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It’s remarkably incompetent to biff any portion of an interview with a world leader.
I mean he’s neurotic by definition but when Obama was on Marc Maron’s cast, Maron said he had two backup recordings running.
 

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It was a very good podcast, but yes the recurring audio thing is so strange. Like you can put a post-it on your computer "TURN SOUND ON!!" or yell at your producer to remind you of it before every episode.
 

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I mean he’s neurotic by definition but when Obama was on Marc Maron’s cast, Maron said he had two backup recordings running.
Well, I’m a lot more like Maron but I wish I was a lot more like Bill.
 

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Well, I’m a lot more like Maron but I wish I was a lot more like Bill.
Interesting thought experiment!
I personally think I’m more like MM, and in fact almost certainly have more in common with MM (music tastes, general attitudes, sense of humor in most cases). And I might enjoy talking to MM more. I’d love to have MM as a neighbor across the street. But yea, Simmons is clearly more of a generally happy person.
 

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Is his "producer" still Nephew Kyle? Because that would explain a lot.
Yes, yes it is. "These are my readers producers!"
I will say, Kyle had a hilarious line on Russillo's podcast this week. Ryen was giving advice on HOAs and Kyle had no concept of what they are, asking if it was something similar to the illuminati or a nationwide brand of some sort.
 

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I enjoyed the Obama podcast, but that might have been just because I appreciated listening to a president who sounds like a normal person and has an IQ over 80.
 

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I will say, Kyle had a hilarious line on Russillo's podcast this week. Ryen was giving advice on HOAs and Kyle had no concept of what they are, asking if it was something similar to the illuminati or a nationwide brand of some sort.
I was just going back through this week's podcasts and wow, that was funny. I will say if there was some nationwide HOA, that board would definitely have more power than the President.
 

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Chris Ryan doing a Pacino impression with lines from whatever movie they happen to be covering should be a category for every movie
 

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Chris Ryan doing a Pacino impression with lines from whatever movie they happen to be covering should be a category for every movie
I mean, it basically is. There can't be too many movies at this point that he's on where he doesn't do it.

I am very in for the inevitable Ringer CR Great Confluence of the Blown Away episode where he does Tommy Lee Jones recast as Pacino but with Bono's "Irish" accent.
 

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Been listening to some "Big Picture" (just watched Tenet and trying to hear some takes) and jeepers creepers Dobbins is awful. I don't find her funny (jokes putting yourself down for being self-obsessed are hard to pull off,particularly if your'e self obsessed) she seems to not be able to follow the plots in movies well, if she doesn't like Fincher/Nolan/sci-fi/superhero/animation -including Pixar and Studio ghibli because she doesn't like kid's movies) that's fine I guess "I don't care about this type of movie" is not particularly interesting criticism. Especially when she's a fan of genre films just the genre of rom-coms.

Sean F. is pretty pretentious but we end up having similar tastes and he's pretty well informed so I can handle it. But Dobbins, man. this middle aged dude is not her target audience.
 

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Been listening to some "Big Picture" (just watched Tenet and trying to hear some takes) and jeepers creepers Dobbins is awful. I don't find her funny (jokes putting yourself down for being self-obsessed are hard to pull off,particularly if your'e self obsessed) she seems to not be able to follow the plots in movies well, if she doesn't like Fincher/Nolan/sci-fi/superhero/animation -including Pixar and Studio ghibli because she doesn't like kid's movies) that's fine I guess "I don't care about this type of movie" is not particularly interesting criticism. Especially when she's a fan of genre films just the genre of rom-coms.

Sean F. is pretty pretentious but we end up having similar tastes and he's pretty well informed so I can handle it. But Dobbins, man. this middle aged dude is not her target audience.
Dobbins is rough. Everything she says is either insulting, dismissive, or off putting. She's haughty but unconvincingly self deprecating. But it's the dismissiveness that really drags down the show. She mocks or insults everything but rom coms or period pieces. (as you noted above.) It's a *movie* podcast, for christ's sakes.

It sucks because I really like Fennessy and when Ryan is on with Dobbins and Fenn, the podcast is so much better because CR's presence is a modulating influence. The Ringer has an incredible staff of talented female podcasters. Littman, Rubin,(historically great) Halliwell, Kelly, Lindsay, and Princiotti(who is amazing) are all excellent.

So I don't think it's a target audience thing, because I like everyone else. Dobbins just sucks.
 

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Yeah I don’t listen much unless I’m interested in the movie or topic but I wish it was the Fennessey show with guests based on the movie they’re covering. The conversations are boring if it’s just those 2 and she’s not interested. It’s crazy she’s a host of a movie podcast
 

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After seeing the Frsncis Ford Coppola recut of Godfather III, I went back and relistened to the Rewatchables for the film, which Imthought was interesting at the time because Simmons, Ryan and Fennessey were Pretty complimentary to the original version (while absolutely calling out flaws). Was time well spent.
 

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I can’t let this pass... Why does Bill totally mangle the pronunciation of a common word in nearly every episode of The Rewatchables? I’m listening to The Program episode, and not once, but twice, he says “subseeequent” with emphasis on the “seee”. He must be reading, because no human being would say the word that way naturally. It’s happened a few times recently, but this was the one that made me comment. It’s hysterical that no one calls him out on it.
 

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Yeah I don’t listen much unless I’m interested in the movie or topic but I wish it was the Fennessey show with guests based on the movie they’re covering. The conversations are boring if it’s just those 2 and she’s not interested. It’s crazy she’s a host of a movie podcast
Not just a movie podcast. A ringer movie podcast. We listen because we like dude bro movies. I didn’t sign up for a podcast called hagganndaaz, a box of tissues, and a good cry with Leo. Also for someone with middling tastes her arrogance is unreal; even when she discusses her favorite films it’s middlebrow stuff and not exactly a dialogue with Richard Brody about l’enfant sauvage.
 

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I can’t let this pass... Why does Bill totally mangle the pronunciation of a common word in nearly every episode of The Rewatchables? I’m listening to The Program episode, and not once, but twice, he says “subseeequent” with emphasis on the “seee”. He must be reading, because no human being would say the word that way naturally. It’s happened a few times recently, but this was the one that made me comment. It’s hysterical that no one calls him out on it.
Ha. I caught that, too.

You're right, though - he routinely mispronounces things.
 

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Not just a movie podcast. A ringer movie podcast. We listen because we like dude bro movies. I didn’t sign up for a podcast called hagganndaaz, a box of tissues, and a good cry with Leo. Also for someone with middling tastes her arrogance is unreal; even when she discusses her favorite films it’s middlebrow stuff and not exactly a dialogue with Richard Brody about l’enfant sauvage.
Her dismissive coolness is very off putting.

And Simmons' pronouncing subSEEquent is amazing. That's just bad. His Robit is funny to me. But you can't fuck up subsequent. But it seems like words are flexible. I've been saying in-ta-gral for years when saying integral. But I've noticed on multiple podcasts, people are saying in-TEG-gral. I have no idea.
 

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Not just a movie podcast. A ringer movie podcast. We listen because we like dude bro movies. I didn’t sign up for a podcast called hagganndaaz, a box of tissues, and a good cry with Leo. Also for someone with middling tastes her arrogance is unreal; even when she discusses her favorite films it’s middlebrow stuff and not exactly a dialogue with Richard Brody about l’enfant sauvage.
yes that’s exactly what I was saying. Thanks for that bro *fist bump*

Have you ever actually listened to the show? As others have said she’s condescending not just to movies she doesn’t like but to entire genres, which also make up most of the movies released. Not just dumb action movies but also animated movies (which she calls cartoons), any sports movie, horror, fantasy, etc.

But hopefully you feel better about yourself
 

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I try and be very careful and self-reflective when I have a negative reaction to a female podcaster, to examine my biases and how much of it is conditioned and socialized. This applies especially to voice and inflection, but also opinion and what bits of pop culture are important, knowing that a lot of it is well regarded and canon because it was made by people like me with the tastes of people like me in mind. I have spent a lot of time thinking about this in regards to The Big Picture.

I'm still happy when she's not on a given episode.
 

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yes that’s exactly what I was saying. Thanks for that bro *fist bump*

Have you ever actually listened to the show? As others have said she’s condescending not just to movies she doesn’t like but to entire genres, which also make up most of the movies released. Not just dumb action movies but also animated movies (which she calls cartoons), any sports movie, horror, fantasy, etc.

But hopefully you feel better about yourself
I could be wrong but I think you totally misread the tone of his post. He’s saying she’s miscast and her haughty attitude is unwarranted, besides.
 

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Dobbins is rough. Everything she says is either insulting, dismissive, or off putting. She's haughty but unconvincingly self deprecating. But it's the dismissiveness that really drags down the show. She mocks or insults everything but rom coms or period pieces. (as you noted above.) It's a *movie* podcast, for christ's sakes.

It sucks because I really like Fennessy and when Ryan is on with Dobbins and Fenn, the podcast is so much better because CR's presence is a modulating influence. The Ringer has an incredible staff of talented female podcasters. Littman, Rubin,(historically great) Halliwell, Kelly, Lindsay, and Princiotti(who is amazing) are all excellent.

So I don't think it's a target audience thing, because I like everyone else. Dobbins just sucks.
I’m glad there’s a woman co-host, and she and Fennessy seem to have a genuine friendship and chemistry that elevates the podcast at times.

I agree, though, that while she does have a lot of film knowledge, her lists/reviews/comments skew too much to her own personal tastes for a podcast that is trying to find the right mix of pop culture and elevated film discussion.

The Pixar comments here are a good observation. There’s a continuous debate between Fennessy/CR and BS/Dobbins if these are kids movies or can also belong in an adult list. And that’s fine, I guess, if she has the opinion that an animated movie shouldn’t be on the same level as live action actors. But then she repeatedly brings up how Inside Out is the exception and a great film. I like that movie a lot. It’s unfair, though, as the professional movie voice, to elevate that movie just because you personally can relate to the coming of age female character when there are a half dozen other Pixar movies on the same level or better.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t be sharing her personal taste. That’s part of the podcast as well. For what I think they’re going for, though, sometimes it’s overwhelming.
 

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I’m glad there’s a woman co-host, and she and Fennessy seem to have a genuine friendship and chemistry that elevates the podcast at times.
I've got no problem with Dobbins being a woman. I have a problem with Dobbins' dismissiveness and faux coolness and closed view of the movie realm. The Ringer has a lot of very talented female podcasters. Halliwell, Littman, or Princiotti(although she's sports), would make the Big Picture so much better. I'm pretty sure Liz Kelly would, too. Rubin, of course, but I can't imagine she would ever do The Big Picture.

None of the women listed above would be yes woman for Fennessy and, frankly, he doesn't even need that. But it would be far far less off putting and frustrating.
 

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Her dismissive coolness is very off putting.

And Simmons' pronouncing subSEEquent is amazing. That's just bad. His Robit is funny to me. But you can't fuck up subsequent. But it seems like words are flexible. I've been saying in-ta-gral for years when saying integral. But I've noticed on multiple podcasts, people are saying in-TEG-gral. I have no idea.
It's minor, and a common one, and a pet peeve of mine, but he also says "eck cetera."

EDIT: He just pronounced troika as "Troy-oh-ka."
 
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It's minor, and a common one, and a pet peeve of mine, but he also says "eck cetera."

EDIT: He just pronounced troika as "Troy-oh-ka."
He has to be reading notes when he butchers these words. There’s no other explanation, since he does it so often to so many words.
 

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It's minor, and a common one, and a pet peeve of mine, but he also says "eck cetera."

EDIT: He just pronounced troika as "Troy-oh-ka."
Conversely, one of my favorite college football podcasters uses the correct Roman pronunciation (with a hard C) which I appreciate. I’d adopt it myself, but people already think I’m pretentious.
 

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Amy Nicholson is great. I'm sure The Ringer could pay her more than Ear Wolf. But, she knows her shit and doesn't half-ass things, so I'm not sure she'd fit The Rewatchables brand.
Of course, we're talking about The Big Picture, where Nicholson would fit in perfectly.
 

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Nicholson can get a little too hot takey for me at times on Unspooled, but I'd agree she'd be a fantastic addition. If nothing else, she's forced me into viewing a lot of my old favorites through a different critical lens.

I will say for as much as I steer away from the Big Picture episodes with certain interview subjects I'd find boring, or when Adam Nayman is on unchecked by Chris Ryan, I've really enjoyed the movie draft episodes during quarantine.
 

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I could be wrong but I think you totally misread the tone of his post. He’s saying she’s miscast and her haughty attitude is unwarranted, besides.
This is a little late but that's what I was getting at. Her knowledge of film seems pretty limited for a 35 year old film critic, and while I enjoy Oceans 12, Apollo 13, social network, and skyfall they don't rate as kind of the greatest films of all time. And I certainly don't think someone who thinks Clueless is a great film has exactly the stature to say pixar and marvel movies are for kids.
 

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Well, she's not a film critic. I don't think she'd ever call herself that- she's an editor at a pop culture site. Even Fennessey would never call himself a critic, and he has way more chops than she does. The closest thing to a 'critic' for The Ringer/The Big Picture is Nayman.
 

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Well, she's not a film critic. I don't think she'd ever call herself that- she's an editor at a pop culture site. Even Fennessey would never call himself a critic, and he has way more chops than she does. The closest thing to a 'critic' for The Ringer/The Big Picture is Nayman.
Ok, fine, not a film critic. Her knowledge of movies and her sophistication suck for a 35 year old film critic editor at a pop culture site who has a widely listened to and distributed twice a week hour long podcast in which she reviews and criticizes films.

Nayman can also suck an egg but that's a different topic.
 
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Listening to the 1995 draft on the Big Picture... am I the only Gen Xer who doesn’t have a deep, meaningful relationship to Kicking & Screaming? Fine if I am, but that movie didn’t do it for me, and I’ve been so confused at the reverence for it among the Ringer folks.
 

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Listening to the 1995 draft on the Big Picture... am I the only Gen Xer who doesn’t have a deep, meaningful relationship to Kicking & Screaming? Fine if I am, but that movie didn’t do it for me, and I’ve been so confused at the reverence for it among the Ringer folks.
The half caf movie?
Edit: no, I must have seen this, I saw everything in the 90s.
 
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Listening to the 1995 draft on the Big Picture... am I the only Gen Xer who doesn’t have a deep, meaningful relationship to Kicking & Screaming? Fine if I am, but that movie didn’t do it for me, and I’ve been so confused at the reverence for it among the Ringer folks.
I was, and am, a big Chris Eigemann fan from Metropolitan and Barcelona (both of which I think were more impactful among at least my coterie of Gen X), but Kicking and Screaming completely passed me by in the '90s. I eventually saw it ~ 10 years ago and a again more recently after the Rewatchables and I recognize the characters well, but the movie doesn't have any special resonance for me. Maybe if I had seen it in '95...
 

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One thing the Rewatchables and other Ringer nostalgia machine content has reminded me of is that for a lot of this stuff, you had to be there. I saw Beautiful Girls for the first time last year, and man, that is not a good movie. But maybe it would've resonated with me if I saw it when it came out.
 

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One thing the Rewatchables and other Ringer nostalgia machine content has reminded me of is that for a lot of this stuff, you had to be there. I saw Beautiful Girls for the first time last year, and man, that is not a good movie. But maybe it would've resonated with me if I saw it when it came out.
You have champagne tastes in movies. Fucking things brown.
 

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One thing the Rewatchables and other Ringer nostalgia machine content has reminded me of is that for a lot of this stuff, you had to be there. I saw Beautiful Girls for the first time last year, and man, that is not a good movie. But maybe it would've resonated with me if I saw it when it came out.
I saw it years ago. I guess a little after it came to cable. Other than knowing Natalie Portman was going to be a star, Nothing memorable about it. Plus whoever told Rosie O'Donnell she could act? It's like she's always talking while chewing gum.
 

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One thing the Rewatchables and other Ringer nostalgia machine content has reminded me of is that for a lot of this stuff, you had to be there. I saw Beautiful Girls for the first time last year, and man, that is not a good movie. But maybe it would've resonated with me if I saw it when it came out.
Yeah. I saw this during those weird, immediately post-college, years after moving away and there's a tone to it that struck home at that time in my life. That bittersweet but freeing feeling of going back and seeing your home, and old friends, and old neighbors (I guess?) in a different light after crossing the line into adulthood and not being tied there anymore. I could relate very much. But divorced from that time of my life, the movie doesn't seem to be anything special at all.

I think a lot of movies are like that though. For instance, had I not first seen Dazed and Confused when I was actually *in high school,* I'm not sure I would like it nearly as much as I do.
 

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Definitely. I can't get into a lot of old movies, even great classics, for varied reasons. It's hard to figure out what you'll like from listenting to he Rewatchables. Bill and Chris being excited about something is just inextricable from their nostalgia for it (or the general need to be excited about something for a podcast like that). I'll listen to a episode and decide I need to see something again, and then I do, and it's a dud as often as a thrill.
 

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Definitely. I can't get into a lot of old movies, even great classics, for varied reasons. It's hard to figure out what you'll like from listenting to he Rewatchables. Bill and Chris being excited about something is just inextricable from their nostalgia for it (or the general need to be excited about something for a podcast like that). I'll listen to a episode and decide I need to see something again, and then I do, and it's a dud as often as a thrill.
Well their bias and often perplexing enthusiasm is part of the show; that's basically Bill Simmons' brand. If you share it, it's great! If you don't, you just have to sit back and kind of critically assess his/their commentary with a huge grain of salt and decide (like you do) whether to buy into it or not.

For instance, Rocky IV is probably a necessary-but-not-sufficient foundational element to Bill Simmons' entire world view and life's path. If that movie did not exist, Bill Simmons as we know him doesn't exist. But it's a dogshit movie. And that's ok, because Simmons, Ryan, et. al don't really claim otherwise. They defend *liking* it, but not it's critical appraisal. Ryan, in particular, is pretty good about calling something shitty out as shitty and keeping things honest. And that's what I like about The Rewatchables, because I even if I can't identify with loving the movie in question, I can absolutely identify with liking stuff that is objectively kind of crappy. I am a huge Rolling Stones fan, but I would much rather listen to and discuss over a few beers the kind-of-shitty "Undercover" album than "Sticky Fingers," which is a masterpiece.

I think that kind of gets back to why Dobbins can be grating; she tries to impart a phony element of objective quality to justify her opinions and that's not in the spirit of the show; she's like someone walking into a karaoke party and judging people by how good their voice is. It's missing the entire fucking *point. Sometimes they happen to like a movie that is genuinely great (e.g. The Godfather), but that's just fortuitous happenstance.
 

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Since it launched, I never really regarded Amanda Dobbins as anything worse than my least favorite half of "The Big Picture" -- undoubtedly knowledgable about film and capable of putting a really good sentence together, but I didn't learn nearly as much from her as I did from Fennessey, and she ruined a lot of the "Rewatchables" podcasts she guested on. I just figured I didn't agree with her perspective, and was concerned maybe I was unconsciously giving her short shrift because she was a woman. I mean, I think I'm aware of shortcomings like that, but sometimes you don't see it in yourself.

After reading a lot of the recent posts, and listening to the last few "Big Pictures", I'm rethinking my take. She really does just suck.

A long rant she gave today about "Wonder Woman 84" set me off. Dobbins was generally kind to the film in her initial review, while taking care to let the audience know she really doesn't give a shit about superhero movies, but she was trying to talk down to that audience. Today, Fennessey relitigated the movie (which he also went pretty easy on), and confessed to having second thoughts in light of the overwhelming criticism the film received in social media, and wondered aloud about how he ought to ingest that into his take on the movie. Dobbins chimed in by saying she's been too busy to be on social media for the last week, but for those who were and felt obliged to criticize the film, she just felt sorry for them that they didn't like the movie and didn't have anything better to do than complain.

Then, after Fennessey gave a passionate and enthusiastic thumbs up to "Soul", Dobbins responded that it wasn't as good as "Inside Out" and was one of 3-4 animated films that she likes.

So, she hates broad swaths of film, and hates the audience. Sounds like fun.

The podcast definitely does need a woman's perspective. I don't know who that woman is, but I wish it weren't Dobbins.
 

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This talk on The Big Picture got me to throw on an episode to give it a shot based on the discussion here.

This is tough man. I love me some film talk, I am a patron to a few of these folks and watching Youtube videos of some other ones. We're like eight minutes in and we've already blamed social media and film twitter that hasn't been looked at for WW84 criticism, Amanda Dobbins' dad's feelings on the Eagles, and so many mentions of Zoom Christmas calls. What the heck is happening here? Fennessey just said basically "how does Rotten Tomatoes work"? What? How do TWO hosts of a film podcast (Dobbins refused to research it either) not know how Rotten Tomatoes, easily the most important aggregator of film criticism at this point. That is like, bottom level info every pop culture critic who discusses movies semi-regularly should know. I'll edit this as I go along but why would you get these folks to do a movies podcast? There's SO MUCH [citation needed] on all of this. Makes Simmons talking baseball feel like Keith Law.

Edit1: Dobbins hasn't seen the Mandalorian. Like...okay. But, pop culture features editor. That kind of feels like necessary viewing to me in 2020, especially if you do a film podcast and Star Wars is a thing.
Edit2: A discussion on the quality of a movie about how people take certain criticisms too seriously is a take followed by Dobbins liking the sociocultural criticism as a great point...and then saying "if we have to take these movies seriously...".
Edit3: It almost feels like they're...inventing criticism at this point. Like the things they're discussing are real but don't seem to be in the Top 5-10 criticisms of the film (beyond the length of the film). This is a weird discussion. I don't think many people really comparing WW84 to Endgame beyond both being long movies, especially when you have a Marvel, woman-led superhero movie set in the recent past that also came out last year...(just came up now as well as...Hellboy. OK).
Edit4: She turned off the movie without watching for a stinger and didn't know it was on the run-through? Like, it was early in the credits and it's a 2000s superhero movie. Really?
Edit5: No one ever sticks the landing...(examples)...well didn't they hate the woman character? I think I'm done with this. You guys have some patience for this.
 
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