1999 that Reese had been offered the part. But yeah Simmons actually wanting it to happen and saying it would be better and he didn’t like Bonham-Carter is up there with some of his worst movie takes. I don’t like re-casting couch. The name is bad and its usually just him saying “wouldn’t this be better with Matt Damon” or whichever hot blonde was big that year. Casting what-ifs is way better because it’s somewhat based in reality

I still love Billy Big Bucks and his bad movie takes and the podcast is great.
 

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It's funny because I agree with you, but I also kind of think that Rusillo and Simmons are a perfect pairing of personalities. I find Simmons pretty unlistenable with someone like House or even Kevin O'Connor, but Russillo takes it to Simmons with no fear, poking fun at him for constantly re-adjusting his top 20 players list based on the last game. "So how many Suns are in the top twenty now? Is it still 3?" While they obviously share a demographic, they're almost the exact opposites as people, with Russillo being analytical to a fault and Simmons being entirely emotional.
"What percentage would you say he was playing at, 71.5%? 81%?"

I love those light jabs. To Bill's credit, he seems to enjoy it as well now.
 

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This is impressive. And I am someone who thinks Rusillo's podcast is, at present, significantly better than Simmons'. But that is just really well executed. Note, Rusillo's most recent podcast was an interview with Dan Patrick and it is a MUST LISTEN.

And I thought I read somewhere that Simmons lost his booker last year. Because his guest spots are very rare. He used to have names. In July, he's had one person on who isn't involved in the Ringer, and that was Ben Thompson.
And yes, the Dan Patrick interview is excellent. Great listen. For some reason, I can never get enough of the inside ESPN drama that all ex-ESPN employees seem to love.
 

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I think you’re placing on curious a type of nerd/snob aspect that I do not. I’ve said before and I think it fits here, my personality maps a lot closer to a guy like Maron than Simmons but I wish I had Bill’s sunnier outlook. I don’t think you would describe Maron as not curious but from listening to both it isn’t clear to me that Maron knows more about more things, he just knows about different things. A person that is not curious cannot accomplish what Simmons did and continues to do.

I don’t think Russillo is that much like Simmons. Identity, sure; personality, not really.

Edit: btw, I don’t agree with Russillo being the rated R Simmons but I think it is a very funny write up and want to acknowledge it.
Doesn't curiosity literally mean wanting to learn new things? How do you have curiosity without a level or nerdiness?
 

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I just finished the Fight Club pod and it wasn’t as bad as I was expecting but that could be because I already read all the bad takes from here first. This was definitely one that would have benefitted from a 3rd man. I bet Fennessey is furious they did this without him. He would have been perfect to discuss all the behind the camera filmmaking part of this movie with Chris Ryan. Klosterman would have been a good get although obviously that’s a little harder to arrange

Also, to be fair they made it seem like there was some real buzz in 1999 that Reese had been offered the part. But yeah Simmons actually wanting it to happen and saying it would be better and he didn’t like Bonham-Carter is up there with some of his worst movie takes. I don’t like re-casting couch. The name is bad and its usually just him saying “wouldn’t this be better with Matt Damon” or whichever hot blonde was big that year. Casting what-ifs is way better because it’s somewhat based in reality

I still love Billy Big Bucks and his bad movie takes and the podcast is great.
Do we really not think that if Fennessey really wanted to be on this podcast, he would have been on it?
 

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And yes, the Dan Patrick interview is excellent. Great listen. For some reason, I can never get enough of the inside ESPN drama that all ex-ESPN employees seem to love.
The way they treated Patrick (with resentment) really is juicy.
 

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Do we really not think that if Fennessey really wanted to be on this podcast, he would have been on it?
I mean I don’t think he’s going to get legitimately mad or anything but it sounds like he’s on an extended vacation and this seems like a movie that would be right up his alley. Something similar happened when Chris went to Europe a few years ago and they covered one of his favorite movies (Jurassic Park maybe?)
 

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The Bodyguard is the newest Rewatchables. It was better than Fight Club because Van Latham was on it. But it was another two person rewatchable. You can't add Mallory Rubin to this Billy Boy? Or maybe even Rachel Lindsay? Perhaps a female perspective might have worked? Nah!

Anyway, the best exchange was this. First off, this Rewatchable is literally for a movie called The Bodyguard. Simmons goes onto to say that he really loves bodyguard movies and shows. He loves the bodyguard genre. Brings up Someone To Watch Over Me as a great bodyguard movie. And then says, "And that show where the guy from Game of Thrones who played the bodyguard. What was that called again?"

It was called Bodyguard, Bill. Bodyguard.
 

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The Bodyguard is the newest Rewatchables. It was better than Fight Club because Van Latham was on it. But it was another two person rewatchable. You can't add Mallory Rubin to this Billy Boy? Or maybe even Rachel Lindsay? Perhaps a female perspective might have worked? Nah!

Anyway, the best exchange was this. First off, this Rewatchable is literally for a movie called The Bodyguard. Simmons goes onto to say that he really loves bodyguard movies and shows. He loves the bodyguard genre. Brings up Someone To Watch Over Me as a great bodyguard movie. And then says, "And that show where the guy from Game of Thrones who played the bodyguard. What was that called again?"

It was called Bodyguard, Bill. Bodyguard.
View: https://youtu.be/DIrIvKKT_nk
 

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The Bodyguard is the newest Rewatchables. It was better than Fight Club because Van Latham was on it. But it was another two person rewatchable. You can't add Mallory Rubin to this Billy Boy? Or maybe even Rachel Lindsay? Perhaps a female perspective might have worked? Nah!

Anyway, the best exchange was this. First off, this Rewatchable is literally for a movie called The Bodyguard. Simmons goes onto to say that he really loves bodyguard movies and shows. He loves the bodyguard genre. Brings up Someone To Watch Over Me as a great bodyguard movie. And then says, "And that show where the guy from Game of Thrones who played the bodyguard. What was that called again?"

It was called Bodyguard, Bill. Bodyguard.
I liked that and the exchange in which Bill tells Van that DeVaughn Nixon, who played Houston's son in the movie, is going to play Norm Nixon in the upcoming show about the Showtime Lakers, and then Van tells him that DeVaughn is Norm Nixon's son, which Simmons clearly did not know. I guess that tidbit was in the other cheek of his "half-assed research".
 

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Reese Witherspoon instead of Helena Bonham Carter might be the worst recasting couch suggestion that I've ever heard.
Has to be because Reese was the love interest in American Psycho, right? The second film ever made with an unreliable narrator and a scathing look at commercialism.
 

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The Bodyguard is the newest Rewatchables. It was better than Fight Club because Van Latham was on it. But it was another two person rewatchable. You can't add Mallory Rubin to this Billy Boy? Or maybe even Rachel Lindsay? Perhaps a female perspective might have worked? Nah!

Anyway, the best exchange was this. First off, this Rewatchable is literally for a movie called The Bodyguard. Simmons goes onto to say that he really loves bodyguard movies and shows. He loves the bodyguard genre. Brings up Someone To Watch Over Me as a great bodyguard movie. And then says, "And that show where the guy from Game of Thrones who played the bodyguard. What was that called again?"

It was called Bodyguard, Bill. Bodyguard.
Has to be because Reese was the love interest in American Psycho, right? The second film ever made with an unreliable narrator and a scathing look at commercialism.
This was great and didn’t need a third, imo. Also, Van not knowing “I will always love you” was a Dolly song was as out of touch as anything Bill has ever said, but also hilarious.

I don’t think the Reese thing is that deep, he probably brought it up because they covered Legally Blonde and Bill often shows a little recency bias.
 

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The Magic are the early winners, with some of the surprises early on they have Suggs and Wagner fall into their laps. Those are two nice high-floor pieces to get.

Edit: maybe Wagner didn't "fall into their laps", but a nice pairing with Suggs in terms of fit...
Speaking of the draft, the Ringer's coverage tonight has been pretty terrible. They're locked into this "Green Room" Spotify spin-off app that only allows 1,500 people to view a broadcast at a time. I was hoping to watch Simmons/Russilo/KOC, but it filled up by the time I tried to join. It is what it is due to the Spotify tie-in, but it would've been significantly better on YouTube or Twitch. Plus there was zero marketing for the broadcast, which is probably one of the bigger events of the year for the Ringer with all its NBA focus.
 

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Speaking of the draft, the Ringer's coverage tonight has been pretty terrible. They're locked into this "Green Room" Spotify spin-off app that only allows 1,500 people to view a broadcast at a time. I was hoping to watch Simmons/Russilo/KOC, but it filled up by the time I tried to join. It is what it is due to the Spotify tie-in, but it would've been significantly better on YouTube or Twitch. Plus there was zero marketing for the broadcast, which is probably one of the bigger events of the year for the Ringer with all its NBA focus.
True, I was going to see if anyone had posted about this which is why my draft take ended up here. Just horrible, I am guessing they are beholden to doing this live show on a Spotify platform instead of the obvious YouTube outlet like the Ringer had done in the past. I actually took the effort to download Green Room and saw the tiny streaming limit (womp womp). I am watching the Locked On live stream which features Chad Ford and this has been fairly entertaining. Which is all the more befuddling why the Ringer is opting to broadcast to a max 1,500 people pushing me to find these alternatives that I may replace with my Ringer content in the future, which I consume quite a bit of.
 

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I've been listening to 'Gene and Roger', the story of Siskel and Ebert's rise to fame, an 8-part podcast from The Big Picture and host Brian Raftery. The first three have been excellent and I'm looking forward to hearing the rest. Thumbs up!
 

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I've been listening to 'Gene and Roger', the story of Siskel and Ebert's rise to fame, an 8-part podcast from The Big Picture and host Brian Raftery. The first three have been excellent and I'm looking forward to hearing the rest. Thumbs up!
I wish they had either ran his pods longer, or released them all at once. They're kind of short, and it's not like there's anything going on with the subject currently, so I don't understand the weekly release schedule.
 

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I wish they had either ran his pods longer, or released them all at once. They're kind of short, and it's not like there's anything going on with the subject currently, so I don't understand the weekly release schedule.
I wonder if it's the difference between download and subscribe? If I get the tip on a good episode, I'm more likely to download and skip the subscribe to not clutter my feed. With a weekly release, I'll subscribe.

I'm halfway through the limited run on Len Bias. Really enjoying (wrong word?) that one quite a bit.
 

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The worst example of this was when he wanted a bigger actress cast than Jodhi May in the Alice Monroe (the younger sister) role in The Last of the Mohicans. The actress is on screen for maybe five to seven minutes and has maybe four lines, if that. Meryl Streep is not flying to North Carolina in the summer to do that!

With many of his suggestions, Bill acts like movies have unlimited budgets, and great actors sit by their phones waiting to jet off anywhere to add star power to a movie by playing a role that has lines on a page or two of the script.
Also, Simmons didn’t seem to understand that the character is supposed to be a *teenage girl* who is callow to the extreme and probably a little dim, hence the Madeleine Stowe character (her sister) being so protective of her. She’s introduced by saying to Duncan (the Major) “Have you seen the red men? This is so exciting!” May’s job was to project innocence and ignorance for 4 minutes and jaded realization for 1 minute, and she did that just fine. Any bigger name actress would have outshone the role.
 

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Also, Simmons didn’t seem to understand that the character is supposed to be a *teenage girl* who is callow to the extreme and probably a little dim, hence the Madeleine Stowe character (her sister) being so protective of her. She’s introduced by saying to Duncan (the Major) “Have you seen the red men? This is so exciting!” May’s job was to project innocence and ignorance for 4 minutes and jaded realization for 1 minute, and she did that just fine. Any bigger name actress would have outshone the role.
I re-watched this last night (it's on HBO), and I actually remembered Remagellan's post that you quote above. I spent the re-watch thinking about how stupid and unnecessary it would have been to have a bigger actress in the May role - as you say, the point is for her to basically just be there. It's better that you don't have big-name actress in it.

Also, and really apropos of nothing, Mohicans is a great movie. I hadn't watched it in a while and thoroughly enjoyed it last night.
 

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Yeah it’s a fun movie. I was hiking last week and my kids got far ahead of us on the trail so I had to run and jump and dodge other hikers to catch up so they didn’t get lost and I said to my wife later “I was like goddamn ‘Last of the Mohicans’ flying down that trail!”
 

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Last of the Mohicans is an all-time great role and May is wonderful in it. Her expression before jumping off the cliff always makes me a little misty.
 

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Rob Harvilla's latest, BoyzIIMen's End of the Road was quite possibly the best podcast I have listened to this year. It's so ridiculously funny, it should be charged with a crime for breaking the comedy scale.

Every episode of this pod is better than the last. What an achievement. Rob is taking August off but will do the last 20 songs starting in September. And I can't wait. But it is a good time to catch up on the old episodes while he's off.
 

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Every episode of this pod is better than the last.

I only disagree with this because I think it is impossible for him to do better than he did on the 3rd Eye Blind episode. The story about the Jenkins response to the Rob Thomas insult was phenomenal.
 

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I only disagree with this because I think it is impossible for him to do better than he did on the 3rd Eye Blind episode. The story about the Jenkins response to the Rob Thomas insult was phenomenal.
You're not making an insane statement, that episode was awesome.

But End of the Road is better. Listen to it and you'll see.
 

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SImmons has a lot of great attributes--he's funny, seems to be a great boss, has consistently been betting right on the future of media, and knows what's popular with a certain demographic that's pretty much all of us-- but it's very hard for me to see curiosity as one of them.

Many of us have been reading him for twenty years--where is he branching off into new and exciting things? I'm willing to be wrong on this but has he ever shown interest in a movie made before 1970 of made outside of the US? What is the evidence of his curiosity? He did get into international football for a bit a decade or so ago but he's abandoned that. He can have pretty much anyone as a guest and who does he spend the most time with nowadays? Russillo, a 45 year old white hoops fan from Mass, a guy whose media persona is, I think, an edgy Bill Simmons, not the Bill Simmons from the PG-13 movie who you're really hoping makes it happen, but the Bill Simmons from the rated R movie, you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet.

Frankly the most intersting thing about him may be that someone who is so profoundly lacking in curiosity can surround himself with so many different talent people with a wide variety of interests.
This is basically the speech that Double-Down Trent gives in Swingers to Favreau.

Simmons would be proud of you.
 

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This is basically the speech that Double-Down Trent gives in Swingers to Favreau.

Simmons would be proud of you.
Unlike Simmons I'll totally fess up to stealing an idea from a funnier person. Absolutely I stole it from Swingers, I thought it was funny to mock Simmons by stealing a joke from a 25 year old movie.
 

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Spoilered the quote because people should listen to the 3EBlind episode.

“He made fun of me. Called me a fat guy. Screw you! He has no soul whatsoever. He and his band got into a fight once because he wanted to put just his picture on their T-shirt. I just think, ‘You are walking, breathing, living cheese!’” —Rob Thomas, frontman, Matchbox Twenty. Rob had gained 40 pounds on the first major Matchbox Twenty tour.

“I don’t hate him, I just don’t like him. He has no soul. He’s really just a cock.” —Rob Thomas, immortal singer of Santana’s “Smooth,” 10 years after the Walking Cheese thingwas pre-“Smooth.” He was still mortal then.



From a RS article referenced in the pod, RS is interviewing Jenkins


And Rob Thomas?

He's the guy in Matchbox 20?

Yes, he is.

He's obsessed; he won't shut up about me. I don't know him.

You never said he was fat?

I have no idea. But if I blew up to Elvis-like proportions, I would expect Rolling Stone to make fun of me, and I would take it in stride.

He called you "a good archenemy."

He's not my archenemy - I don't know him. I don't have any idea what he weighs.

He then said to you, "I just think you are walking, breathing, living cheese."

See? Even when he's talking about me, he has to use food references.
 

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Spoilered the quote because people should listen to the 3EBlind episode.

“He made fun of me. Called me a fat guy. Screw you! He has no soul whatsoever. He and his band got into a fight once because he wanted to put just his picture on their T-shirt. I just think, ‘You are walking, breathing, living cheese!’” —Rob Thomas, frontman, Matchbox Twenty. Rob had gained 40 pounds on the first major Matchbox Twenty tour.

“I don’t hate him, I just don’t like him. He has no soul. He’s really just a cock.” —Rob Thomas, immortal singer of Santana’s “Smooth,” 10 years after the Walking Cheese thingwas pre-“Smooth.” He was still mortal then.



From a RS article referenced in the pod, RS is interviewing Jenkins


And Rob Thomas?

He's the guy in Matchbox 20?

Yes, he is.

He's obsessed; he won't shut up about me. I don't know him.

You never said he was fat?

I have no idea. But if I blew up to Elvis-like proportions, I would expect Rolling Stone to make fun of me, and I would take it in stride.

He called you "a good archenemy."

He's not my archenemy - I don't know him. I don't have any idea what he weighs.

He then said to you, "I just think you are walking, breathing, living cheese."

See? Even when he's talking about me, he has to use food references.
Just the first few minutes of the episode where he reads quotes about Jenkins from other musicians is gold, culminating in Harvilla deciding that it's excessive and too mean and pulls the one nice quote.
 

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Just the first few minutes of the episode where he reads quotes about Jenkins from other musicians is gold, culminating in Harvilla deciding that it's excessive and too mean and pulls the one nice quote.
I should mention Limp Bizket's Nookie episode is also podcasting genius. I don't think anything could ever top End of the Road, but he's got 20 more to win me over.

But Nookie is most certainly great and worth listening to ASAP.
 

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I should mention Limp Bizket's Nookie episode is also podcasting genius. I don't think anything could ever top End of the Road, but he's got 20 more to win me over.

But Nookie is most certainly great and worth listening to ASAP.
Loved that one too. Also enjoyed the Chris Ryan(Pavement) and Bill Simmons(Smashing Pumpkins) spots
 

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Just the first few minutes of the episode where he reads quotes about Jenkins from other musicians is gold, culminating in Harvilla deciding that it's excessive and too mean and pulls the one nice quote.
I have listened to the pre interview part of this pod 4 times, you are correct to call it gold.
 

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In The Bodyguard episode, Simmons calls Whitney’s career an “8 year comet” that basically flamed out after “The Bodyguard” soundtrack, but that’s not true at all. While “I Will Always Love You” was obviously a peak she (nor anybody except maybe 2-3 other people, ever) could re-attain, she had 6 goddamned Billboard Top 10 hits, including 4 Top 5 hits, (and all of her singles were top 25 or better) and was in several hit movies, after that album faded into the rear view.

Whitney’s career post-Bodyguard was still massive, despite her tragic decline from 2009-2012.
 

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In The Bodyguard episode, Simmons calls Whitney’s career an “8 year comet” that basically flamed out after “The Bodyguard” soundtrack, but that’s not true at all. While “I Will Always Love You” was obviously a peak she (nor anybody except maybe 2-3 other people, ever) could re-attain, she had 6 goddamned Billboard Top 10 hits, including 4 Top 5 hits, (and all of her singles were top 25 or better) and was in several hit movies, after that album faded into the rear view.

Whitney’s career post-Bodyguard was still massive, despite her tragic decline from 2009-2012.
I wouldn't say massive. She had the 2 movies /soundtracks... But really only one huge hit (Its Not Right, But It's OK) after 1996. And that was the only one and it was in 1998. He wasn't horribly off. She was a GOAT contender after 8 years. Then... A very respected and profitable pop star for a couple more years. Then fell off and came back with one more hit.
 

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I wouldn't say massive. She had the 2 movies /soundtracks... But really only one huge hit (Its Not Right, But It's OK) after 1996. And that was the only one and it was in 1998. He wasn't horribly off. She was a GOAT contender after 8 years. Then... A very respected and profitable pop star for a couple more years. Then fell off and came back with one more hit.
That’s fair, and his comparison to Eddie Murphy bears that out a bit (although the Gooden one doesn’t sit with me as much; it undersells WH’s peak successes and subsequent still very successful, though not legendary, later career). I feel a better comp is someone like Griffey Jr.; all-world talent and an insane first decade followed by a disappointing (only by comparison) late career that ran into a couple of stumbling blocks, but was still “very good” by almost any other measure.