The Politics of being J.D.

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drbretto

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Based on that tweet, it would appear that JD Martinez leans a little bit to the right. It's pretty obviously not a pro Hitler tweet. it's a low key pro gun tweet made when he was 25 years old.

But the world is crazy now, so it wouldn't surprise me if people overreact to it.
 

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This is "news" worthy? Is there a more despised profession in the world than the media?
 

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That’s reprehensible reporting on the story. Full fledged tabloid hatchet job. Those are two of the oldest gun control and welfare-state talking points known to humynkind. If using them to make important underlying points about gun control and fiscal policy makes JD Martinez a bad person, then we truly have extinguished debate in this country.
 

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Hitler thing is dumb and a non-story. It's also very stupid.

Calling Obama voters unemployed is semi-racist and also stupid. So, he's a jackass with possible Trumpisms. Now I'll dislike him more when he's winning games against the Yankees
 

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Word. There has been a general agreement to not talk about politics on the Main Board.

The idea that we should NOT talk about the Red Sox and its players on the Main Board over politics is asinine--and is itself actually an example of politics infecting the Main Board.

We should be able to keep it to JDM and not go meta, eh?
 

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I don’t know, but he’ll have some quiet time to think about it.
Why? This controversy is the non-issue of all non-issues. A New York paper is trolling you, and you're banning the guy that's calling it out? Why?

That article was a hack job. Didn't calling out hacks in the media used to be a SoSH staple?
 

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Why? This controversy is the non-issue of all non-issues. A New York paper is trolling you, and you're banning the guy that's calling it out? Why?

That article was a hack job. Didn't calling out hacks in the media used to be a SoSH staple?
He doesn't agree with the consensus politics of the board, that's why.
 

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He doesn't agree with the consensus politics of the board, that's why.
Weird. It's almost like the reason people are sick of v+n taking over every thread is because some people can't have a rational conversation when politics are involved anymore, so it derails and ruins every thread it comes across, ultimately culminating with a victory by mass bullying, rather than that conveniently easy to argue theory up thread that was worth about the bail of hay it was built out of. Maybe we weren't being meta enough.
 

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I guess it's worth pointing out that when you post something to a public forum, it becomes public record.

Should be 101 for every public figure but somehow it isn't.
 

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Hitler is always toxic, but some people blindlessly retweet dumb memes their friends post. That one is wrong, but almost, kind of understandable, especially if you believe Hitler actually said it. (He didn't).

But the Obama voters one is worse to me. J.D. not only posts it but says "Love it!" I'm white and I think that's offensive. I can only imagine what Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr. and David Price think of it.
 
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Hitler is always toxic, but some people blindlessly retweet dumb memes their friends post. That one is wrong, but almost, kind of understandable, especially if you believe Hitler actually said it. (He didn't).

But the Obama voters one is worse to me. J.D. not only posts it but says "Love it!" I'm white and I think that's offensive. I can only imagine what Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr. and David Price think of it.
Yea, that retweet is pretty racist, no two ways about it... And really hard to defend. Color me disappointed.
 

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Why? This controversy is the non-issue of all non-issues. A New York paper is trolling you, and you're banning the guy that's calling it out? Why?

That article was a hack job. Didn't calling out hacks in the media used to be a SoSH staple?
Ditto. Even if you hate Martinez’s politics in those 2 posts, the Daily Tabloid News twisted them beyond recognition and made it sound in the headline like Martinez made a pro-Hilter post. That reporter should be the one banned.
 

Plympton91

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Hitler is always toxic, but some people blindlessly retweet dumb memes their friends post. That one is wrong, but almost, kind of understandable, especially if you believe Hitler actually said it. (He didn't).

But the Obama voters one is worse to me. J.D. not only posts it but says "Love it!" I'm white and I think that's offensive. I can only imagine what Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr. and David Price think of it.

Equating unemployment with being African American is also racist, isn’t it? Thankfully, minority unemployment is also near all time lows.

The meme doesn’t have any racial tinge to it at all. Dems favor a somewhat larger safety net than republicans. Thus, people dependent on the safety net vote Dem. Duh.

Yet, the posters here are reading race into it.

Only a dog can hear a dog whistle.
 

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WTF are you talking about? The above was all WELL in the past


Edit: Nice edit, dbecks. Too bad I got this in before you changed it
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I still don't understand why the writer got banned Maufman. He was calling out the Daily News writer. He did not use offensive language or swear in his post. What rules did he violate?
 
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I still don't understand why the writer got banned Maufman. He was calling out the Daily News writer. He did not use offensive language or swear in his post. What rules did he violate?
I unhid the post. I trust it will now be clear why Petey got a break. (Hint: it had nothing to do with politics.)

Any further discussion of the mod decision needs to go in Backwash, not here.
 

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NY Daily News is hitting Martinez hard today for posting a photo of Hitler along with the text "To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens" to Instagram in 2005.

He also posted in 2012 a quite racist meme about Obama voters all being unemployed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ny-sports-martinez-instagram-20180827-story.html

Curious to see what happens here.
I would agree with others that the article is a hatchet job. Whether or not you believe there is subtle racism at work in the election meme (I think there is, but reasonable opinion can differ), we should be able to distinguish between that and the overt racist language used in the other recent controversies mentioned in the article. The author is drawing a false equivalency in a cheap attempt to get MFY fans worked up into a lather.
 

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NY Daily news is a newspaper known for blatant political bias, and the market value reflects the corrosive effect of the leftward, activist turn. Sold in 2017 for $1, it's value continues to fall.

This hit piece is typical of the failing activist media and unworthy of further consideration.
 

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Moved from the JD Triple Crown Thread because... J.D.'s politics (however one feels about it) has zero to do with his baseball hitting abilities.

Please, I implore you, start new topics. Seriously. START NEW TOPICS.

Thank you.
 

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I never intended to create a thread because I didn't believe this is a big story. I was merely posting because I was (and am) curious if there will be any MLB repercussions or team acknowledgement and felt we should know what is being reported in a newspaper about our players, regardless of the news source or its leanings.
 
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I'm disappointed that JD has these views but the "what if the Jews had guns" debate is nothing new. Even my Dad thought it would have prevented the murders in Germany and cited a story where there was an armed Jew who was able to kill a few Nazis. However, having assault weapons didn't help Usay and Qusay Hussein and it wouldn't have helped Germany's Jews as the military has artillery, tanks and grenades.

And, of course, the U.S. is not going to be rounding up people to murder them anytime soon.
 

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"So, he's a jackass with possible Trumpisms. Now I'll dislike him more when he's winning games against the Yankees."

Well, I think you are a jackass, but let's try to keep the name calling at a minimum.

This is what took the discussion off the rails and I suspect why the writer was (temporarily) banned. The first reference was to JD and the article, arguably on point. The rejoinder was just a nasty ad hominem crack, particularly from a new poster.

As Cuzitt said, can we now get back to baseball?
 

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Maybe this post is a touch too V&N, but don't these social media posts reflect pretty widespread, standard views among Republicans? Especially circa 2012? I don't see how this is a story.

The Hitler/gun rights tweet is somewhere between factually mistaken and interpretively misguided, but whatever. It's hardly a crime to project your political desires onto WW II. This is far milder than the NRA's view.

The 2012 meme is discernibly racist, but seems tame in retrospect. It is a spinoff of the 47% meme that was huge in GOP circles back then — i.e. an explicitly elitist politics that aligned the GOP and its voters with productive employment and portrayed Democratic voters as moochers and freeloaders. The "47%" of taxpayers who pay no Federal Income Tax are a real thing; less so now. About half of this group were retirees; most the rest of them were low-income workers who benefited from the EITC, but still paid other federal taxes on income that have names other than the Federal Income Tax — things like payroll taxes.

The racism comes from the implicit association of this group with POC. But still, these days you can hear worse on cable news, nightly — worse in the sense that we've mostly shed the one-step remove from explicit racial grievance.

So this was mainstream political discourse pre-Trump. You might recall that Mitt Romney invoked this meme at a fundraiser, which was taped by a waiter, prompting a somewhat-confusing scandal — hadn't this been the explicit theme of right-wing criticism of Occupy? — which contributed to sinking his candidacy.

Basically, JDM has just been outed as having been a Republican, along with 30 million of his closest friends.

*yawn*
 

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Hitler thing is dumb and a non-story. It's also very stupid.

Calling Obama voters unemployed is semi-racist and also stupid. So, he's a jackass with possible Trumpisms. Now I'll dislike him more when he's winning games against the Yankees
I find them both to be pretty fucking offensive (and stupid). He should have to answer for them and he deserves whatever shit gets tossed his way.
 

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Neither of these strike me as all that bad. The 2012 Obama one is fairly mild in my opinion and considering some of the shit we find in today’s political discourse, I wouldn’t say racist. Ignorant, perhaps, but not bigoted. The Hitler photo and caption is pretty standard in pro-gun circles and has been around forever. Anything Hitler related is definitely going to illicit a reaction but at the end of the day it’s just a pro-gun post which isn’t exactly abnormal in this country. That’s my two cents anyway.
 

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I fall on the opposite side of JD's political spectrum but agree this is quite a non-story. Guess what, a lot of right-wingers won't like football players kneeling or LeBron wearing his protest shirts during basketball pregame, and a lot of left-wingers are going to get up in arms about these memes from JD. Rinse and repeat. If JD is as highly respected by his teammates who come from all different backgrounds and views as it sounds like, who cares his political beliefs as far as my enjoyment of his ballplaying?
 

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Put me squarely in the nothing to see here, other than the media digging through old social media posts in an attempt to stir up controversy. Last I checked, JD is not currently running for office, so his political views are a non-issue.
 

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You clicked on a thread with politics in the title and now you complain about the content of the thread? There's a simple solution to your problem.
I can't remember the last authentic case of lurker entitlement that we've seen that was so pronounced.

Quick! Catch him! We need to do studies. We must learn more about why he does lurk here, the better to cater to the needs of him and other lurkers like him.
 

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So, if the media wants to get into it with JDM over this, will it affect his play more or less than David Price's?

Because that would be totally cool with me.
 

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I find them both to be pretty fucking offensive (and stupid). He should have to answer for them and he deserves whatever shit gets tossed his way.
I guess if I agree with what you wrote and say so, I am guilty of what @absintheofmalaise called out above? I think it's appropriate that we know the views of these players when they might have an impact on their relations with members of their team. The characterization of Obama supporters as non-productive might cast a pall on his friendships with his co-players. I reckon he is busy mending fences now. I get that it was 6 years ago, but if any remnants of those attitudes remain, I think fans have a right to have heard about it, and I know I wouldn't have if it weren't for this thread.
 

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I guess if I agree with what you wrote and say so, I am guilty of what @absintheofmalaise called out above? I think it's appropriate that we know the views of these players when they might have an impact on their relations with members of their team. The characterization of Obama supporters as non-productive might cast a pall on his friendships with his co-players. I reckon he is busy mending fences now. I get that it was 6 years ago, but if any remnants of those attitudes remain, I think fans have a right to have heard about it, and I know I wouldn't have if it weren't for this thread.
Baseball players as a whole seem to be a pretty conservative bunch. I doubt it’s led to too much animosity in the clubhouse.
 

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I guess if I agree with what you wrote and say so, I am guilty of what @absintheofmalaise called out above? I think it's appropriate that we know the views of these players when they might have an impact on their relations with members of their team. The characterization of Obama supporters as non-productive might cast a pall on his friendships with his co-players. I reckon he is busy mending fences now. I get that it was 6 years ago, but if any remnants of those attitudes remain, I think fans have a right to have heard about it, and I know I wouldn't have if it weren't for this thread.
That's sort of the extent of my concern. 99% of the time that I like or dislike a player, its because of the way he plays.
But, like most things, its complicated. Maybe he is an ignorant racist. But maybe he visits more children in the hospital of all colors and nationalities than any player in history. And maybe he'll win the Triple Crown.
He said what he said. Others will say things in response. In the big picture, it probably wont amount to anything. But I think its fair game to call him to account.
 

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So, if the media wants to get into it with JDM over this, will it affect his play more or less than David Price's?

Because that would be totally cool with me.
Seriously tho, the media was ready to pounce when JDM didn’t hit any home runs in spring training or the first week or two (even as they were winning). Shaughnessy probably had three or four columns completely in the can (sample headline: “$105M Doesn’t But What It Used To”) by the time the power surge started and never stopped.

Anyway, notwithstanding the cheap shots in the article, this is JDM’s first bump, he’ll have to answer for some of it and it will be interesting to see how he handles it.
 

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Seriously tho, the media was ready to pounce when JDM didn’t hit any home runs in spring training or the first week or two (even as they were winning). Shaughnessy probably had three or four columns completely in the can (sample headline: “$105M Doesn’t But What It Used To”) by the time the power surge started and never stopped.

Anyway, notwithstanding the cheap shots in the article, this is JDM’s first bump, he’ll have to answer for some of it and it will be interesting to see how he handles it.
And if I understand Cora, if he answers for it well, we'll never hear about it, because it'll be too the team and it'll be done.

Which is why we should expect the local media to have their ears to the ground looking for any rumbles and grumbles about this. Because hey, maybe it doesn't go well and JoKe turns into a huge green rage beast or something. But I trust Cora to handle that too.
 

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Very disappointing. Hopefully he has seen the error of his views as he’s matured. As another poster pointed out at least he didn’t go full Schilling.
 

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Is it really all that shocking that a Cuban American would be a republican?
 

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Is it really all that shocking that a Cuban American would be a republican?
Not at all. Or that a multimillionaire would be either. But this is not about whether he goes R or D. Its about two expressions of his beliefs that, IMO, are quite offensive.
 

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Yeah, both of these seem like pretty mainstream conservative republican views: staunch second amendment/anti-gun control, and fiscally conservative, anti-safety net. Positions I don't agree with , but I think it's a big reach to label either racist or hate speech. Dumb use of the Hitler meme, which has been largely de-bunked, to be sure. Beyond that, this feels like it's mostly a nothingburger, forgotten by the weekend.
 
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